University fees have increased

[PeterJB]

Why on Earth is that a reasonable proposition? Give everyone in the country a BSc./BA/BEng.? What do you think that'll do to the value of those of us that already have one?

GCSEs and A-Levels are already almost at the point where you can't fail them. Why do we need to diminish the degree too?

I never approved of it, as the universities would be full of idiots who don't want to be there. But increasing the fees only discourages people as they could potentially have a debt of £27,000 upon graduating.

 

[Joey D]

I like how in the UK when they raise tuition fees students riot, protest and even attack the prince's car. Here in the US students just take it, bitch about it mildly on facebook and that's it. Perhaps if American students stood up to the stupidly high prices of tuition then maybe something would change. I'm not saying riot on the steps of Congress, but speak up to some degree.

It was about $6,000 a semester for me to got to school, and at 3 semesters over three years that was about $54,000 not including my trip to the UK for a study abroad. I'm in well over $60k for what? A piece of paper saying I knew how to write what a professor wanted?

I don't think tuition should be free but I do think like most things in our society it should be put in check.

 

[Famine]

But increasing the fees only discourages people as they could potentially have a debt of £27,000 upon graduating.

I know of plenty of ex-medical students who'd kill for just £27,000 of debt.

Not that it is a debt, of course, since it doesn't have to be repaid, unless you're earning twice the national minimum wage (or you're twice as well off as the supposed minimum standard).

 

[Tornado]

But increasing the fees only discourages people as they could potentially have a debt of £27,000 upon graduating.

In the worst case scenario. Under the least-imposing loan terms ever conceived.

 

[ExigeEvan]

I like how in the UK when they raise tuition fees students riot, protest and even attack the prince's car. Here in the US students just take it, bitch about it mildly on facebook and that's it. Perhaps if American students stood up to the stupidly high prices of tuition then maybe something would change. I'm not saying riot on the steps of Congress, but speak up to some degree.

It was about $6,000 a semester for me to got to school, and at 3 semesters over three years that was about $54,000 not including my trip to the UK for a study abroad. I'm in well over $60k for what? A piece of paper saying I knew how to write what a professor wanted?

I don't think tuition should be free but I do think like most things in our society it should be put in check.

But that's just the downside of capitalism (I think that's the right angle) in America. Anyone in America who is highly qualified and needed can charge whatever they like for their time, and people will pay it.

Your hourly fees for a doctor are massive compared to what you'd expect for a doctor over here, private or NHS.

 

[Neenor]

Excuse me smart-alec (for want of a better term), but I've taken jobs before, after and during both my degree courses (so I've been a taxpayer for about nine years now) in order that I afford them, as well as taking out a loan, so forgive me if I think your comment is a bit ignorant in assuming that we're all layabouts getting everything for free.

And I still think it's a bit daft expecting tens of thousands of young people to go into massive debt when there's already such a problem with personal debt in this country.

Well, It's your choice (choice being the keyword here) that you do 2 degrees. This country owes you nothing. You should have to pay for them yourself. I don't understand your post anyway....you explain that you paid for your education yourself and then you say all new students education should be free. If I were you I'd have a serious look at yourself.

Why do all young people think that they deserve everything for nothing these days?

By the way, young people don't have to go into debt. God forbid they actually go and get a job.

Why should I an active healthy non-smoker pay for obese people and smokers health care? It's the shape of British society, it's just how we do things here.

Wrong. Fat people pay VAT on food and so do smokers. They pay for their own healthcare. You just want something for nothing like the rest of our leech-like youth.

 

[ExigeEvan]

By the way, young people don't have to go into debt. God forbid they actually go and get a job.

Hahah really? You know you'd earn barely £15k (9k fees, 6k housing and bills at best) a year in a call centre working 9 hour days all year round. And yet you expect someone to do that and hold down a full time degree? If that was the case this country would have plenty of English and History students but not a single Engineering or Science student.

Wrong. Fat people pay VAT on food and so do smokers. They pay for their own healthcare. You just want something for nothing like the rest of our leech-like youth.

It's very easy to get fat while avoiding the VAT applied list, and it's also very easy to buy VAT free cigarettes from abroad, should we turn those people away at the hospital doors?

And how am I getting something for nothing if I go on to be a higher earner, pay income tax and more tax when I spend the rest of it? You're just being incredibly short sighted.

