US Taxpayers Pay Over $1,600 Per Prayer To Congressional Chaplains

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Essentially I believe the misappropriation of any tax dollars is considered a misuse of money,

Some of us do not consider it a misappropriation however, I also do not consider Obama playing golf on our dime a misappropriation of funds. Our leaders are human, they deserve to be human.

Who is this directed to?

The man on the moon, your argument is tired, very tired. Either you would have me believe you are dense as a brick or you wish to show me your smart ass'dness. Either way it's boring.
 
Some of us do not consider it a misappropriation however, I also do not consider Obama playing golf on our dime a misappropriation of funds. Our leaders are human, they deserve to be human.

Which I fully ok with someone thinking it isn't a misappropriation, we all have different views on the subject for whatever reason and it's why we have a thread to discuss it. I was just trying to clear up the confusing in the quoted post.
 
Play the ball not the man.

That is exactly what I am doing, funny you don't see where the true attacks come from. How is this relevant to the thread? I have no idea but I do know that prayer in congress is far from the end of the world. I also know asking why I post what I do is idiotic.

Thanks for the pointless points mate 👍
 
That is exactly what I am doing, funny you don't see where the true attacks come from. How is this relevant to the thread? I have no idea but I do know that prayer in congress is far from the end of the world. I also know asking why I post what I do is idiotic.
Inferring someone is dense, a smart arse and boring is not playing the ball, its attacking them. The AUP is quite clear on that and you agreed to follow it when you joined.

Do so in your future posts.
 
Yeah I'm done with this, I'll still voice my opinion in this thread but I'm not going to break my fingers typing [ quote ] a million more times.

Good thing you don't have to type it then, isn't it? Highlight the bit you want to reply to, and hit the "Reply" button that pops up, and it will put the [ QUOTE] tags in for you. It's simple, and helps everybody keep track of what's being said and to whom.

I've substantiated my views just fine

You haven't, as illustrated by Danoff's excellent - and still unanswered - questions.

it seems to anger you

I don't think anybody in this thread has gotten remotely angry yet. Stop projecting that onto people.

your inability to admit your disdain for religion

The only inability I see is your inability to address what people are actually saying. You keep railing against the notion that people don't want Congressmen to pray. Problem is, nobody has advocated for anything of the sort. We're just saying we don't think taxpayers need to pay for it. They can pray on their own time.
 
The main point is that the congresses paying for prayer services doesn't go against our laws in anyway. It's not a matter of separation of church and state, as that simply means we shall force no state religion and we don't.

My 2 cents here....

There is no "war on religion", there's just a growing belief that separation from church and state should mean more than just "no state religion" as you claim it to be. The government shouldn't be taking people's money and using it to fund religious services. That's the job of the churches, not the state. Period.

And as for this "not wanting religion in schools" business... as an athiest, I call bull. I personally really, really want religion taught in schools. But not preached using all kinds of emotional appeals to convince people to accept it as truth like in church, and certainly not just covering one religion. But when I imagine a mandatory class that teaches students about ALL world religions, their beliefs and histories in a matter-of-fact way... well I think that sounds just dandy.

However, this brings me to a great example of this so-called "war on religion". When the topic of religion in schools comes up, it's often something to do with the Theory of Evolution and religion's answer, Intelligent Design. An athiest (and some intelligent theists) will rightly point out that ID has absolutely no place being taught in a science class, because it's simply not a scientific theory. There's no hard evidence for it that can stand up to any kind of scientific scrutiny.

This is not some baseless attack, it's completely reasonable and justifiable. Science class is supposed to teach science, not religious beliefs... yes, even if they happen to be tangential to the topic at hand. Yet this will inevitably flare up the religious crowd's persecution complex, and alas... that's how we've got this "war on religion" on our hands.
 
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$3 million per round, more than 100 rounds.

Okay, where did the 100 trips figure come from? I don't see that in the article either.

And are you going to address this part at all? -

And you do realize that the vast majority of that money goes towards transportation and security details, right? In other words, anytime any president goes anywhere, similar expenses are going to be paid. So unless you are in fact advocating for no down time, then your point is moot.
 
Indeed I did.
Then I suggest you read it again.

Continue to attack others and you will get banned, posting your opinion (as long as it falls within the AUP) will not.

My post was perfectly clear in that regard.
 
Okay, where did the 100 trips figure come from? I don't see that in the article either.

