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It is difficult to over-rate perfection.

The F-Type R gave out one of the worst perfornances we've ever seen from a performance car on the PCOTY handling test last year.

Because all five drivers (two racers, one drifter, and two wannabe racers) spent their entire runs with the tail out, grinning from ear to ear. Everything else felt humdrum in comparison.

We might have even done celebratory donuts after each run.

Might.

I'm not quite sure. I think I was high on tire smoke at the time.
was the RWD version tested? Because current one is AWD only. RWD version loves to drift
 
If you live in an area where it gets hot, tinted windows keep the interior much cooler than windows with no tint. They also help with preventing glare from the sun. There are legitimate reasons to tint a window other than looks or privacy.

Portugal is known to have a great weather. not to cold, neither too hot. Thus here its for the sole porpuse of looks or privacy. and like Tex said, the same happened to me. lots of time i had to make a emergency swerve to the middle of the road due to no understanding if there's someone in the car.
 
Modern Lotus look like plastic toasters.

The Ford GT90 is good looking.

All motorsport is boring at the moment.

The best car to buy is a Mazda don't ask me why.
 
Modern Lotus look like plastic toasters.
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Modern Lotus:
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Plastic toaster:
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How, exactly, do these two things look alike?
 
was the RWD version tested? Because current one is AWD only. RWD version loves to drift

Last year's version, so yes, RWD.

If they field an AWD this year, I will be very, very, very happy.
 
It is difficult to over-rate perfection.
Actually... I'd agree with him.

Genuinely can't see the fuss with the F-type. R or otherwise. Gets too many things wrong for me: the sound is too synthesised, the styling too stumpy, and by the time you get up to the £100k R, the cabin not suitable for a car of that expense.

But most of all it just has really nasty steering. Bad case of response over feedback. Lots of turn-in grip and too little at the rear - great if you have a big open space to toss about in, not so good on a bumpy back-road when you've got a hair-trigger throttle response and have no idea how much load you're putting through either axle.

In the wet it's particularly unenjoyable since that's when you really need good feedback through the steering wheel and when you really don't need a surfeit of power to the rear axle (even in the AWD one). Driving an R AWD on a group test in Wales in the pouring rain is one of the least enjoyable things I've done since working here, and driving both a Nissan GT-R and a 911 Turbo S on the same event highlighted what a massive difference a less edgy chassis, more traction and good steering can make when you've got 500+ bhp trying to find its way to the road.

The best F-type is an absolutely bog-standard V6, because that's the one that doesn't try and compete with cars it has no hope against, and it costs half the price of an R. And you still get to tart around impressing Joe Public, which is something the F-type is very good at indeed.
 
@homeforsummer - Won't argue with you over how twitchy it is... that's actually why we liked it. I think it was just a gas finding out that there was a manufacturer out there that had the balls (or lack of brains) to build a road car so unsuited for road use.

I guess I'd find it terrifying on the wrong sort of road. Still itching to give it a go.
 
@homeforsummer - Won't argue with you over how twitchy it is... that's actually why we liked it. I think it was just a gas finding out that there was a manufacturer out there that had the balls (or lack of brains) to build a road car so unsuited for road use.

I guess I'd find it terrifying on the wrong sort of road. Still itching to give it a go.
I'm still trying to pinpoint the moment at which I completely lost interest in Jaguar's products. I remember going to a manufacturer driving day several years ago and trying out the previous XF in both its diesel forms and the XF R, and driving the XJ Supersport. Loved all four.

But I remember being disappointed by the F-type the first time I drove it, not particularly liking the XF RS when we did a super saloon group test (once again, mainly let down, again in damp conditions, by weirdly springy and feel-free steering), and being outright intimidated by the R AWD on wet Welsh roads.

I'd like to have a go in an old X300/X308-generation XJ at some point to see what it was like when Jag was way behind on things like tech and quality but far better than its competitors for things like steering feel, ride, and dynamics.

