University fees have increased

[lpb-nissan-gt-r]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/dec/09/tuition-fees-vote-government-wins-narrow-victory
Kind of sucks if I can get into university I will never be able to afford it, or be landed in about 10 years worth of debt. So any plans to combat this?
I am thinking studying abroad may be a better option but may be just as hard to do.
discuss your opinions.

 

[Aldo]

I'm not going to say anything...
But I'm sure you will understand when you look at my location...

 

[lpb-nissan-gt-r]

Oh yeah my Scottish Sociology teacher was telling me that you are educated up to university level for free IIRC. so its not as bad for you then

 

[Aldo]

That was kinda my point but y'know
They will probably make us start paying sometime soon.
I certainly wouldn't put it past the current government...

 

[Azuremen]

Welcome to inflation.

Dang. Funny how that works.

But it is okay, you're the UK, I'm sure the government will find a way to reduce everything to the lowest common denominator for the "common" good.

And only 10 years of debt? Can someone find that figure for when medical doctor's finally break even?

 

[PeterJB]

Apparantely because I'm in the bottom 25% income bracket I avoid having to pay the extra fees. Plus I'm applying a year later than everyone else when they'll be considerably less competition.

 

[lbsf1]

Man that sucks, our school did a protest. Nick Clegg made promises to do anything he can to stop this and then as soon as he was deputy prime minister this went straight out of the window. My favourite quote from this is David Camerons, "These rises will be better for everyone....... only the rich will pay more" Most of my mates who were thinking of going to uni now won't be able to afford it. The money they are saving from this is 1 third of the forgein aid budget, why couldn't they cut that instead?

 

[Aldo]

Man that sucks, our school did a protest. Nick Clegg made promises to do anything he can to stop this and then as soon as he was deputy prime minister this went straight out of the window.

Yeah, he is a spineless 🤬 isn't he? 👎
He has literally not done anything he has said he would do and is basically Big Dave's bitch.

 

[PeterJB]

This country is becoming increasingly capitalist as time goes on.

 

[Razgriz_2142]

im fairly lucky im up here in scotland SAAS pay for our tuition but i can see where other students are coming from.

A lot of students i know voted lib dem and basically they have been slapped in the face which doesnt help.Still it shows typical tory behaviour they might claim they are there for the working man but only care bout middle england and the upper class and/or daily mail readers.

 

[Aldo]

im fairly lucky im up here in scotland SAAS pay for our tuition .

 

[Razgriz_2142]

and you stay just up the back of me im down in sunny old bo'ness literally stuck here cause buses refuse to come into the housing estates

But i am glad i am only at Falkirk for college lol even tho their SU had organised to go down but it got pulled from what i heard.

 

[Azuremen]

This country is becoming increasingly capitalist as time goes on.

I fail to see how your government making tuition fees higher is a sign of capitalism...

Perhaps maybe if all the colleges and such were privatized, that would make more sense.

Of course, you also make it sound as if capitalism is a bad thing. But worry not, your government is completely content to control and regulate everything for the "greater" good of its citizens.

 

[Aldo]

and you stay just up the back of me im down in sunny old bo'ness literally stuck here cause buses refuse to come into the housing estates

But i am glad i am only at Falkirk for college lol even tho their SU had organised to go down but it got pulled from what i heard.

Ahh cool.
Yeah I had to walk like 2.5 miles to school when it was -10C yesterday as the buses weren't running
Oh and welcome to the Forums btw 👍

 

[Razgriz_2142]

I fail to see how your government making tuition fees higher is a sign of capitalism...

Perhaps maybe if all the colleges and such were privatized, that would make more sense.
Of course, you also make it sound as if capitalism is a bad thing. But worry not, your government is completely content to control and regulate everything for the "greater" good of its citizens.

Then the working class are literally kept working class and the rich will essentially get richer as uni becomes more inaccesable to the lower classes.

The last thing i want as a student (at college doing HND) look at the prospect of having even more debt im 2.5k in debt by the end of a 2 year course not very good prospect in the current situation with jobs.