 

[Neenor]

Hahah really? You know you'd earn barely £15k (9k fees, 6k housing and bills at best) a year in a call centre working 9 hour days all year round. And yet you expect someone to do that and hold down a full time degree? If that was the case this country would have plenty of English and History students but not a single Engineering or Science student.



It's very easy to get fat while avoiding the VAT applied list, and it's also very easy to buy VAT free cigarettes from abroad, should we turn those people away at the hospital doors?

And how am I getting something for nothing if I go on to be a higher earner, pay income tax and more tax when I spend the rest of it? You're just being incredibly short sighted.

I'm being short sighted because you want something for free? Please, will you buy me a Nissan 370z. I really want one and I don't want to pay for it myself.

It makes me feel happy knowing that young people have to pay. Finally a government with some balls.

 

[PeterJB]

I'm being short sighted because you want something for free? Please, will you buy me a Nissan 370z. I really want one and I don't want to pay for it myself.

It makes me feel happy knowing that young people have to pay. Finally a government with some balls.

Unlike you we don't live in a tax haven. It isn't exactly cheap living here.

 

[Neenor]

Unlike you we don't live in a tax haven. It isn't exactly cheap living here.

My location is wrong, I'm now back in the UK. For your information Switzerland is not cheap. I might not have paid as much tax over there than I do here but goods & services cost on average 4x more.

Also, The Swiss education system has it absolutely spot on. I don't know the exact figure but its something like the top 4% of students go to university in Switzerland. The others are offered either further education in the way of our equivalent B-Tech and GNVQ's and if you don't qualify for that then you are offered apprenticeships or tradesman training.

If only we could be as ingenious over here. That would stop people wanting something for nothing - you'd actually have to earn your university spot.

 

[Famine]

Unlike you we don't live in a tax haven. It isn't exactly cheap living here.

Switzerland isn't a tax haven It's more expensive to live there than it is here!

 

[homeforsummer]

Well, It's your choice (choice being the keyword here) that you do 2 degrees. This country owes you nothing. You should have to pay for them yourself.

I have paid for them myself. I've paid the fees, I've paid taxes for nine years (and will continue to pay taxes for the rest of my life too).

What I would object to is paying those taxes for the rest of my life, much more in theory than someone who hasn't gone to uni, and still being in a lot more debt. Surely if I'm to pay more taxes, it's only fair that the extra money should have gone towards my education?

I don't understand your post anyway....

That isn't my problem - I'm quite sure it was clear to everyone else.

you explain that you paid for your education yourself and then you say all new students education should be free.

Students will pay more for a degree, and theoretically earn more over the course of their lives, and end up paying tens of thousands in taxes, for things like a health service they probably won't use, bailouts for banks they aren't customers at, yet not a degree that's helped line the government's coffers from the extra taxes you're paying.

If I were you I'd have a serious look at yourself.

Why, for believing that I shouldn't have to pay through my arse in taxes?

Why do all young people think that they deserve everything for nothing these days?

I'm seriously questioning your ability to understand simple sentences.

I've already said, TWICE, that not all students are lazy, sponging layabouts expecting handouts. I've worked my backside off to put myself through two degrees and I take great offence at anyone who thinks that being a student is easy.

I would love to see a great many people try and do a masters degree and hold down a full time job and then come back to me and tell me I think I deserve everything on a plate.

By the way, young people don't have to go into debt. God forbid they actually go and get a job.

This just confirms that you're not listening.

It makes me feel happy knowing that young people have to pay. Finally a government with some balls.

Comments like this just mark you out as a bitter, twisted individual who believes that others don't deserve better than you've had yourself.

I'm not sure a government with "balls" would do a complete U-turn on a policy that was instrumental in putting them in power, either.

 

[Keef]

I like how in the UK when they raise tuition fees students riot, protest and even attack the prince's car. Here in the US students just take it, bitch about it mildly on facebook and that's it. Perhaps if American students stood up to the stupidly high prices of tuition then maybe something would change. I'm not saying riot on the steps of Congress, but speak up to some degree.

It was about $6,000 a semester for me to got to school, and at 3 semesters over three years that was about $54,000 not including my trip to the UK for a study abroad. I'm in well over $60k for what? A piece of paper saying I knew how to write what a professor wanted?

I don't think tuition should be free but I do think like most things in our society it should be put in check.

