Used cars dealership in Gran Turismo 7

[ShiftingGears]

No doubt. 420+ and from the GT Sport list, other than the classic cars, not much in the N100-200 class to cycle enough cheap cars.

Yep, GT sport has older cars but they are mostly classics and realistically not cheap at all, often considerably more expensive than new cars.

Compare this to GT4 where most used cars in GT4 were 5-15 years old (even newer in GT1 and GT2) but thats not the case now because PD has to be selective given how much longer it takes to model cars now and the fact it has no incentive to model or remodel less desirable 10 year old cars other than to make a used car feature with a veneer of believability.

Which makes their efforts in Vision GT even more ridiculous given that they're cars that dont exist, people dont use them, PD doesnt use them and it blunts a previous strength of GT which was their variety of real cars and cars based on them.

 

[05XR8]

PD would have to flood the market with kei cars and low boost turbo cars. Something like the GC STI VI in GT Sport, is near a Legend car from the earlier GT games. I’d say just as significant as the R32 that’s showcased in Brighton Antiques. Sure, the 22B is Legend status, but the Type R is no joke. Guess we’ll see if there are any older Demios, Colts, Pulsars and Starlets.

 

[05XR8]

Just bought Dirt 2.0 what the heck man.

Exactly what I was posting about with damage and history. Never knew about this from this game until this morning, GT7 should definitely have something similar for history of every car.

 

[o000o]

Just bought Dirt 2.0 what the heck man.

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Exactly what I was posting about with damage and history. Never knew about this from this game until this morning, GT7 should definitely have something similar for history of every car.

For Used Cars Dealership this would be important, as well as that I'd want for the car selling system to be more fleshed out (history would be one of them).

 

[ScottPuss20]

Just bought Dirt 2.0 what the heck man.

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Exactly what I was posting about with damage and history. Never knew about this from this game until this morning, GT7 should definitely have something similar for history of every car.

As if GT would make this much of an effort for used cars...

 

[05XR8]

As if GT would make this much of an effort for used cars...

I'd be surprised if any part other than engine oil needs to be changed. However, th classic cars could feature wear as shown in the pics above.

Not every used car in the game, but the historic/classic cars are doable.

 

[syntex123]

GT7 should definitely have something similar for history of every car.

For Used Cars Dealership this would be important

Abarth Grande Punto ‘09
Mileage: 188 525 km
Number of scratches: 5
Number of dents: 2
Number of trips to the local track: 1
Finished races: 0
Number of trips to the local grocery store: 336
Engine: ok
Chassis: ok
Oil: needs a change

 

[05XR8]

Abarth Grande Punto ‘09
Mileage: 188 525 km
Number of scratches: 5
Number of dents: 2
Number of trips to the local track: 1
Finished races: 0
Number of trips to the local grocery store: 336
Engine: ok
Chassis: ok
Oil: needs a change

True.

Okay, we have some idea of how many Used cars will be available at launch. Cars pre-2011. Now, I’m interested how that works with the race cars. If we can’t purchase a McLaren F1 GTR and DBR9 from Brand Central, are those cars going to be available as FIA choices? Seems suspect.

The SLS GT3, Z4 GT3 and M3 GT are from 2011. Those just speak in. Many FIA cars have no year and some are in the teens for sort of debut/build year. Might this be a hint for updated GT3 models? We already know the R8 EVO is in. Would make sense for PD to add the 720S GT3.

Anyway, 458, GT-R and Vantage GT3s will be 9-10 years old. Whether PD see fit to update to newer/EVO models, are up in the air.

As for the 2011 cut off, that leaves cars like the SLS ‘10, SLR McLaren ‘09, MP4-12C ‘10, Ruf CTR3 ‘07 and a fair amount of Porsches in the UCD. Possibly. May be some good deals to found.

 

[MroczMR]

I think it means that "most" of pre 2011 will be avaible in used cars, but not all of them. Group cars (1,2,3,4) will probably normally available.

 

[05XR8]

It mentions famous cars from the 1980s and 1990s. The McLaren F1 GTR and BMW F1 race cars are famous. So too are the CLK LM and Alfa 155, Supra GT500, etc. The Alfa(trailer clips place it in Gr.4) and F1 GTR(Gr.3) would be the only ones in an FIA Manu Group. The other Groups don’t need for older cars to be in Brand Central. However, they would be needed to enter certain Nations and Daily Races.

 

[Magog]

I think it means that "most" of pre 2011 will be avaible in used cars, but not all of them. Group cars (1,2,3,4) will probably normally available.

