Ultima do it again!

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Guess I'm just odd, as I find the 599 GTB to be a gorgeous car.

As for the modern day Cobra, I was more referring to taking a stupidly large american V-8 and stuffing it into a little british built chassis.

TVR's don't count, as they don't really use anything larger than 5.0 Liters besides the Speed 12, and they get/build their own engines.
 
So, the vast majority of Cobra models didn't use anything bigger than 5.0 liters either, and I don't think that building your own engine would have anything to do with it being or not being a modern day Cobra? But for arguments sake, the Griffith as an example perfectly fit's the definition of a modern Cobra, another manufacturers V8 engine stuffed into the front of a very light weight British car.
 
Yes, the Griffith fit well, do they still make them?

As for why I think the Ultima fits the bill better, well...the Cobra was always a giant beater, one of the fastest cars around for a lot less money than it would take to get it's competitor, and it too held the 0-100-0 for a long time. TVR's are sexy, but they aren't the giant beaters that Ultima's are.
 
Yes they are, A 720Bhp Ultima should be up there with the Zonda F and MC12, a 400bhp Sagaris shouldn't be up there with the Koenigsegg CC8S and Zonda C12S, but it is. The 50 grand, 400bhp Sagaris can lap a track in a similar time to a Koenigsegg and a Pagani. I guess we just see it a little differently.
 
I think we're not seeing the same things here.

The Ultima is basically a Kit car, just like the Cobra is now, its a little, light body, with as big of an engine as you can fit into it.

TVR's are more or less purpose built to be as close to a racecar as a roadcar should get.

I would imagine an Ultima should be running a little bit quicker around a track than a Zonda or Koenigsigg, but technically the car shouldn't even be legal to drive, but the main thing that draws my mind to the Cobra comparison is that 0-100-0, which the Cobra held for years and years and years.

How much does an Ultima cost over there? Can you get a TVR for the same money that will perform as well?
 
Another very impressive run from the Ultima, but it better watch out for competition from the Caparo T1. 0-100 is claimed to be under 5 seconds and it can apparently achieve 3+ G under brakes (though I imagine that figure is from high speed (it creates more than its own bodyweight above 150mph)). It also weighs considerably less than this Ultima (at less than 500 kilos).
 
If only more exotic car manufacturers could build their supercars that could actually challenge the Ultima GTR...

But then again, wait till the Caparo T1 hits the track...
 
amp88
Another very impressive run from the Ultima, but it better watch out for competition from the Caparo T1. 0-100 is claimed to be under 5 seconds and it can apparently achieve 3+ G under brakes (though I imagine that figure is from high speed (it creates more than its own bodyweight above 150mph)). It also weighs considerably less than this Ultima (at less than 500 kilos).
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When I hear that, I can't imagine what your body must feel like on the acceleration and deacceleration.
Hell, flooring a Lamborghini slams you back and that just does 60 in 3.4 seconds. I can't imagine a second quicker!:crazy:
 
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If only more exotic car manufacturers could build their supercars that could actually challenge the Ultima GTR...

But then again, wait till the Caparo T1 hits the track...
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I'm not really bothered that they can't, they don't really try to, the Ultima is so uincompromised I'd think that for anyone to buy one they'd never use it for anything but track runs, it won't be a pleasant car to drive on the road unlike say a Ford GT or Ferrar F430.
 
I dont even consider the F430 a supercar. The big manufacturers do make no frill racers, theyre called formula one cars.
 
actually your right because I forgot the ultima was road legal.

Its just that lately people have been questioning the ability of the hyper cars because so many much cheaper cars these days could run alongside them or just behind.
 
The Ultima is the sam type of car as the Radical and the JP1, only with a roof, none of thoes cars are any good on normal roads, only the race track. People who say Ferrari is crap because the Ultima can go faster for less are usually kids who are a long way from driving themselves, you show me a professional magazine review where a car like a Ferrari, Porsche or Lamborghini ever gets criticised for not being as fast as an Ultima or a Radical etc and I doubt you could find one. There's many more reasons to buy a car, even a supercar than outright track performance, people who don't drinve don't always realise this.
 
iceburns288
Let's use a car manufacturer as an accurate interpretation as the usability of their product, shall we? ;)

I know two guys with Ultimas. They use them only for the track. Guess what they drive daily? Ferraris.:)
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The car was driven 7000 miles across the US. I don't care who was driving it. I doubt some of the captions are true, "It is even fun driving in traffic." but if the car made it, I think it does alright on the road.
 
Any car like the Radical can do well on roads given the condition. The question is, would YOU really drive it everyday?
 
*McLaren*
Any car like the Radical can do well on roads given the condition. The question is, would YOU really drive it everyday?
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But the statement was, "None of thoes cars are any good on normal roads, only the race track."
From what I've seen I would even say that the car is decent on normal roads.

