Toyota Supra (A90)

[Eunos_Cosmo]

The thing about the LFA is that it really was much greater than the sum of its parts. It wasn't designed to be the fastest, but rather it was designed to look and feel special. On that front, I think it succeeded. It's also worth noting that both Evo and Car and Driver put the LFA up against the 599 (In GTO and HGTE trims, respectively) and in both cases the Lexus was declared the winner.

This is essentially what I'm getting at.

My mistake on selling them all, I thought they had.

 

[McLaren]

The thing about the LFA is that it really was much greater than the sum of its parts. It wasn't designed to be the fastest, but rather it was designed to look and feel special. On that front, I think it succeeded. It's also worth noting that both Evo and Car and Driver put the LFA up against the 599 (In GTO and HGTE trims, respectively) and in both cases the Lexus was declared the winner.

By the slimmest of margins according to Car & Driver, though, because they found the LFA more exciting to drive; as I said, on its own, it's a fantastic car to drive. General use & performance were still key points for the Ferrari, which was my point, because in the market, the LFA was a tough sale against competitors. And it didn't help that Lexus was scrutinized when they originally wanted owners to lease the vehicles; if you purchased one, you'd get the title a couple years later.

I have not seen the GTO comparison, but it sounds absurd. The GTO is a completely different kind of animal that relies on driver aids to enjoy, aids that seem to undoubtedly, interfere in a pure driving experience. The other side of that sword is that you can't enjoy the car in its unassisted madness because it requires someone who knows exactly what they're doing to control a 660Hp car that was running to 60 in 3 seconds. Certain supercars are only now just touching on that.

I can see why the LFA would win in that comparison; there's none of that fuss.

 

[Taegon Lewis]

I can imagine this car being in GT300 other than GT500.

You can't have Japan's Big 3, without the Supra joining GT500.

 

[Castrol96]

You can't have Japan's Big 3, without the Supra joining GT500.

I know

 

[Tornado]

Does anyone really care that the NSX was technically slower than a Ferrari 348 in 2017?

That's a strange example to use as a comparison, since it wasn't.

 

[SagarisGTB]

My mistake on selling them all, I thought they had.

Whether the LFA was a sales success or not is dependent on which market you are referring to. In certain markets, demand was far greater than the allocation (Canada, Japan and Singapore are known examples of this). In the US, this was not the case, but Lexus was stubborn with regards to its commitment of selling the LFA in the US market and didn't reallocate US bound cars, hence cars sitting in US dealers for months or years.

 

[McLaren]

Here's one of the very, very few left still registered as new for sale.
http://www.baliselexus.com/VehicleDetails/new-2012-Lexus-LFA--West_Springfield-MA/2953263513

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Here's one of the very, very few left still registered as new for sale.
http://www.baliselexus.com/VehicleDetails/new-2012-Lexus-LFA--West_Springfield-MA/2953263513

What's worst is it's one of the more rare Nurburgring variants that you'd have expected to all have sold out because of rarity alone.

 

[McLaren]

What's worst is it's one of the more rare Nurburgring variants that you'd have expected to all have sold out because of rarity alone.

I'll have to check work tomorrow, but I think they have another Nurburgring listed as still new elsewhere.

 

[Beeblebrox237]

By the slimmest of margins according to Car & Driver, though, because they found the LFA more exciting to drive; as I said, on its own, it's a fantastic car to drive. General use & performance were still key points for the Ferrari, which was my point, because in the market, the LFA was a tough sale against competitors. And it didn't help that Lexus was scrutinized when they originally wanted owners to lease the vehicles; if you purchased one, you'd get the title a couple years later.

I have not seen the GTO comparison, but it sounds absurd. The GTO is a completely different kind of animal that relies on driver aids to enjoy, aids that seem to undoubtedly, interfere in a pure driving experience. The other side of that sword is that you can't enjoy the car in its unassisted madness because it requires someone who knows exactly what they're doing to control a 660Hp car that was running to 60 in 3 seconds. Certain supercars are only now just touching on that.

I can see why the LFA would win in that comparison; there's none of that fuss.

Valid points indeed, and I agree that the 599 is a better car for daily use. That said, to echo what @SagarisGTB stated, I suspect that the demand in certain markets would have allowed higher production/allocation, and it just so happens that the American market didn't receive it as warmly as expected. However, I believe the original point was that the LFA proved that Toyota as a company has the ability to create a great driver's car which is truly world class, and hence the new Supra has the potential to be very good indeed.

