Unwinnable Game

[LMJ976]

Gran Turismo 7, has unwinnable games. I have played every GT game. This is the first time 11%, thru the game I have to give up. I can't run "chili pepper" races hundreds of times. I feel ripped off. I have an expensive racing setup. There is no decent info on these races available anywhere I can find to help win these races. I find some of the Mission races unwinnable. This is not a skill issue. It's the game, specifically BoP. It's ridiculous and the GT website doesn't have a number, address, or any other descent way to address the issue with them. GT7 is terrible. I wouldn't give it one star.

 

[TumeK5]

 

[Famine]

I find some of the Mission races unwinnable. This is not a skill issue. It's the game, specifically BoP.

The sheer number of people who have completed every race and challenge in the game would suggest very firmly that they are not, in fact, unwinnable.

Perhaps you could suggest some specific events with which you are struggling and the people here could suggest solutions. You could also search this site for those events and you'll likely find that other people have asked already and answers have been given which helped them.

 

[TumeK5]

The sheer number of people who have completed every race and challenge in the game would suggest very firmly that they are not, in fact, unwinnable.

OP is merely upset he spent over $2000 in the setup and found out it doesn't win you everything.

 

[Famine]

OP is merely upset he spent over $2000 in the setup and found out it doesn't win you everything.

On the flip side, the original raison d'etre of this site was for fans to discuss, compete with, and assist each other in all matters Gran Turismo.

If this is a person who is struggling with something in the game and we can help them overcome that, we ought - even if they come to the table with an "it's not me" mindset. It does neither them nor us any good to just mock them.

 

[Lomic]

Gran Turismo 7, has unwinnable games. I have played every GT game. This is the first time 11%, thru the game I have to give up. I can't run "chili pepper" races hundreds of times.

There are plenty of other easier races were you could find more pleasure racing, and come back later to those pesky pepper races, which are indeed among the most difficult of the game.

I feel ripped off.

I would feel ripped off if the content was so easy that I would have rolled over the game in one month.

I have an expensive racing setup.

That's great, with some time and dedication you will enjoy this game a lot.

There is no decent info on these races available anywhere I can find to help win these races.

Then you are in the right place. As @Famine just wrote, there are plenty threads here about every race in the game, which cars to use, tunes and so on.

I find some of the Mission races unwinnable.

Me too.

This is not a skill issue.

I don't know for you but for me it is clearly a skill issue. Does not prevent me to have fun in other parts of the game.

It's the game, specifically BoP.

BoP is constantly adjusting from update to update, in order to level the field as good as possible. But it won't prevent you from winning every single player event, if you take the time to improve enough.

It's ridiculous and the GT website doesn't have a number, address, or any other descent way to address the issue with them. GT7 is terrible. I wouldn't give it one star.

I'd suggest to be more patient. With time and training you'll find more pleasure in this game.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

specifically BoP

BoP isn't on for some of those [red hot] chili peppers races in road cars so you'll need to do some tuning, luckily they're restricted to PP and people have shared their setups for them if you search around the forums or look on YouTube (KCR-Mark is good for the grind races).

For races with BoP on like Gr3 there will be some cars that are quicker than others but most of the category should be close enough to compete, since you're struggling have a look at replays from the leaderboards in the daily races, licence test and circuit experience, they might show some differences to help iron out those skill issues you mentioned. Don't be afraid to use their ghosts (👻) too, it's good for a direct comparison on where you're losing the time (corner entry, exit, etc).

Good luck and hopefully you can enjoy the game when you figure it out🍻

 

[flair1111]

Gran Turismo 7, has unwinnable games. I have played every GT game. This is the first time 11%, thru the game I have to give up. I can't run "chili pepper" races hundreds of times. I feel ripped off. I have an expensive racing setup. There is no decent info on these races available anywhere I can find to help win these races. I find some of the Mission races unwinnable. This is not a skill issue. It's the game, specifically BoP. It's ridiculous and the GT website doesn't have a number, address, or any other descent way to address the issue with them. GT7 is terrible. I wouldn't give it one star.

some here will laugh at you but i wont. i agree. to win some of these races is so far from the better than average driver, even they cant do it all. i give up myself on golding everything. theres no way unless im a robot.

