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- Thread starter Turbo
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- That_sneaky_azN
Since your logic experience is large, do you see difference between these two sentences :
"Bimmerpost is bad forum./Bimmerpost is bad forum IMHO to me or I dislike Bimmerpost ."
Or another random example.
"I find Lexus LC500 pretty./Lexus LC500 is pretty."
You do realize that Bimmerpost is a BMW fansite. That's what the post above is explaining. Obviously definition won't contain my opinion too.
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- Leadfoot530
Reading this argument is ruining brain cells...
Mostly because of the fact that a part of it's members are too obsessed. If a bmw loses to something in a test, it is considered to be faked, or someone criticises a bmw, it's like that person killed a puppy. I know that it's a bmw forum, but acting like stan never works. Most of the time, it feels to me like im getting dumb reading that forum.
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I don't go much on the 'purist' tag, I just find manual gearboxes a lot more fun and involving to drive. And yes I've driven wide enough range of manual and dual clutch cars to form a reasonably consistent opinion.
As for the engine point, allow me to answer your question with another question. Which would pick from the following comparisons:
1. 458 Speciale 4.5L NA V8 vs. 488 GTB 3.9L TT V8
2. 991 Carrera S 3.8L NA flat 6 vs. 991.2 Carrera S 3.0 TT flat 6
3. 981 Cayman S 3.4L NA flat 6 vs. 718 Cayman S 2.5L T flat 4
4. E92 M3 4.0L NA V8 vs. F80 M3 3.0L TT I6
5. F1 6.0L NA V12 vs. P1 3.8L TT V8
etc...
Sure, you can't argue with the performance and efficiency of modern engines, but to me they lack the feel and character of some of the older engines. The trade-offs of downsizing and turbocharging (in order to meet emissions regulations) in terms of feel, sound and driver engagement are well documented. I'm surprised this is the first you have heard of it...
Note that this is just my opinion, and all opinions are subjective. As unpopular as my opinion may be with you (again - read the thread title), it's just my opinion. Just creating healthy debate 👍
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- UK
I'm guessing you have driven all the cars which you have listed? I can't say what I would pick over another because I have never personally driven those cars.
But I love to hear @homeforsummer's response because I'm sure he is in a better position than both us in this debate.
Because it is an 'unpopular opinion' it doesn't exclude the fact you have to justify it which you remotely haven't properly done but listed a few cars to the point you are asking me to justify for you.
I can literally tell that you probably never went on that website or even if you did, only briefly because most of the members are fairly neutral and are welcome to criticise BMW's. And I don't think you are in the position to judge someone's grammar.
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Fortunately we have this wonderful thing called the internet! Believe it or not, you can actually hear how any one of those cars sounds on Youtube, and there is a myriad of reviews out there by reputable motoring journalists to give us an insight as to how they sound, feel and perform in the real world (which is lucky, because it's pretty safe to say that I will never drive a McLaren F1 or P1...).
With the resources at hand, I'm perfectly within my rights to form an opinion on any of those cars. And I've driven both M3s and both Caymans and I can tell you, the older engines feel much more special.
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- UK
Because asking a question to a point with no conisistency is equated to being a 'try hard'.
I knew you would use the point of sound as it is in continuous theme in your posts to which pre determines how you judge a car, but that problem can be easily amended as there are many aftermarket exhausts on offer for a multitude of cars to satisfy your need to have a 'loud car'.
You really aren't in a position to say that these emission regulations are to ruin engines because you have only test driven a few Cayman's and M3's.
Well, Believe this or not. Cars with normal combustible engines produce carbon dioxide to which runs on fossil fuels. Those fossil fuels are becoming more scarce because it is made from natural materials/life form. Carbon dioxide produced is contributing to global warming to which has a monopoly effect on weather events which will potentially ruin agriculture and land structure plus emissions produce deposit particles of carcinogen.
So that is just one of the reasons for why....