I for one agree that the ability is there and I definitely agree that the LFA was an incredible driver's car and one that was special and unique. Whether that ability is shown in the new Supra, however, is yet to be seen. I'm hopeful it will be an excellent car and the fact that the 86 family stuck so resolutely to its mission of simple driving pleasure is, to me, a better indication of Toyota's ability to commit to building a fun car and deliver on that promise.

 

[05XR8]

I'm glad they're putting it out there. Just make the S-FR next.

 

[Castrol96]

According to the test mule, this is what I can uncover.

Sorry, my editing skills aren't professional.

I do hope there is more to the design, looks nice but way too toned down almost dated. I'm working on more...

 

[Taegon Lewis]

According to the test mule, this is what I can uncover.

Sorry, my editing skills aren't professional.

I do hope there is more to the design, looks nice but way too toned down almost dated. I'm working on more...

Good render, just missing the A80's (MKIV) trademark spoiler.

 

[Castrol96]

Good render, just missing the A80's (MKIV) trademark spoiler.

I made that; forgot to paste it in lol. I'll add it.

EDIT

 

[Taegon Lewis]

I made that; forgot to paste it in lol. I'll add it.

EDIT

Now,THAT!...is a Supra. Great job!

 

[05XR8]

Missing the rear quarter windows.

 

[Castrol96]

Missing the rear quarter windows.

I know, it's a very rough render example. It's missing quite a lot of features but I'm working on a better one.

 

[GTboyz]

Dear lord, I hope those wheels are just placeholders.

 

[05XR8]

AMG is looking to develop a straight six for the E class. Maybe, at some point, a BMW straight six could see its way into the Supra.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Maybe, at some point, a BMW straight six could see its way into the Supra.

I'd be surprised if the J29 Supra didn't launch with the same engines as the G29 Z4, which I'm sure will be getting an I6 in the form of the Z4 M40i, I think a version of the B58B3O0 in the Supra is inevitable.

Took these photographs outside BMW Group FIZ in Munich.

Supra, Spy Shot
Supra, Spy Shot
Supra, Spy Shot
Supra, Spy Shot
Supra, Spy Shot
Supra, Spy Shot

 

[TheCracker]

Looking more and more like a Mitsubishi Eclipse.

 

[05XR8]

I feel its going to be a good package. Yazoo putting their stamp on it, will make it a fantastic drive.

It'll look good.

 

[MisterWaffles]

The more prototypes we see, the less it looks like the FT-1.

 

[GTboyz]

I hope those are placeholder wheels.

 

[GTboyz]

Here's with bigger wheels, probably the production version. Looks better imo.

 

[guywithanAE86]

Those fat rims are a good sign for sure. My only concern at this point is the front bumper. Some of those speculation renderings looked ridiculous, but there's no way they can pull off that fan/splitter only thing the FT-1 had. They need to go classy while also looking purpose built. Granted even if it does look bad the tuners should whip up some body kits so hopefully that'll sort that out.

 

[Dan]

It looks miles better with larger wheels, but some parts of the car still seem awkward. I hope it's just the camouflage distorting our view, but the fenders and hood area look very tall, while the tail section looks too narrow. If the bumps in the roof are for occupant headroom, then that interior must be extremely cramped.

My only concern at this point is the front bumper. Some of those speculation renderings looked ridiculous, but there's no way they can pull off that fan/splitter only thing the FT-1 had. They need to go classy while also looking purpose built. Granted even if it does look bad the tuners should whip up some body kits so hopefully that'll sort that out.

In my opinion, you shouldn't have to install aftermarket parts to fix the car's appearance. It should look good to begin with.

 

[RACECAR]

Then why did the car get developed by it's F1 outfit and later seen as an LMP1 outfit, yes that Toyota GMBH. The car had a good number of parallels to derived technology from F1 and racing in general from journalist and even Toyota themselves.

So as I always thought, the LF-A was just a rebadged Toyota.

 

[bremics]

It looks like a BMW Z4 with a body kit on the front.

 

[MisterWaffles]

It looks like a BMW Z4 with a body kit on the front.

I though that's what they were going for with the new Supra. Sharing a platform with the Z4 replacement.