Turbo chargers?
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hey that was awesome.
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i take from my honda tuning magazine so i hope that help you a litle.
if you whant go this sites they have a lot of information of that.www.gr8ride.com
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i take from my honda tuning magazine so i hope that help you a litle.
ShobThaBob
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Has everyone completely ignored the fact that he's 15 right now. Personally, I dont think that ANY teenager should be given anywhere near that much power on the road. Even if they are responsible....the temptation is extraordinary. Before anyone has a car with over 200+ hp, they should learn to respect everyone else on the road. And.....yeah. Btw. Im 17...no 17 yearold should be given that much power. Unless the person in question has lived with it all his/her life.
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200+ odd horsepower is not hard to controll in a car! Have you driven an SUV? A S200? An old ****ed-up station wagon? Those have around 200 HP, and in the case of the old station wagons, aroung 350HP.
You learn to drive what you have. I am 17, have rebuilt many cars engines, have driven a durango with 270 HP, Have never had an accident, or a speeding ticket.
Don't blanket statement things.
You learn to drive what you have. I am 17, have rebuilt many cars engines, have driven a durango with 270 HP, Have never had an accident, or a speeding ticket.
Don't blanket statement things.
- 883
What? I'm sorry if I'm asking so many questions but I really want to know about all this stuff before I get the car, so I can go straight to work on it.
- 883
I'm 15 now, but when I get the car I'll be 16. I know not much of a difference, but its still a difference.
- 2,058
Ok, a leakdown test basically tells you how efficient your rings on the pistons are. They seal the piston against the side wall of the engine. If they leak excessively, you will need to get them changed. When you get this done, the shop will tell you what is in the good range.
A compression test signals wether the rings are good as well, they need to be in a certain % of each other to be considered "good enough"
If either is a failing test, you will need to rebuild before turbocharging, or you risk "blow by" which basically is your rings failing, nessecitating a rebuild as well as reboreing the engine to make the surface of the engine good again. Most people don't even bother with these tests if the car is within a couple years old.
Any older, consider it.
A compression test signals wether the rings are good as well, they need to be in a certain % of each other to be considered "good enough"
If either is a failing test, you will need to rebuild before turbocharging, or you risk "blow by" which basically is your rings failing, nessecitating a rebuild as well as reboreing the engine to make the surface of the engine good again. Most people don't even bother with these tests if the car is within a couple years old.
Any older, consider it.
- 883
I want to race. I want to be able to win races. How many PSI would I need to run at? In your oppinion of course. I know that it all depends on the other car that your racing. I just want your oppinion on this.
- 883
ohh. I meant drag.
- 883
Oh okay. A civic weighs around 3000 lbs?
Yes, I know I write too much.
Ah, the vagueness of usenet^H^H^H^H^Hweb forums. I gathered that you mean drag racing. I hope that you don't mean street drag racing. That would be "bad" (see other discussions on why). As for conventional, legal drag racing, that can be fun, but hell on your car. Constant drag launches wear down the drivetrain about as fast as Jeffrey Skilling had on Enron's stock price.
Deathawk is right: turbo's are great on the dragstrip. However, if you go regularly, this would mean a continual investment in your car as things break down...and the desire to win increases. The PSI needed to win is whatever gets you to the 1,760-foot marker first. That may be higher with a smaller displacement engine or lower with larger displacement.... There's lots of different classes in drag racing. I don't know what any of them are; I'm not a drag race kinda guy (more of a WRC/SCCA thing). Specific engine output (among other factors) will place you in one category or another. An 8psi Civic Si would do well in one of the stock car classes (and be good to drive home), while a 28psi, custom-built, tube-frame "Civic" would be more likely in the pro classes (and be unusable anywhere but the dragstrip). But try:
http://www.nhra.com
http://www.importdrag.com
http://www.nopi.com/ndra.htm
BTW, if you want to take drag racing seriously, learn how to be an excellent driver first. That means (IMO) competitive driving schools. Believe me, they're worth it. All racing is about car control. No matter what the course is, you're still inside a four-wheeled, high-speed, steel box. The more you understand the forces involved at any speed, the better (and quicker) you will get to your destination. For example:
http://www.skipbarber.com
http://www.1800bepetty.com
http://www.racingschools.com/home.shtml
Bottom line: you got $5k and you want to drag. That means not much for anything but engine goodies. Therefore, try a turbo kit (don't know any offhand) installed by a reputable shop. End result: my guess from a 2003 Civic Si is 7psi and just under 200HP. Be sure to leave room in your budget for new clutches and other transmission components after you enjoy the turbo kit on the dragstrip a few times....
Ah, the vagueness of usenet^H^H^H^H^Hweb forums. I gathered that you mean drag racing. I hope that you don't mean street drag racing. That would be "bad" (see other discussions on why). As for conventional, legal drag racing, that can be fun, but hell on your car. Constant drag launches wear down the drivetrain about as fast as Jeffrey Skilling had on Enron's stock price.