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- Wellington
I can sort of see where @CarreraGT is coming from. I don't think the argument is the denial that they are a "better" engine from a technological stand point, but more the point that it's ruining his own personal enjoyment values with them. Which is fair enough, really - the larger use of forced induction and more linear as such powerbands might take his own personal enjoyment he finds from working the engine hard. It's the same way as newer transmissions might be seen as such as "ruining" cars simply because they're taking the manhandle out from the driving experience some prefer.
At least that's what I take away from it.
At least that's what I take away from it.
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- UK
Many manufacturers still offer the manual transmission and even though cars are now being forced inducted it doesn't exactly mean it takes away the driving experience and you can work the engine harder for longer periods due to today's standard of refinement and reliability as many car reviewers still find the same amount of enjoyment or even more in fact as compared to the predecessor which was naturally aspirated. Plus, with the range of horsepower in high-performance cars today it would not be suitable to fit a standard manual.
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- Wellington
That's your opinion and may not hold true to other people. Forced induction can mean for decreased instantaneous response, or just may not like it because of it. I've talked to people which don't like them either for various reasons which extends to older engines, too.
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I agree with this and is why I'm not against it, but perhaps @CarreraGT sees a "downgrade" in engine design as a worthy compromise in order to fit a clutch pedal? It is the unpopular opinions thread after all.
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- JrDarknes
Pretty much why I feel the same as him. I would have loved that the P1 and 918 had v12's and no hybrid system. Sure their engines now are better than ever but man.... Ide kill to see mclaren make a v12 hyper car around this day and age.
The day Lamborghini v12 goes away is pretty much the day I cry myself to sleep.
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No. Spending the past ten days going over this thread with a fine tooth comb and calling out every opinion that is even remotely objectionable (in a thread entitled "Unpopular Opinions") like the person expressing it has a third arm coming out of their ass is being a try hard. If homeforsummer or niky or Famine are going to comment on whether the perception of what is being said matches the reality, they will likely do so. Then everyone will be able to read their posts showing their experience. Until then, you waltzing in with an elaborate run-on sentence that culminates with "this other person said this thing that says your opinion is wrong" doesn't actually say anything about the thread other than how clever you're failing to look.
That's funny. I would have thought that actual driving experience with a car would be enough to give subjective viewpoints of how they drive compared to the self-professed no experience whatsoever that you have. Though now this is the third not terribly uncommon viewpoint that CarreraGT has claimed to have direct experience with which that you're telling him isn't good enough to form an opinion over, so it's not terribly surprising.
And you just criticized Neddo's grammar? It is amusing that you legitimately seemed to think this 1st grade explanation tossed out as a complete non-sequitur was enlightening, though.
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I always wondered how many different sites, publications, organisations, even different people, describe reliability differently. For example, X Crap Type is described as very unreliable by many yet some site puts it at top 10 most reliable. That said, I don't know who to trust on reliability generally, not just X Type
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Whoa, okay...this thread exploded with nonsense.
My car story: I spent most of my driving school lessons in an '08 Accord with a fart cannon on it. It had a lot of standard driver assists such as ABS, TCS...And then my first car, an '04 Altima, didn't have a lot of assists No TCS was the big one. Lost that car, got into my Impala. TCS was useless in that thing and the ABS made the car a bit weird in the snow (Hell, I almost wiped out one time with that tank because the back decided to slip out with the ABS kicking in just before). So while the assists are useful and definitely a good thing, I feel like there will be a time where your safety assists will fail on the road. You have to be properly equipped to deal with that. My driving school spent a good chunk of its lessons on driving with and without driver assists.
My car story: I spent most of my driving school lessons in an '08 Accord with a fart cannon on it. It had a lot of standard driver assists such as ABS, TCS...And then my first car, an '04 Altima, didn't have a lot of assists No TCS was the big one. Lost that car, got into my Impala. TCS was useless in that thing and the ABS made the car a bit weird in the snow (Hell, I almost wiped out one time with that tank because the back decided to slip out with the ABS kicking in just before). So while the assists are useful and definitely a good thing, I feel like there will be a time where your safety assists will fail on the road. You have to be properly equipped to deal with that. My driving school spent a good chunk of its lessons on driving with and without driver assists.