Why did you do it if it wasn't worth the money?

 

[Sphinx]

Why do all young people think that they deserve everything for nothing these days?

Those words still echo from every passing generation. Sorry, but you sound just like my Grandfather. Actually, it's on par with this old favourite; "They don't make music like they used too".


Vote for us!
"Earlier this year, a campaigning Clegg told students: “Use your vote to block unfair tuition fees and get them scrapped once and for all.”


I/We pledge:

No more broken promises:


The Liar:

 

[Joey D]

Why did you do it if it wasn't worth the money?

The only reason I have a degree is so I could have a job that paid more then $30k a year. I think it's ridiculous. I have a degree in archaeology and anthropology and I'm a systems administrator....since I learned all my skills on previous jobs I don't really see the point of a degree, but I never would have been hired without one.

 

[Neenor]

I have paid for them myself. I've paid the fees, I've paid taxes for nine years (and will continue to pay taxes for the rest of my life too).

What I would object to is paying those taxes for the rest of my life, much more in theory than someone who hasn't gone to uni, and still being in a lot more debt. Surely if I'm to pay more taxes, it's only fair that the extra money should have gone towards my education?



That isn't my problem - I'm quite sure it was clear to everyone else.



Students will pay more for a degree, and theoretically earn more over the course of their lives, and end up paying tens of thousands in taxes, for things like a health service they probably won't use, bailouts for banks they aren't customers at, yet not a degree that's helped line the government's coffers from the extra taxes you're paying.



Why, for believing that I shouldn't have to pay through my arse in taxes?



I'm seriously questioning your ability to understand simple sentences.

I've already said, TWICE, that not all students are lazy, sponging layabouts expecting handouts. I've worked my backside off to put myself through two degrees and I take great offence at anyone who thinks that being a student is easy.

I would love to see a great many people try and do a masters degree and hold down a full time job and then come back to me and tell me I think I deserve everything on a plate.



This just confirms that you're not listening.



Comments like this just mark you out as a bitter, twisted individual who believes that others don't deserve better than you've had yourself.

I'm not sure a government with "balls" would do a complete U-turn on a policy that was instrumental in putting them in power, either.

Firstly I earn a six figure salary, so you probably wont pay as much tax in about 10 years as I pay in one year now.



Secondly your attitude absolutely stinks. This is not a tax. If you want to benefit from a service like university which might improve your lifestyle then you should pay for it. It really is that simple.

 

[Neenor]

Those words still echo from every passing generation. Sorry, but you sound just like my Grandfather. Actually, it's on par with this old favourite; "They don't make music like they used too".


Vote for us!
"Earlier this year, a campaigning Clegg told students: “Use your vote to block unfair tuition fees and get them scrapped once and for all.”


I/We pledge:

No more broken promises:


The Liar:

Why do people still go on about this?

NEWSFLASH:

The Lib Dems completely failed at the last election and are only in coalition power because the Tories require them.

But this is old news right..

 

[Keef]

The only reason I have a degree is so I could have a job that paid more then $30k a year. I think it's ridiculous. I have a degree in archaeology and anthropology and I'm a systems administrator....since I learned all my skills on previous jobs I don't really see the point of a degree, but I never would have been hired without one.

Often people's degrees seem totally unrelated to their job. The degree stands for more than what you focused on though. It stands for the motivation and determination that most of the population don't have. It shows you've got the resolve to get through all the dumb classes that really do hardly relate to real life - the kind of classes that spell doom for many new college students, including myself the first time around. You've done this work no matter how annoying it is, you've put up with the professors no matter how retarded they are, you've sacrificed your time and happiness and friends or whatever you had to do to get it done, and for what, because you wanted a job? That's all? Hell, you could have gotten a job at McDonald's and been a store manager within the year with your sort of work ethic.

No matter what specialty it is, a degree shows that you're motivated, determined, disciplined, and frankly better than the rest even if you're otherwise a complete idiot. At least you'll get your work done and solve your own problems when you come across them, because your boss isn't your babysitter and that's why you're hired.

Like you said, a person's work history might even lend enough knowledge to do some pretty lucrative jobs and make some serious money. Beyond that, if you really want to prove you know something about something, get a certification. A doctorate in Aerodynamics doesn't mean I can fly an airplane. A private pilots' license does, and that can be had by a 17 year old for about $5,000.