Tory's only care bout 1 thing and thats the upper class and the daily mail reader who things everything non british is a sign of the devil..

@aldo i feel your pain i had to walk bout 3miles from my house to the shunk on Saturday and Sunday :'( would have rather been dead come Sunday night lol thank god i booked a taxi this weekend.And thanks for the welcome

 

[lbsf1]

Watching the news the police have no clue of how to contain a crowd.
They kettle thousands of teenagers together basically creating a boxing ring. They then charge horses into the crowd injuring many protestors.

Teenagers will want to fight, its hormonal, so sending thousands of riot police in is what is causing the violence, leaving them alone would be best because then who could they fight against??

 

[Razgriz_2142]

Watching the news the police have no clue of how to contain a crowd.
They kettle thousands of teenagers together basically creating a boxing ring. They then charge horses into the crowd injuring many protestors.

Teenagers will want to fight, its hormonal, so sending thousands of riot police in is what is causing the violence, leaving them alone would be best because then who could they fight against??

they could fight the windows.I was gonna go to the NUS one in Edinburgh which is basically a protest/vigil but alas transport with the weather here isnt helping me go and protest.

Feel like a fud for voting lib dem tbh....especially after they claim they stood for education and all that.

 

[lbsf1]

they could fight the windows.I was gonna go to the NUS one in Edinburgh which is basically a protest/vigil but alas transport with the weather here isnt helping me go and protest.

Feel like a fud for voting lib dem tbh....especially after they claim they stood for education and all that.

Teenagers will only fight if provoked, the police are proking them, if the police kept if low key then:
1. The march wouldn't get all the publicity it has got.
2. There would be less violence.

 

[Razgriz_2142]

Teenagers will only fight if provoked, the police are proking them, if the police kept if low key then:
1. The march wouldn't get all the publicity it has got.
2. There would be less violence.

thats true i know the vigil in Edinburgh haas been peaceful so far but who knows but i dont think its as high profile as London tho.

 

[Azuremen]

Then the working class are literally kept working class and the rich will essentially get richer as uni becomes more inaccesable to the lower classes.

You make it sound like poor people never take loans out to go to college. That they must instead be handed them by the government.

The last thing i want as a student (at college doing HND) look at the prospect of having even more debt im 2.5k in debt by the end of a 2 year course not very good prospect in the current situation with jobs.

2500 in debt after 2 years is a trivial sum of money compared to a 4 year university here, where tuition averages more than that per semester. I have a friend who had $100,000 in debt upon graduating with his 4 year degree.

Tory's only care bout 1 thing and thats the upper class and the daily mail reader who things everything non british is a sign of the devil..

Conversely, the lower classes only seem to care about what they can get for free by taking money from the upper classes. A sense of "well I deserve this because I can't afford it," quite a peculiar feeling of entitlement if you ask me.

 

[Philly]

Raising prices? Due to the economy being in the tank and the financial stress on students, Hope agreed to raise prices by 'only 3%' two years ago. That worked out to a $1000 per year rise.

How to combat this? Apply for scholarships. Lots of scholarships. That should help.

 

[Sage]

Yeah it's just a fact of life that you have to deal with. If you want the extra long-term financial value that a higher education gives you, then you gotta invest the money first. And I say that as someone who had to take out about $10k in loans (which isn't as much as some people, but still enough that it'll take me quite a few years to pay it off).

 

[Joel]

This country is becoming increasingly capitalist as time goes on.

And that's a bad thing?

 

[Razgriz_2142]

You make it sound like poor people never take loans out to go to college. That they must instead be handed them by the government.



2500 in debt after 2 years is a trivial sum of money compared to a 4 year university here, where tuition averages more than that per semester. I have a friend who had $100,000 in debt upon graduating with his 4 year degree.



Conversely, the lower classes only seem to care about what they can get for free by taking money from the upper classes. A sense of "well I deserve this because I can't afford it," quite a peculiar feeling of entitlement if you ask me.