I agree. I think it will just be non-race cars. Isn't that how it always was?

 

[warp9engage]

I agree. I think it will just be non-race cars. Isn't that how it always was?

GT5 had race cars in the Used Car Dealership.

 

[Magog]

GT5 had race cars in the Used Car Dealership.

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Okay but that was the only one, right? Doesn't make sense really to put them in there.

 

[05XR8]

GT4 had used race cars. There was an 80s and 90s UCD. Thats how we had the Stealth models.

GT4 Complete PAL Used Car Cycles List

Well, it's taken a little while (4 months), but I have been trying to play the game too (including A-speccing the Enduros: See sig). So here it is, the COMPLETE Used Car rotations list for the PAL release (and no, they aren't the same as the NTSC ones - if you don't know which version yours is...

www.gtplanet.net

 

[Magog]

GT4 had used race cars. There was an 80s and 90s UCD. Thats how we had the Stealth models.

GT4 Complete PAL Used Car Cycles List

Well, it's taken a little while (4 months), but I have been trying to play the game too (including A-speccing the Enduros: See sig). So here it is, the COMPLETE Used Car rotations list for the PAL release (and no, they aren't the same as the NTSC ones - if you don't know which version yours is...

www.gtplanet.net

What about GT6? I never played that one since it came out after the PS4 released. That's the most recent model they would be likely to base it on.

 

[warp9engage]

What about GT6? I never played that one since it came out after the PS4 released.

Didn't have a Used Car Dealership.

 

[zzz_pt]

GT3, 6 and Sport didn’t have UCD.

 

[Dave A]

GT4 had used race cars. There was an 80s and 90s UCD. Thats how we had the Stealth models.

GT4 Complete PAL Used Car Cycles List

Well, it's taken a little while (4 months), but I have been trying to play the game too (including A-speccing the Enduros: See sig). So here it is, the COMPLETE Used Car rotations list for the PAL release (and no, they aren't the same as the NTSC ones - if you don't know which version yours is...

www.gtplanet.net

GT4 was nearly all road cars though, those 4 (I think 4 maybe 6) stealth race cars were the only exceptions.

GT1 and 2 had only road cars.

GT5 had a mix but all of the used cars were the standard models pulled from GT4.

So factually, 2 games had no race cars and 2 did, though in GT4's case the race cars that appeared were more of a special find than the norm.

 

[05XR8]

For sure, that’s why I said:

It mentions famous cars from the 1980s and 1990s. The McLaren F1 GTR and BMW F1 race cars are famous. So too are the CLK LM and Alfa 155, Supra GT500, etc. The Alfa(trailer clips place it in Gr.4) and F1 GTR(Gr.3) would be the only ones in an FIA Manu Group. The other Groups don’t need for older cars to be in Brand Central. However, they would be needed to enter certain Nations and Daily Races.

As far as we know, FIA is mainly Gr. 3 and Gr.4. All other cars can be acquired whenever. There are currently three 2016 LMP cars that most players use anyway. Any pre-2011 Prototype doesn’t have to be in Brand Cantral. The Peugeot ‘10 could be in the UCD, even if there are players that would prefer that car. They’d probably have to wait for it to cycle through.

 

[05XR8]

Alrighty, if I calculated correctly, as per the gtplanet Guide and master car list(250 at the moment) and the info from the booklet, we have approximately 87 cars from 2011-2021, 111 cars from 1929-2010. Remaining Cars without years are left out.

1921-1930: 1
1931-1940: 1
1941-1950: 1
1951-1960: 8
1961-1970: 28
1971-1980: 7
1981-1990: 15
1991-2000: 23
2001-2010: 27
2011-2020: 84
2021-2025: 3

If PD split road cars to race cars 50:50, as they’ve done for GT Sport, that gives us 214 cars for each(if the 428 car screen shot is a hint). At the moment(some of this could be off):

136 road cars
106 race cars
8 cars(namely VGTs) I’m not too sure of.

If 178 cars are left until debut, that leaves 78 road cars and 100 race cars to be revealed. Couldn’t tell from that speculation how many would be pre-2011.

If someone wants correct my math or have at it, be my guest.

 

[NICKname]

Considering that it was possible to finish GT5 without ever buying a used car, the UCD absolutely needed an overhaul to even warrant its inclusion in GT7.

In GT5, at any given time you could open the UCD and 90% of the cars there would just be trash. Variants of cars you already have, variants of cars you could just buy as premiums, race cars that have equal or better premium equivalents, overly expensive cars you'll never need, or just completely uninteresting, painfully boring and mostly useless city cars. There was no reason to buy any of these, especially considering that they were PS2 quality.