 

[homeforsummer]

Firstly I earn a six figure salary, so you probably wont pay as much tax in about 10 years as I pay in one year now.

Good for you. It's unfortunate that you've not also learned civil discussion en route to a well paid job.

Secondly your attitude absolutely stinks.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

You've twice made assumptions that students are just layabouts expecting handouts. This is particularly ignorant, especially since I already told you this wasn't the case before you'd said it the second time.

A six figure salary clearly hasn't helped your ability to read, either.

This is not a tax. If you want to benefit from a service like university which might improve your lifestyle then you should pay for it. It really is that simple.

I know it's not tax.

Let me explain for you.

Graduates are expected to earn more over the course of a career than those who don't go to uni. As a result, they'll pay more tax.

Many, many people like to moan that taxpayers' money shouldn't go towards university fees.

My point is that the very people who will be paying more tax are the ones who will be benefitting from it if tax money is used to assist in paying university fees.

It's not like we're asking the poor to foot the tax bill for uni course fees - we're asking the graduees themselves. This is why I object to the fee increases, because throughout my career I'll more than pay for those fees in the taxes I pay, so why should I pay for the fees up front? It's like being charged for them twice.

So far from benefitting for an improvement in lifestyle, you're just getting lumped with more tax, which could quite easily have gone towards paying for the degree in the first place.

And obviously that way, there's no need to go into masses of debt up front either.

 

[Sphinx]

Why do people still go on about this?

NEWSFLASH:

The Lib Dems completely failed at the last election and are only in coalition power because the Tories require them.

But this is old news right..

Because it's relevant to the topic of discussion?

Because it was the catalyst that kicked this all off?

Without the full support of the students and many others at the election (due to the pledge) it would have been doubtful that the Lib-Dems and the Tories could form a coalition, let alone be able to make a change in policy with no mandate. If the exposed documents are to be believed, the students, and many others were duped into voting for a political party that had no intention to fulfil its pledge, even before the election.

Nick Clegg was secretly plotting to ditch his pledge to axe tuition fees two months before the election, it was revealed last night.
In a grave embarrassment for the Deputy Prime Minister, secret papers have revealed that the Liberal Democrats drew up plans to abandon the pledge even as they were publicly promising university students they would oppose fees.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1329328/Nick-Clegg-plotted-ditch-student-tuition-fees-pledge-MONTHS-election.html

 

[Neenor]

Good for you. It's unfortunate that you've not also learned civil discussion en route to a well paid job.

I actually laughed at this. Not once have I said anything condescending. Yet it's ok for you though...

Good for you. It's unfortunate that you've not also learned civil discussion en route to a well paid job.

This just confirms that you're not listening.

You're just being incredibly short sighted

A six figure salary clearly hasn't helped your ability to read, either.

And thats just a couple. It's the easiest way out for people to throw insults when they are clearly losing an argument.

Not once have I made ANY assumptions about students being layabouts. I have said however that students should pay for university education and not expect any financial help. Find me quote that explicitly says "Students are layabouts". You won't find one. Thats because I haven't said it.

I know it's not tax.

Behold...you also said this..I'm confused over your contradictions.

Why, for believing that I shouldn't have to pay through my arse in taxes?

Since you got way-laid and started talking about taxes, I just want to re-iterate my point.

If you want to benefit from a service like university which might improve your lifestyle then you should pay for it. It really is that simple.

If you are unhappy about paying tuition fees then don't go. I can see you made your choice already.

One point I think you will agree with me on though, I think your masters should be publicly funded if you choose to work in the UK. Because university degrees have been made pretty much worthless by everyone thinking that they should have a free ticket to higer education you have to make yourself stand out from the others. A masters or doctorate is the way forward so I applaud you for that.

 

[YSSMAN]

The only reason I have a degree is so I could have a job that paid more then $30k a year. I think it's ridiculous. I have a degree in archaeology and anthropology and I'm a systems administrator....since I learned all my skills on previous jobs I don't really see the point of a degree, but I never would have been hired without one.

Yep. I've got my degree in Political Science and History, and here I am managing a shoe store. You never really plan on it, but that's why I decided to go back to school not long after graduating. I don't want to work in retail all of my life, and a degree is really my only way out.