Still a lot of debt im going to be in a lot more by the time i get a car and get a flat as most of the jobs of my profession has most of its money to be made in the oil and gas trade so i will have to move 150miles up north thus putting me in more debt.At our age we shouldnt be worrying bout having debt but only whats best for ourself especially when you dont have a lot of options to play with sure theres the biggest refinery in scotland on my doorstep but their job intake is extremely limited.

on top of what i've got i have a part time job aswell and i can barelt keep myself going from week to week.

A lot of lower class people here want to better themselves its pretty prevelant altho there is the select few moochers (whom i despise) and do nothing to add to society the stereotype of these people bring down the working class and awful lot imo.

The UK is an entirely diffrent beast from America in many ways.

 

[Tommi]

Watching the news the police have no clue of how to contain a crowd.
They kettle thousands of teenagers together basically creating a boxing ring. They then charge horses into the crowd injuring many protestors.

Teenagers will want to fight, its hormonal, so sending thousands of riot police in is what is causing the violence, leaving them alone would be best because then who could they fight against??

They do. The riot Police, horses and containment areas are all standard procedure when dealing with mass protests. Leaving the protestors alone would be a very bad idea.

I can understand why so many people are pissed off by the fee increases, but it's no excuse for acting like thugs. So much for 'higher education'.

 

[Azuremen]

Still a lot of debt im going to be in a lot more by the time i get a car and get a flat as most of the jobs of my profession has most of its money to be made in the oil and gas trade so i will have to move 150miles up north thus putting me in more debt.At our age we shouldnt be worrying bout having debt but only whats best for ourself especially when you dont have a lot of options to play with sure theres the biggest refinery in scotland on my doorstep but their job intake is extremely limited.

"Our" age isn't my age. And you should be worrying about what it takes to stay afloat in the real world, not what is "best yourself." Though what is best for yourself is getting an education.

on top of what i've got i have a part time job aswell and i can barelt keep myself going from week to week.

You and many other college students. Welcome to the real world. I know, weird concept over there.

A lot of lower class people here want to better themselves its pretty prevelant altho there is the select few moochers (whom i despise) and do nothing to add to society the stereotype of these people bring down the working class and awful lot imo.

So, if they want to better themselves they will put themselves in a situation to do so. The government doesn't need to hand it to them.

The UK is an entirely diffrent beast from America in many ways.

Yes. We tend to think you need to work for something a bit more than the Brits seem to.

That, and if you want to work at a place that is selective, I'd strongly suggested you make it seem like English is your first language, rather than a see of typos and grammatical errors. Or is it the cool thing now to present your thoughts on your higher education by making it look like you've received none?

 

[Razgriz_2142]

"Our" age isn't my age. And you should be worrying about what it takes to stay afloat in the real world, not what is "best yourself." Though what is best for yourself is getting an education.



You and many other college students. Welcome to the real world. I know, weird concept over there.



So, if they want to better themselves they will put themselves in a situation to do so. The government doesn't need to hand it to them.



Yes. We tend to think you need to work for something a bit more than the Brits seem to.

That, and if you want to work at a place that is selective, I'd strongly suggested you make it seem like English is your first language, rather than a see of typos and grammatical errors. Or is it the cool thing now to present your thoughts on your higher education by making it look like you've received none?

I do 3 and a half days a week at college,then at the same time i pull 5 8h shifts some weeks when i can get overtime even though i am only contracted in for 2 8h shifts so yeah...i do work for my education and enough to get me by.

Sorry but this is why i think the American system is utter bollocks and flawed in so many ways much like their health system.Tbh this matter hardly affects you, tbh your prattling on is like me trying to argue bout the current health care reforms in the US.

A massive reason the students are in such uprest about this particular subject is Lib Dems went back on A LOT of their manifesto pledges on education and literally have become the tories bitch,and as a Lib Dem voter im far from happy either, that students have been effectively hit harder than joe bloggs sitting on the dole i know there are hard working people on the dole i was there once and took the first job they gave me to tide me over till i went to college.But you get others who sit do nothing and are baby making machines and get money hand over fist..yet the government is somehow obligated to help them?

i dont get it sometimes you try better yourself in this country and you get it thrown in your face or you just end up a government education statistic.