Though honestly, my favourite Jag at the moment is still probably the current XJ. The interior is still wonderful and I suspect in 3-litre diesel form it'd be a lovely thing to knock around in day-to-day.
 
I'm still trying to pinpoint the moment at which I completely lost interest in Jaguar's products. I remember going to a manufacturer driving day several years ago and trying out the previous XF in both its diesel forms and the XF R, and driving the XJ Supersport. Loved all four.

But I remember being disappointed by the F-type the first time I drove it, not particularly liking the XF RS when we did a super saloon group test (once again, mainly let down, again in damp conditions, by weirdly springy and feel-free steering), and being outright intimidated by the R AWD on wet Welsh roads.

I'd like to have a go in an old X300/X308-generation XJ at some point to see what it was like when Jag was way behind on things like tech and quality but far better than its competitors for things like steering feel, ride, and dynamics.

Though honestly, my favourite Jag at the moment is still probably the current XJ. The interior is still wonderful and I suspect in 3-litre diesel form it'd be a lovely thing to knock around in day-to-day.

Shame if the RS is like that... thought the regular XF was a neat car, though not quite as sharp as I'd like.

The XJ is a great piece of kit. Drives lovely despite the size.

I had a chance at a go in an old XJ-R a few months back. An X350 (sorry, had to wiki that, forgot the chassis code!) Couldn't make the damn shoot. Ah well... if I were buying an old luxury car, I think I'd want that one. Last of the classic looking Jags... and, supposedly, better sorted mechanically... though I would prefer an earlier one, without the stupid side vents that Ford added at the end.

Drove an XK, and thought it was lovely. Not very sporty... too soft... too much overhang... but lovely.
 
I'm not sure that this is unpopular, but I'll share it anyway. I do not like badge modifications on cars, whether it's taking a badge off or putting unnecessary badges on it. I.E. Putting GT-R badge on a Mustang or taking a badge off of a Lancer Evolution, I just can't find myself liking it.
 
Toyota RAV4 is not a girls car. People should just stop saying that and shamming me or any other male owners for simply owning one.
 
Toyota RAV4 is not a girls car. People should just stop saying that and shamming me or any other male owners for simply owning one.
I agree with you on that one. My mother just got a RAV4 and I'd drive that thing all day.
 
How is the Rav4 a "girls" car. It's practically the little sibling of the 4runner, one of Toyota's outdoor poster-children.

There are no "girl" cars. Only "civil" and "bada***"!
 
I'm not sure that this is unpopular, but I'll share it anyway. I do not like badge modifications on cars, whether it's taking a badge off or putting unnecessary badges on it. I.E. Putting GT-R badge on a Mustang or taking a badge off of a Lancer Evolution, I just can't find myself liking it.

What's wrong with removing badges? Sometimes it makes the car look cleaner when there's no badging cluttering it up.
 
What's wrong with removing badges? Sometimes it makes the car look cleaner when there's no badging cluttering it up.
It's more of a similar reason why I don't care for spoiler removal mods on cars, the badge to me is part of the car's identity and getting rid of it makes it feel incomplete to me.
 
I can see that on some vehicles, but on others the manufacturer likes to go overboard *cough* Subaru *cough*
 
rebadged copycars should be extinct and manafacturers should put more effort in designing
And then they lose their profit margin and parts commonality becomes useless. I don't think it should be completely gone, but something more like each badge engineered car has a unique selling point. I.E. prizm is cheaper than corolla, corolla has toyota backing.
 
What's wrong with removing badges? Sometimes it makes the car look cleaner when there's no badging cluttering it up.
To me the car usually ends up resembling a chintzy in-the-metal equivalent of an unlicensed lookalike from a bargain bin videogame, or like it came out of one of those generic and cheaply-photoshopped motor oil/cleaning supplies/tire advertisements in magazines.

But that's not a problem if you remove extra badges while leaving the primary ones in place.
 
This. It's just a lot of Mustang owners drive like jerks.

What is wrong with 6500 rpm in first gear constantly? I just figure they hate their rod bearings, and want an excuse to rip out the block to upgrade them.
 
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