 

[blaaah]

I support the vote for the raising of tuition fees in the way it has been done, which the Lib-Dems were instructed to vote for by the party leaders. But because they did vote when they said they would fight against it means i will no longer vote for them in the next election, unless they come up with an amazing story to make me change my mind. It's hard for me because i think they did the right and intelligent thing, but they "promised" they would do the opposite action. It's an interesting problem. I still might change my mind, just like they did!
I will give them credit to think that they changed because it was the best thing to do for students and the country as a whole, not because the Tories just told them to. Half of them voted against anyway so there is a healthy balance to the party too.
I'm concerned that they have massively damaged themselves as a party though.
Their only hope is to remain a coalition for the next general election with the Tories, which actually could be a good chance of happening.

 

[ExigeEvan]

I'm being short sighted because you want something for free? Please, will you buy me a Nissan 370z. I really want one and I don't want to pay for it myself.

It makes me feel happy knowing that young people have to pay. Finally a government with some balls.

That's a terrible analogy because the 370Z will only decline in value.

Now if you said you wanted a house, and were going to pay the mortgage rates, and then when you've finished paying the mortgage on the house the house I get to keep the house and keep charging rent to others, that's how the tax man benefits.

Sure there's a larger sum at the beginning, but the most probable situation for the government is they make their money back and more.

 

[Neenor]

That's a terrible analogy because the 370Z will only decline in value.

Now if you said you wanted a house, and were going to pay the mortgage rates, and then when you've finished paying the mortgage on the house the house I get to keep the house and keep charging rent to others, that's how the tax man benefits.

Sure there's a larger sum at the beginning, but the most probable situation for the government is they make their money back and more.

A university degree has declined enourmously in value over the past few years.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/jul/06/graduates-face-tougher-jobs-fight

You don't mention the personal benefits either. A 370z would benefit me because of the enjoyment. A degree would benefit you because there is a very slim chance you might get a well paid job and live an improved lifestyle.

I mean, surely you can't be saying that you want to go to uni so that the UK taxpayer benefits from your degree?

This following article articulates my side of the argument far better than I can.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/dec/11/education-privilege-not-a-right

 

[MatskiMonk]

I think the argument regarding the necessity, or long-term value, of a degree is a different argument to the level of personal responsibility a person has to pay for it.

A qualification is a piece of paper saying you have knowledge...
A CV is a piece of paper saying that you have done...

Potential students need to weigh up what their potential employer is likely to want most.

 

[ExigeEvan]

A university degree has declined enourmously in value over the past few years.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/jul/06/graduates-face-tougher-jobs-fight

Can't argue with that, on a whole. But engineering, sciences and medical degrees are still in massive demand across the board so you can't tar the whole spectrum with the same brush.

And as Jondot has pointed out, it's degrees like Media Studies that are suffering most.

You don't mention the personal benefits either. A 370z would benefit me because of the enjoyment. A degree would benefit you because there is a very slim chance you might get a well paid job and live an improved lifestyle.

Benefit you because of enjoyment? I could get you a season ticket to Alton Towers and a FIAT Panda and you'd still save money. It's still a bad analogy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6335189.stm
It's a 3 year old study yes, but I don't think "slim chance" and "average of £160,000 better off" sit well together.

I mean, surely you can't be saying that you want to go to uni so that the UK taxpayer benefits from your degree?

No, of course not. But I know that by earning a valuable degree I will earn more and I will pay more in tax than 99% of the routes I would have taken had I not gone to uni.

This following article articulates my side of the argument far better than I can.

And I agree. I've never said that higher education is a right, just like I've never said the new tuition fees will prevent students attending uni. But there are many things in British society that are not a right but are gladly funded by taxes through government. How many of those do you disagree with?

But I disagree with him on the maintenance allowance. £10-£30 a week isn't just for fun. Text books range from £20-£70, travel to and from college was £130 a term, food in college £10 a week and then there's stationary, sports equipment, field trips etc But it's okay, my parents are higher earners and paid for that and will do for my 3 other siblings (who are all academically strong.).

I think the argument regarding the necessity, or long-term value, of a degree is a different argument to the level of personal responsibility a person has to pay for it.

A qualification is a piece of paper saying you have knowledge...
A CV is a piece of paper saying that you have done...

Potential students need to weigh up what their potential employer is likely to want most.