And are you going to address this part at all? -
I was wrong about the 100 trips. Can't rely on my memory like I used to. It's actually 247 as of 9 months ago.

As to the rest of it your point is irrelevant. I'm throwing up Obama's golf outings in juxtaposition to $800,000 spent on prayers. If we're so concerned about the federal waste of money on prayers how about Obama play some local courses in DC to get his golf fetish in and save all the money spent on Air Force 1? If it were me being outraged about the $800K I'd be spitting fire over $3million on a round of golf, let alone 247 of them. But apparently $8 is a gross abuse of taxpayer money but $3million on golf isn't.
 

...:odd:

Wow, how did he ever get any work done, spending all that time on the green? Even I think that was a bit excessive. I know that's a figure spread over his two terms in the Office but still.

And there's a good chance he wasn't alone in those outings too - I'd imagine he was entertaining a fair few other world leaders while hitting the little white balls. Yes he could.
 
Then I suggest you read it again.

Continue to attack others and you will get banned, posting your opinion (as long as it falls within the AUP) will not.

My post was perfectly clear in that regard.

Attack :lol:

I'm not speaking of your post anyway, I'm speaking of your actions against me, past and present. Why does this need to be public? I have no idea but as long as you make it so, so will I.
 
@Scaff

You make a good point about government making laws that allow religious groups to hold sway over another(such as laws defining what marriage is). Where you're wrong though is that you also have government making laws that allow certain groups such as gays, jews, minorities, etc to also hold sway of over opposition groups, examples of such laws are laws against anti-semitism and more recently anti-discrimination laws which have been used by gays to undermine the rights of other people do what they please with their private property and right to free association.

In a perfect world the best solution is for government to no laws other than to put a emphasis on private property.
 
Attack :lol:

I'm not speaking of your post anyway, I'm speaking of your actions against me, past and present. Why does this need to be public? I have no idea but as long as you make it so, so will I.
No you will not.

Public moderation is a tool to staff are free to use under the guidelines we work too, however if you have an issue with staff moderation either contact an admin or the site owner via PM.
 
@Scaff

You make a good point about government making laws that allow religious groups to hold sway over another(such as laws defining what marriage is).
Indeed.



Where you're wrong though is that you also have government making laws that allow certain groups such as gays, jews, minorities, etc to also hold sway of over opposition groups, examples of such laws are laws against anti-semitism and more recently anti-discrimination laws which have been used by gays to undermine the rights of other people do what they please with their private property and right to free association.

In a perfect world the best solution is for government to no laws other than to put a emphasis on private property.
I'm not sure how I can be wrong about a point I never made?
 
No you will not.

Public moderation is a tool to staff are free to use under the guidelines we work too, however if you have an issue with staff moderation either contact an admin or the site owner via PM.

I did, well I reported your pm to me a few times anyway. Oh look what did I just do right after you?
 
I did, well I reported your pm to me a few times anyway. Oh look what did I just do right after you?
There you go, if the site owner considers my actions to be incorrect then your infraction will be reversed and if not they will not.
 
I know that very well @Scaff. I'm still not understanding why you wish this to be public, but as long as you are quoting me I'll keep responding. It's a bit off topic and tired don't you think?
 
I am a part of this country, and you do not speak for me. Withdraw that statement, it is patently false.

Not for every individual obviously. An observation of our country is what I have and it's accurate.
 
I know that very well @Scaff. I'm still not understanding why you wish this to be public, but as long as you are quoting me I'll keep responding. It's a bit off topic and tired don't you think?
Once again, public moderation is a tool the staff are permitted to use in place of issuing formal warnings with points.

However it's good to know that is not an option you wish staff to use with you should the situation arise.

My comment in this thread was in regard to an AUP violation, and as such perfectly valid. If you have an issue with it then you know the route to take (and it's not public complaint).

As such this discussion is over, attempt to continue it and it will be a further infraction.
 
So now I cannot respond to a post that quotes me? OK 👍

Provide sources to back it up, then. Else withdraw it.

Back up what exactly, that the majority of the U.S. would like to see our constitution upheld? I don't know what you are on about, is it something to do with 70% of us being Christian?
 
So now I cannot respond to a post that quotes me? OK 👍
In terms of moderation no you do not, again if you have issue with this you know the route to take.

Now either drop this need to have the last word on the subject or you will be taking a few days off.
 
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