 

[i386]

Gran Turismo 7, has unwinnable games. I have played every GT game. This is the first time 11%, thru the game I have to give up. I can't run "chili pepper" races hundreds of times. I feel ripped off. I have an expensive racing setup. There is no decent info on these races available anywhere I can find to help win these races. I find some of the Mission races unwinnable. This is not a skill issue. It's the game, specifically BoP. It's ridiculous and the GT website doesn't have a number, address, or any other descent way to address the issue with them. GT7 is terrible. I wouldn't give it one star.

What setup?
Repeating the challenge/race time and time again will create muscle memory to the point where it will surprise you. Keep the repetitions to a level where you are shortly before getting frustrated/mad and try it the next day again.
Skills are sometimes "bad" and occasionally you have to "unlearn" things to win a race/mission in GT7

 

[MoLiEG]

 

[LSFDRX]

This is not a skill issue.

It is WILD to me that this is not the first time I've seen this exact statement come up recently. Usually from an angry one-post user that never comes back.

Yeah, not a skill issue, when so many of us have beaten everything on hard difficulty with no assists. Reminds me of the recent poster exclaiming that they've "mastered trail-braking" yet couldn't beat most of the CEs. Okay buds.

I don't go into a COD multiplayer match, get slaughtered (because I absolutely would), then try to blame it on anything other than myself.

Who are these people?

 

[daan]

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It is WILD to me that thus is not the first time I've seen this exact statement come up recently. Usually from an angry one-post user that never comes back.

Yeah, not a skill issue, when so many of us have beaten everything on hard difficulty with no assists. Reminds me of the recent poster exclaiming that they've "mastered trail-braking" yet couldn't beat most of the CEs. Okay buds.

I don't go into a COD multiplayer match, get slaughtered (because I absolutely would), then try to blame it on anything other than myself.

Who are these people?

And what if they have an issue where the notoriously fragile triggers aren't giving full throttle? Or their brake is binding?

With half the responses here, it's not much of a surprise if they don't post again.

 

[TumeK5]

And what if they have an issue where the notoriously fragile triggers aren't giving full throttle?

What sort of an "expensive racing setup" relies on triggers?

 

[benjoi84]

some here will laugh at you but i wont. i agree. to win some of these races is so far from the better than average driver, even they cant do it all. i give up myself on golding everything. theres no way unless im a robot.

There's another good point here;

Gran Turismo single player isn't actually very good at letting you know how well you're doing until the later parts of an event (unless of course you spank the entire field). This is another symptom of rubber-banding, lack of qualifying, and chase the rabbit style races. The solution for casual players is always going to be 'whack on more horsepower',and that doesn't teach you anything.

It never has been, either. Before I started racing online with GT Sport, my overall driving technique left a lot to be desired, but to my mind I was perfectly quick. I used to hot lap with my friends in Arcade Mode back in the day and we all thought we were the next Ayrton Senna.

 

[SPL170db]

Gran Turismo 7, has unwinnable games. I have played every GT game. This is the first time 11%, thru the game I have to give up. I can't run "chili pepper" races hundreds of times. I feel ripped off. I have an expensive racing setup. There is no decent info on these races available anywhere I can find to help win these races. I find some of the Mission races unwinnable. This is not a skill issue. It's the game, specifically BoP. It's ridiculous and the GT website doesn't have a number, address, or any other descent way to address the issue with them. GT7 is terrible. I wouldn't give it one star.

I've only ever played every GT game on controller pad just as an FYI

 

[GTboyz]

Which chili peppers race are you struggling with?

 

[Meythia]

what if they have an issue where the notoriously fragile triggers aren't giving full throttle? Or their brake is binding?

I think this would also occur on every other race and not be restricted to the missions.
Most notably I guess in this case a new player would struggle much sooner: in the licence tests, where driving with a restrictor for someone not yet totally familiar with the cars handling would very early indicate "impossible to reach times"

 

[daan]

What sort of an "expensive racing setup" relies on triggers?