Try if from your own perspective. Would you prefer to fly in a plane engineered by a man using trial and error over 4 years, or by a man who spent 4 years learning how to do it right first time?

 

[homeforsummer]

It's the easiest way out for people to throw insults when they are clearly losing an argument.

Which is funny, because I'm not losing an arguement. I'll admit I'm not winning it either, which leaves us at a stalemate - we both disagree with one another and I suspect our views won't be changing any time soon. However...

Not once have I made ANY assumptions about students being layabouts.... Find me quote that explicitly says "Students are layabouts". You won't find one. Thats because I haven't said it.

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Why do all young people think that they deserve everything for nothing these days?

God forbid they actually go and get a job.

It makes me feel happy knowing that young people have to pay

All the above either imply or state that students just sit around waiting for other people's money. At least two of those comments were made after I'd already replied to you saying that, for me at least, this isn't the case - which is why I find comments like this a bit offensive.

And as I said before - I'd love to see how some of the people criticising students would cope if asked to do a degree and a full time job (and indeed a part time job too, since I also have one of those) at once, since I suspect many wouldn't cope.

Behold...you also said this..I'm confused over your contradictions.

I've not said at any point that the fee increase is a tax. What I have said is that for graduands, who throughout life are expected to earn higher wages and therefore pay more tax, I can't see how it's unfair that some of this extra tax they'll pay goes towards their education in the form of subsidised fees, rather than them having to pay the full whack and still pay extra taxes throughout their careers. Hell, it's a much better cause than most subsidies.

On an aside, it would be interesting to hear whether you yourself have a degree or not, and if so whether you've personally benefitted from the reduced fees up till now, or even whether you graduated early enough to have benefitted from student grants and therefore having been even better off than students between 1994 and 2010.

One point I think you will agree with me on though, I think your masters should be publicly funded if you choose to work in the UK. Because university degrees have been made pretty much worthless by everyone thinking that they should have a free ticket to higer education you have to make yourself stand out from the others. A masters or doctorate is the way forward so I applaud you for that.

If you have been a student in the past, I'm sure you'll appreciate that it's not the easiest thing in the world (if you put in the work), even though it can also be good fun.

It's even less easy the higher up you go, so I appreciate your comments.

I happen to agree with you that far too many people are going to uni these days and that it's devaluing degrees (of course, it also depends where you get your degree - call me elitist but I've tried to pick respected unis for each of mine), and though higher fees might control this massive surge towards university education, I don't think that's the government's intention, since they apparently still want more people to go to university - they just don't want to budget for it.

That, and Clegg is a lying git who effectively conned thousands of students into voting for him on a policy he had no intention of keeping. Old news or not, it's one of the most spineless about-turns I've seen since following politics.

 

[lpb-nissan-gt-r]

Another thing is with applying to university in order to have to a chance of getting in I have to do 4 A levels IPro, Economics, Sociology and general studies I also am doing Sports leadership in order to gain needed UCAS points. Now I am a fairly average student in a certain view but in a sociological viewpoint I’m an anomaly I come from a family of divorced parents mum remarried, then had another divorce over violence my house is situated on a council estate but we own/have a mortgage on the house we are in with many problems with it. I lived with my Nan for a while due to disagreement with the family up to abuse, then had to move back home and lived with a depressed single mother who struggled with money thus making me 'materially deprived'.

My grades have evidently dropped at the end of primary school I was 10 places from being accepted into a grammar school I didn’t want to go to, but fast-forward to gcse's I got a D in English along with graphics these where my lowest grades up to my A in PE, and most of my grades I earned by truthfully putting the effort into two months of solid library time and little else, yet in my application to university next year I will appear to be an average maybe below average student as my grades in the subjects

I have to take Sociology predicted and working at a D economics a B and General studies (a mainly English writing exam) I do not know but I am not very confident in. yet in the subject I would like to progress in Ipro I am top of my class getting an average of 84.75% on my chapter tests but I would imagine it be a lot higher if I didn’t have to do so many subjects in order to have a 'look-in' at university. So I have to do things which may not be necessary to the career I would like to partake in I order to progress in what I want to do which IMO is just unnecessary.

While doing this I also work in McDonalds in order to make school easier for myself to pay for computer, insurance and general socialising items such as my phone, and as an incentive to remind myself of what I do not want to be there and to do well in my studies and make it possible to go to university.