My real daily driver is RWD, midengined, has no power steering, no ABS, no a/c, crappy speakers (which I hardly ever use),very loud (before I replaced the exhaust seals, you had to actiually yell if you wanted the passenger to hear you from 4500-7500 RPM inside the car) stiff suspension, not much ground clearance, and a notchy transmission.
I honestly think I could survive with an Ultima as a daily driver, and when I brought it to the track on the weekends I would remeber why I put up with it during the week. If anyone wants to test this feel free to buy me an Ultima GTR. :sly:
 
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The car was driven 7000 miles across the US. I don't care who was driving it. I doubt some of the captions are true, "It is even fun driving in traffic." but if the car made it, I think it does alright on the road.
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Why's that anything special, was the car supposed to explode at 3000 miles or something? Ofcourse the car made it, my friends go-kart would make it, it'd be pretty damn crap build quality if the car died within 7000 miles of it's life don't you think, I'd be suprised if they sold even one. What counts on the roads is that after a couple of hours drive your back doesn't feel like it's been hit by a cricket bat constantly for that time, that you don't get out the car and hear all your joints crack, that the temperature in the cabin doesn't leave you soaking wet in sweat and so on, the Ultima fails as a nice car to drive on the roads. Fantastic on the track but on the roads I'd take my 1.9 diesel 306 every time. If you daily driver car is anything remotely like an Ultima or a Radical send me some pictures, if it's closer to an MR2 don't even bother replying (and to put things into perspective a Ferrari 355 is closer to an MR2 than an Ultima or Radical).
 
live4speed
What counts on the roads is that after a couple of hours drive your back doesn't feel like it's been hit by a cricket bat constantly for that time, that you don't get out the car and hear all your joints crack, that the temperature in the cabin doesn't leave you soaking wet in sweat and so on, the Ultima fails as a nice car to drive on the roads. Fantastic on the track but on the roads I'd take my 1.9 diesel 306 every time.
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I think your just a wimp. :P I'm kidding, so don't get upset. I never said you were wrong, so I don't see why you seem to be getting angry.

Your post made it sound like the Ultima completely was unusable on roads. I think if you took it for a cruise or on a canyon run every once in awhile it would be awesome. Sure, it's not an ideal daily driver and you could never use it's full potential unless you took to the track but you cant say it isn't any good at all on the road.

And I don't care what you think of it, as I'm sure you wouldn't care much about what I think of 306's but I do drive an MR2.
 
I'm not angry, nor am I getting angry, it is however gone 1am where I am so it might just be that I'm tired I was a bit more blunt than normal in my post. The point isn't to make you care about what I think, but to point out the fact that there is a huge gulf in road performance between supercars (Ferrari F430, Ford GT, Lamborghini Murcielago, Pagani Zonda etc) and high powered track day cars, because that's all the Ultima is, a track day car. Sure for half an hour every now and then it might not be too bad but it's not a comfey car, it's not a pleasent car to be in, it rattles, it shakes, it's hot inside, it's a hell of a lot louder than any MR2. You can use an Ultima on the roads, but why would you want to. If you can live with one that's fine, but at the end of the day you'd have a choice of driving on the road in no comfort in your Ultima, or driving on the road in relative luxury in your MR2. You can't use any car to it's full potential on the roads, no modern car I can think of anyway, I can't use my 306 to it's full potential, well I could but that'd mean putting myself and other people at a higher risk than the law allows, I might be okay with the myself part, but not other people which is why I'd only ever explore a cars limits or try to explot it's limits, because I doubt I could get the most out of any car, far from it.
 
He has a point, an Ultima, a Mosler, a Radical, even a Caterham...you can drive them around day to day.

Odds are, you would regret doing so shortly.
 
live4speed
Sure for half an hour every now and then it might not be too bad but it's not a comfey car
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Thats all I was really trying to get at, it would be fun if you were in the mood to go on a cruise with a little spirited driving.

live4speed
It's not a pleasent car to be in, it rattles, it shakes, it's hot inside, it's a hell of a lot louder than any MR2. You can use an Ultima on the roads, but why would you want to. If you can live with one that's fine, but at the end of the day you'd have a choice of driving on the road in no comfort in your Ultima, or driving on the road in relative luxury in your MR2.
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I drive my parents 06 Subaru Outback occasionally when I'm doing some work on my MR2. It's automatic, smooth ride, has heated leather seats, lots of room, nice speakers, It's very quiet no squeaks, or rattles, etc.. It's not top of the line or anything but most people would call it luxury, but I get bored as hell driving it.
I love my MR2 because it's less refined, loud, shakes a bit, and you get a much better feel when driving it. I do understand that a supercharged mr2 is pretty far off from an Ultima, but I was just using it as an example. I perfer cars that have less luxuries and are more fun to drive which is why I don't think I would mind driving a GTR on the road as much as other people.
 
^^ I dont think most people here can appreciate just how jarring a ride in the Ultimate would be, it has been built only for one purpose, and that is to blitz it around track, and then be able to be driven home without the need of a trailer.

Ive never seen one radical on the UK roads, but ive seen plenty nobles and TVR's in comparison.
 
Yes, both of which can be more comfortable. I've sat in a Noble. It's not bad. The seat's nice enough to let you drive comfortably around the track, and to get home, though it's by no means luxury.
 
Yes, the RS200EVo hasn't been the fastest 0-60 car for quite some time, since the twin engined Tiger beat it a number of years ago, since then it's been beaten by the Ultima GTR640 and the Veyron.
 
Modded car's come under a different category an record to factory built car's
 
Yup, if you wanna talk modified car 0-60 times I think the record is like 1.3 seconds?

1.6? I know the LPE 427TT did like a 1.9 on "cheater" slicks.
 

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