Granted, I missed that, but the brake could still be binding.

But my point about not being very welcoming still stands.

I think this would also occur on every other race and not be restricted to the missions.
Most notably I guess in this case a new player would struggle much sooner: in the licence tests, where driving with a restrictor for someone not yet totally familiar with the cars handling would very early indicate "impossible to reach times"

True, but faults can be intermittent. I know when the brake on my previous Logitech wheel started binding, it didn't do it all the time. A firm press would solve it for the rest of a session sometimes.

 

[jonoholland29]

Isn’t there something backwards with the Chilli Pepper races? If the game is set to easy then the chilli races are hard and if the game is set to hard then the chilli races are easier?

Or didn’t dream that?

 

[330_D]

Isn’t there something backwards with the Chilli Pepper races? If the game is set to easy then the chilli races are hard and if the game is set to hard then the chilli races are easier?

Or didn’t dream that?

I remember reading this. I run hard mode though so maybe I benefited and didn't know...😂

 

[LSFDRX]

And what if they have an issue where the notoriously fragile triggers aren't giving full throttle? Or their brake is binding?

With half the responses here, it's not much of a surprise if they don't post again.

Those are both highly unlikely scenarios. Both of which can be easily assessed by going into the controller settings and looking at braking/throttle values. This person has an "expensive racing setup", that they no doubt set up themselves. This is basic setup 101 stuff.

If someone anywhere begins by saying the fault is not with them, but with the game or something else, only joins to complain instead of looking around for info that may help them, wants PDs contact info to "address the issues", and gives the game "one star" what responses do you expect?

In what world is it rational to contact a game company to complain that they made an unfair game that other people aren't struggling with? This is ridiculous behavior in any genre.

This is real Karen behavior, and doesn't really merit responding with anything constructive. This person is either trolling us (likely), or venting about not being 100% good at a game they just got on Christmas.

 

[daan]

Those are both highly unlikely scenarios. Both of which can be easily assessed by going into the controller settings and looking at braking/throttle values. This person has an "expensive racing setup", that they no doubt set up themselves. This is basic setup 101 stuff.

If someone anywhere begins by saying the fault is not with them, but with the game or something else, only joins to complain instead of looking around for info that may help them, wants PDs contact info to "address the issues", and gives the game "one star" what responses do you expect?

In what world is it rational to contact a game company to complain that they made an unfair game that other people aren't struggling with? This is ridiculous behavior in any genre.

This is real Karen behavior, and doesn't really merit responding with anything constructive. This person is either trolling us (likely), or venting about not being 100% good at a game they just got on Christmas.

Then just ignore them and let those that want to help, help, instead of barging in and fanning flames.

 

[LSFDRX]

Then just ignore them and let those that want to help, help, instead of barging in and fanning flames.

This person did not come to get help. They came to vent while telling us they're not the problem.

This is a discussion forum, and like it or not, sometimes they aren't all sunshine and roses. This is literally what it's all about, regardless of if the conversation is supportive and constructive, or lame and funny. You're a moderator, not only should you understand that, but you also shouldn't be discouraging normal discourse just because you don't agree with the vibe.

No one's breaking any rules here, and the poster is receiving the responses they warranted based on how they approached us.

Wanting to call a game company to complain about difficulty, and also exclaiming that they are sooo good it couldn't possibly have anything to do with how they play doesn't give me the feeling they are open to rational, constructive advice.

Many people in here have given good suggestions... let's see how that plays out.

 

[LMJ976]

On the flip side, the original raison d'etre of this site was for fans to discuss, compete with, and assist each other in all matters Gran Turismo.

If this is a person who is struggling with something in the game and we can help them overcome that, we ought - even if they come to the table with an "it's not me" mindset. It does neither them nor us any good to just mock them.