Btw im Scottish our dialect actually can differ from region to region in the way we formulate some sentences and i dont do american words either Also im a member of the NUS aswell.

 

[Azuremen]

I do 3 and a half days a week at college,then at the same time i pull 5 8h shifts some weeks when i can get overtime even though i am only contracted in for 2 8h shifts so yeah...i do work for my education and enough to get me by.

Sorry but this is why i think the American system is utter bollocks and flawed in so many ways much like their health system.Tbh this matter hardly affects you, tbh your prattling on is like me trying to argue bout the current health care reforms in the US.

A massive reason the students are in such uprest about this particular subject is Lib Dems went back on A LOT of their manifesto pledges on education and literally have become the tories bitch,and as a Lib Dem voter im far from happy either, that students have been effectively hit harder than joe bloggs sitting on the dole i know there are hard working people on the dole i was there once and took the first job they gave me to tide me over till i went to college.But you get others who sit do nothing and are baby making machines and get money hand over fist..yet the government is somehow obligated to help them?

Sounds like you think hand outs aren't a good thing, yet you are complaining about the poor not getting hand outs.

Wut?

i dont get it sometimes you try better yourself in this country and you get it thrown in your face or you just end up a government education statistic

You mean to tell me life isn't fair? What is this madness?

Btw im Scottish our dialect actually can differ from region to region in the way we formulate some sentences and i dont do american words either Also im a member of the NUS aswell.

By the way, I don't give a damn about your dialect and most of the people here don't either. You can spell things the UK English way, but doesn't mean you don't have to spell, capitalize, or include some form of punctuation from time to time. National pride and what not is neat, but on an American based, English speaking forum (with an AUP on it), you might do well to present yourself in a more standard form of the language.

Just saying.

 

[Razgriz_2142]

Sounds like you think hand outs aren't a good thing, yet you are complaining about the poor not getting hand outs.

Wut?



You mean to tell me life isn't fair? What is this madness?



By the way, I don't give a damn about your dialect and most of the people here don't either. You can spell things the UK English way, but doesn't mean you don't have to spell, capitalize, or include some form of punctuation from time to time. National pride and what not is neat, but on an American based, English speaking forum (with an AUP on it), you might do well to present yourself in a more standard form of the language.Just saying.

@ bold i've never had this problem ever on any other American site whether it be IGN,Gamespot,Gamfaqs or various GTA forums anyhoo.

Also about the handouts,its more the fact people try and better themselves but dont ever see anything much in return sometimes (Lib Dems had plans to totally reform a lot of things like this if they sided with Labour these problems would not have existed and further reinforces Left should stay with the left).

If you lived here and been following whats been going on here since the tories got into power you might understand things a little more especially the feeling of resentment amongst voters who voted Lib Dem (including myself i voted them based on Education reform) they have literally given the fingers up to voters by siding with the tories which a lot of people didnt want after the 80's scathing cuts and unemployment skyrocketing and ended up causing more problems further down the line.


Also protests are aimed at a wider subject than just the fee's, theres been various programme's stopped including the building of new schools in some area's where schools are in dire need of refurbishments or replacements.But the main focus has been on the tuition fee's aswell.

Protests have been peaceful here there was a small NUS one at my college and various posters at the first round of protests in London,theres been one in Glasgow and Edinburgh today as far as i know.

Also a lot of it has become volatile purely because it scraped through with a tiny majority..much like anything tory.

 

[lpb-nissan-gt-r]

I think most of the up rage is not only the fact that the lib dems. sold out themselves in order to be in 'command' but they are not sticking to there promises, also the education system is flawed say you where born into a poor family and could not afford to go to university, most jobs nowdays require at minimum a basic degree to get you on a shortlist. so its an endless cycle unless you get lucky and have a bit of entrepreneurship to your persona, your family is going to be poor. well thats the marxist view on education who believe that the education system only are there to keep the ruling class 'on top.