Knowing that GT7's UCD will only feature cars from 2011 and earlier, and that there will apparently be only about 100-150 of those (some of which will only be available as antiques), is a blessing really. Quality over quantity. No more trash clogging up the listings. The only reason why a player will ever need to visit the UCD is to either save money or to buy a car that he can't get brand new. It seems like the new UCD format will actually play into those reasons, which is very good thing.

The UCD in GT4 kind of did the same thing, but even in GT4 there was too much trash. 50% of each of the UCDs would always just be different variants of JDM cars, meaning the overall variety would be far lower. If you were looking for an 1980s European car, you'd be lucky to even find one at any given time.

I've seen people here, and on other forums too, demand a huge used car list filled with the exact same cars they never, ever used in GT4 and GT5. There will most likely be one kei car championship. It will not be a popular event. The game doesn't need fifty kei cars.

 

[tankuroded]

Considering that it was possible to finish GT5 without ever buying a used car, the UCD absolutely needed an overhaul to even warrant its inclusion in GT7.

Pick-Up Truck Challenge, Lupo Cup and Formula GT Championship wants to know your location (OCD aside).

 

[Dave A]

Considering that it was possible to finish GT5 without ever buying a used car, the UCD absolutely needed an overhaul to even warrant its inclusion in GT7.

That's not quite right, you absolutely needed to buy the Formula GT from the UCD in GT5 to complete the game. A car that you had to be super lucky to find and have the avaiallbe Cr to buy it for the few days it was availalbe.

 

[NICKname]

Lupo Cup and Formula GT Championship (among others) wants to know your location (OCD aside).

That's not quite right, you absolutely needed to buy the Formula GT from the UCD in GT5 to complete the game. A car that you had to be super lucky to find and have the avaiallbe Cr to buy it for the few days it was availalbe.

You get a Lupo Cup Car for winning the European hot hatchback championship. As for the Formula GT championship, the was indeed always an FGT car in the OCD... It didn't function like a used car dealership, it was more like a random selection of brand new standard cars. Nowadays you'd need to buy a used Formula GT car, but not when the servers were still running.

 

[Samus]

Alrighty, if I calculated correctly, as per the gtplanet Guide and master car list(250 at the moment) and the info from the booklet, we have approximately 87 cars from 2011-2021, 111 cars from 1929-2010. Remaining Cars without years are left out.

1921-1930: 1
1931-1940: 1
1941-1950: 1
1951-1960: 8
1961-1970: 28
1971-1980: 7
1981-1990: 15
1991-2000: 23
2001-2010: 27
2011-2020: 84
2021-2025: 3

If PD split road cars to race cars 50:50, as they’ve done for GT Sport, that gives us 214 cars for each(if the 428 car screen shot is a hint). At the moment(some of this could be off):

136 road cars
106 race cars
8 cars(namely VGTs) I’m not too sure of.

If 178 cars are left until debut, that leaves 78 road cars and 100 race cars to be revealed. Couldn’t tell from that speculation how many would be pre-2011.

If someone wants correct my math or have at it, be my guest.

They may not be dated but the Gr. cars and VGTs are obviously all post 2011 and will be in Brand Central.

I was bored so I made a spreadsheet from the current car list posted here by Famine so I could calculate all the stats and have them update automatically in future. For now all the Gr and VGT cars have just been slapped with 2017 but when I get around to it I'll change them to be more realistic, i.e. 2022 for any new ones. But for the purposes of pre/post 2011 they're fine at the minute.

I'm not going to share the spreadsheet at the moment, I want to add more data, but these are the returned stats:

Total Cars​	261​	​	​	​	Brand New Cars​	32​
Pre-2011​	116 (44.4%)​	Road Cars​	154 (59%)​	​	Returning Cars from GTS​	211​
2011 onwards​	145 (55.6%)​	Race Cars​	107 (41%)​	​	Returning Cars from older GT​	18​

So to get to that 300+ 2011 cars in Brand Central as mentioned by the booklet we need another 156 minimum. That would take the overall total to 417. Any remaining cars would be pre-2011, but it'd not be many. Anything from 4 to maybe 30 at a push, total 447.

It still seems pretty unlikely to me that of the ~167 cars we're left to see that at least 156 would be post 2011, but they're going to have to be unless the Japanese booklet is wrong.