I am not a perfect racer. In these chili pepper races ( grades 3 and 4), I am not able to run a race without running of thr track once or spinning out once. It just seems like I have to run a perfect race to win. So I do cadt some blame for on myself and didn't mean to come off that way. My bad. I was hoping that some folks could help me. Give me tips. Best cars. Stuff like that. Also my glasses are currently broken. I am nearly blind in my left eye, so that has been affecting my driving. (That isn't an excuse, but it is a problem). I am driving with one ey basically. This is frustrating. I know I can win these races. Any suggestions would be great.

 

[TumeK5]

I am not a perfect racer. In these chili pepper races ( grades 3 and 4), I am not able to run a race without running of thr track once or spinning out once. It just seems like I have to run a perfect race to win.

You don't need a perfect race, but going off the track and spinning certainly won't help. You just need to work on your consistency.

I was hoping that some folks could help me. Give me tips. Best cars. Stuff like that.

See above. Before any tips on cars and tunes, you need to get better.

 

[jrbabbitt]

I am not a perfect racer. In these chili pepper races ( grades 3 and 4), I am not able to run a race without running of thr track once or spinning out once. It just seems like I have to run a perfect race to win. So I do cadt some blame for on myself and didn't mean to come off that way. My bad. I was hoping that some folks could help me. Give me tips. Best cars. Stuff like that. Also my glasses are currently broken. I am nearly blind in my left eye, so that has been affecting my driving. (That isn't an excuse, but it is a problem). I am driving with one ey basically. This is frustrating. I know I can win these races. Any suggestions would be great.

Your health must come before ANY game. Get your glasses fixed before anything else...

 

[Meythia]

Any suggestions would be great.

Dont stress yourself and dont consider any lost race a waste of time.
Reflect back on where the AI is gaining and then figure out why this happens.
If you regularly get off track, obviously staying on track would already be helpful, but the cause for going of needs to be fixed

 

[pedrocor]

Well, I played every GT title ever, since original title, with full completition, also.
I have a decent if not exactly state of the art setting (considering I completed GT original to GT6 on a controller, not sure is an important piece of the puzzle).
Still, can't win a handfull of races (still menu 47 to conclude because of the Fuji race and menu 49 because I don't really enjoy the Reb Bull thing)
Either way, the Fuji SF race is winnable and there are plenty of videos on youtube showing the way. Perhaps the same thing with the X2019 races, if I was interested.
Also, I struggle to get on the 5% delta to best times on the online Time Trials.
It's because the game is poorly designed? No, it's because there is much room to improvement on my skills, because I'm on a moment in my life I don't have the time or the energy I had 25 years younger, on PS1 times or simply on my 40s I can't keep up with people on their 20s.

That said, some races are harder today than 2 and a half years ago, specifically some of the "chili pepper" races, the ones using gr.3 machinery "Gr. 3 Cup", because only after update 1.40, about a year ago, the settings are restricted to BoP, before that the restrictions were based on PP limit, so you could set your car to match the PP instead of having almost every setting locked.
Notably, none of these races is needed to complete any of the menus, which woull get you pretty far above 11% completition.
In truth, I believe you only get a hard limit on PP value from menu 32 "Supras" (Race of Turbo Sports Cars) forward and real difficulties start effectivelly in menu 42.

Of course, it's your game and you progress the way you want, apart from the initial progressions, which is kind of enforced, but there are plenty of ways to progress over 11% without testing the waters on "chili pepper" events. It's like "Hey, there are about 200 events in the game, I'm 11% through it, I took a deep dive on the most difficult events in the game and struggle a lot!!! They should be easy for me because of my hability on previous titles with totally different physics and tire models!"

 

[Met Entso]

for me the drift missions are unwinnable. but the rest are very doable at least in bronze or silver. Even the drifting can be bronzed relatively easy.

 

[Pigems]

The Chilli Pepper races are the reverse difficulty races, Hard is Easy and Easy is hard. So if you’ve been putting it on easy to try and win these ones, you’ve actually been making them harder to win. Hard is the Easiest difficulty setting for Chilli Pepper races, on Easy the AI drivers run at near World Tour pace.