Deathawk is right: turbo's are great on the dragstrip. However, if you go regularly, this would mean a continual investment in your car as things break down...and the desire to win increases. The PSI needed to win is whatever gets you to the 1,760-foot marker first. That may be higher with a smaller displacement engine or lower with larger displacement.... There's lots of different classes in drag racing. I don't know what any of them are; I'm not a drag race kinda guy (more of a WRC/SCCA thing). Specific engine output (among other factors) will place you in one category or another. An 8psi Civic Si would do well in one of the stock car classes (and be good to drive home), while a 28psi, custom-built, tube-frame "Civic" would be more likely in the pro classes (and be unusable anywhere but the dragstrip). But try:
http://www.nhra.com
http://www.importdrag.com
http://www.nopi.com/ndra.htm
BTW, if you want to take drag racing seriously, learn how to be an excellent driver first. That means (IMO) competitive driving schools. Believe me, they're worth it. All racing is about car control. No matter what the course is, you're still inside a four-wheeled, high-speed, steel box. The more you understand the forces involved at any speed, the better (and quicker) you will get to your destination. For example:
http://www.skipbarber.com
http://www.1800bepetty.com
http://www.racingschools.com/home.shtml
Bottom line: you got $5k and you want to drag. That means not much for anything but engine goodies. Therefore, try a turbo kit (don't know any offhand) installed by a reputable shop. End result: my guess from a 2003 Civic Si is 7psi and just under 200HP. Be sure to leave room in your budget for new clutches and other transmission components after you enjoy the turbo kit on the dragstrip a few times....
- 883
Well I want to do legal drag racing, but if I'm out and somebody wants to race me, I wont back down. I know its bad
- 883
How much money do you think I need to leave in my budget?
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Your not too smart...
Not only is it bad, they have uped the charges for illegal street racing ever since the Fast and the Furious came out. My next door neighboor got fined 1000 dollars and got his licence revoked for 2 years and his car was impounded. He was doing this for the full two years...
You have to remeber that the cops are looking for customized and fast looking cars.
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Originally posted by duo17
Your not too smart...
Not only is it bad, they have uped the charges for illegal street racing ever since the Fast and the Furious came out. My next door neighboor got fined 1000 dollars and got his licence revoked for 2 years and his car was impounded. He was doing this for the full two years...
Good point. I'm a have to re-think it. I'm not going to risk losing my license, so I'm not going to street race.
Quite frankly, none of it.
You have a year or so to build up the money. You say you have $5,000 or plan to have it by the end of the year? If you already have the $5k, keep it safe. That is your turbo kit money. If you don't, then the $5k you get over the year is your turbo kit money. 
Racing is a great hobby and pasttime (street racing not included
), but it costs money to keep the car running. Think of the maintenance no longer based on mileage (as in 3000 miles between oil changes) but based on engine revolutions. The more time you engine spends at the upper limit of the rev range, the more strain that puts on your car. Drag racing keeps your engine speed quite high, quite often. Sure, this isn't as expensive as autocrossing or off-road rallying, but there's still money needed as you proceed in your racing career.Best thing? Drive to the nearest dragstrip. Watch a few races. Watch a lot of races. Talk to as many drivers and mechanics as you can. Ask them what drag racing is like. Pick their brains. Costs, fun factor, amount of work, etc.. You'll learn some interesting things, hopefully none of which will deter you from what you plan on enjoying.
Like everything else, success is never easy, and the longer the struggle, the harder you work, the better that success feels at the end.
- 883
Nothing will deter me from racing. Well atleast, I think nothing will.
- 883
Why would I do that? I really don't make fun of people unless they piss me off.
Joey D
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I see there is a lot of talk of racing here. If you want to street race go right ahead, just be prepared for a hefty fine and an impounded car. The track is a good place to race.
Turbos aren't the best for draggin cause of the lag. If you have a huge lag your 1/4's will be hurt.
Turbos aren't the best for draggin cause of the lag. If you have a huge lag your 1/4's will be hurt.
Let's not confuse the natives, now.
Turbo's are good for drag racing. Let's say you're using a N/A Integra, redline somewhere above 7000rpm, peak torque around 5500rpm. Not too far from reality, right? So instead of spending money on the various N/A modifications, let's substitute a good turbo setup -- for the same money. Boost on this turbo probably won't be any higher than 4000rpm. In this example, I don't think you can find a N/A setup that would outdo -- produce higher output -- than a same-priced turbo setup.Think about it: If your engine isn't revving to it's peak at all times down the track, you're not doing well. Therefore, since turbos work better with higher RPM's, boost is not an issue. And therefore, a turbo will be a bigger bang-for-the-buck than N/A.
On the dragstrip, at least.
- 883
When installing a turbo:
Is this something I can do myself? Or do I need to get a shop to do it for me?
How long will it take for me to do it? (If I can)
Is this something I can do myself? Or do I need to get a shop to do it for me?
How long will it take for me to do it? (If I can)
If you have a history of working with cars, then you could give it a shot. But if you never changed your own oil, your own air filter, or never even did a single aftermarket bolt-on, then I think you should find a good auto shop. It will cost more, but the peace of mind is worth it.
For yourself, without a large set of tools (another requirement), it could take weeks. For a shop, the average turbo kit should take about two days: one to install, one to test & debug.
Think about it: unless this is already a turbo engine, you're re-routing the intake and exhaust, adding & moving a few sensors, you might have to replace the exhaust manifold (depends on the kit you buy)...it's a lot of stuff going on. Even installing the turbo itself can be tricky, trying not only to wiggle the components in & out, but making sure they join correctly. And having the metalshop to fix it if they don't fit. :-/