You get a Lupo Cup Car for winning the European hot hatchback championship. As for the Formula GT championship, the was indeed always an FGT car in the OCD... It didn't function like a used car dealership, it was more like a random selection of brand new standard cars. Nowadays you'd need to buy a used Formula GT car, but not when the servers were still running.

Yes, the OCD was literally added because people complained they couldn't find the FGT in the UCD thanks to PDs design flaw. It was an aknowledgement of that error it was always there. Now it's gone and the design flaw remains.

 

[Dave A]

You get a Lupo Cup Car for winning the European hot hatchback championship. As for the Formula GT championship, the was indeed always an FGT car in the OCD... It didn't function like a used car dealership, it was more like a random selection of brand new standard cars. Nowadays you'd need to buy a used Formula GT car, but not when the servers were still running.

Not when the game launched either. The OCD was added post launch and even then it was merely a variation of the UCD, it featured cars from the same pool, albeit grouped differently and they remained present for a set period of time rather than in game days. But the principal remains the same.

I'm not dissagreeing with you that the UCD needed an overhaul, it wasn't great in GT5, but arguing a car was avaiallbe in the OCD also is semantics, you still had to wait it's turn just as you did in the UCD. It was better, sure, but nothing more than a quick fix.

 

[NICKname]

Not when the game launched either. The OCD was added post launch and even then it was merely a variation of the UCD, it featured cars from the same pool, albeit grouped differently and they remained present for a set period of time rather than in game days. But the principal remains the same.

I'm not dissagreeing with you that the UCD needed an overhaul, it wasn't great in GT5, but arguing a car was avaiallbe in the OCD also is semantics, you still had to wait it's turn just as you did in the UCD. It was better, sure, but nothing more than a quick fix.

Okay. I didn't know the OCD wasn't there on launch.

You could also say that it's definitely necessary to use standard cars to finish the game, and that the huge UCD was just the way PD went about putting all of PS2 era cars in the game. On the other hand, why did they import all of those cars into GT5 when most of them don't seem to belong there? Why did they model them in the first place, when a sizeable amount of them aren't useful in GT4 either? In the end I think it also says a lot that the one time you actually needed a used car, it was extremely hard to find because there are 800 other cars clogging up the UCD.

 

[wagnerFAM98]

I really, really want to believe that all this "more than 300 post 2011 cars" thing is no more than a typo, and they actually meant to say 200, a number where it actually makes sense and gives pre-2011 cars a nice room to breathe. After seeing they've switched the High Speed Ring and Trial Mountain logos on this booklet, I'd take any other suspicious information very carefully.

 

[o000o]

You get a Lupo Cup Car for winning the European hot hatchback championship. As for the Formula GT championship, the was indeed always an FGT car in the OCD... It didn't function like a used car dealership, it was more like a random selection of brand new standard cars. Nowadays you'd need to buy a used Formula GT car, but not when the servers were still running.

I mean yeah GT5's UCD didn't function like used car dealership, and it's just obviously the Standard Cars Dealership to separate it from Premiums. Probably you or others shouldn't use GT5's UCD as the expectation of what UCD would be implemented as (and there are no Standard/Premium cars anymore), GT5's UCD being actually SCD is already an outlier anyway, with all UCDs before being places to buy older cars in other GT (below '96 iirc for GT1, below '98 iirc for GT2 regarding Japanese cars, below '00 for GT4 and certain old cars are placed in Classics/Legendary Cars section).

I think at least PD separating the novelty of the old cars in Brighton Antiques means to me PD are putting more effort in Used Cars unlike GT5 one where they just lump every Standard Cars together there, showing 30 out of 800+, and at least the effort is like how the Used Cars are normally implemented in GT1, GT2, and GT4 (with Brighton Antiques being similar to Classics/Legendary Cars, but using Used Cars system rather than New Cars one).

I really, really want to believe that all this "more than 300 post 2011 cars" thing is no more than a typo, and they actually meant to say 200, a number where it actually makes sense and gives pre-2011 cars a nice room to breathe. After seeing they've switched the High Speed Ring and Trial Mountain logos on this booklet, I'd take any other suspicious information very carefully.

Technically "more than 300 post 2011 cars" can sound better that it can just mean more cars in the game, though yeah I have doubts on this phrasing as GT had always had more pre-2011 cars, to the point that it can be criticism for PD.

 

[MIE1992]

Okay but that was the only one, right? Doesn't make sense really to put them in there.

Indeed, I’m convinced that the UCD in GT5 was more of a “dumping ground” for the numerous standard models that were largely from the PS2 era. Including models like the Nissan R390, or the Toyota GT-One (TS020).