Used cars, unique cars, player dealerships and more

[Rob192005]

Interesting,very interesting. my thoughts on used cars i'd say that for gt5 would be similar to gt4 with the set days for certain rare cars and the ones with next to no milage.
Also loving the idea of online tuner shops/dealerships.

 

[TeggD]

Wouldnt it punish people who drive alot lol?

 

[jonathansp]

Forza 2 has an auction house doesnt it? These problems dont happen on there.
If there was the used car section to buy cars like on GT4 and a section where people could put their car up for sale, putting a high price on your car would be pointless as you could just pop into the offline used cars and buy one for the proper price. Obviously if it was tuned well then they can set a price that sounds reasonable to them.

I dont like the idea of a limited supply of certain cars though after reading some people views - People with the cars stopping playing etc...

 

[hank87]

Guys, you are doing exactly what you want PD NOT to do. You constantly come up with ideas like "it would be great if this or that could be added". Just imagine what would happen if Kaz and PD actually listened to you- GT5 would NEVER be released. Just let go. We need tracks and cars with GT physics. That's what GT is about.

Go play WoW ans Sims 3 if you want open-world and other types of nonsense

 

[magburner]

My apologies for not getting back to this thread sooner, I've been busy these last couple of days. 👍

-You mentioned some cars being classified as "unique", but how would the others be classified?

Cars could be unique for many different reasons, and not simple because they are expensive supercars or rare classics.

For example, all cars in GT5 could be classified as 'exceptional', 'excellent', 'average', 'below average', and 'poor'.

These rough ratings could be applied to key categories, like performance, looks, maintenance etc, so you could get a feel for how well that car rates compared to another car of the same type. Better rating will equal a higher asking price.

Many posters have said that they would not like to see players set the price, because of the vastly inflated prices that may arise. Well, I have a solution, to that. Instead of having the player set the price of the car, the price would be determined by some formula that takes into account the the above classifications. if you look after you car, you can expect it to generate a higher price than a car that has been hammered.

Maffski hit upon a point I was going to make too when he said this:

This thread did get me thinking though, and similar to what vincent just posted, it could be very interesting if no two cars were exactly alike in terms of power/torque etc, just like in real life. They could introduce slight discrepances in power output and for example a car that is listed by the manufacturer as having say 480bhp might occasionally randomly come with perhaps 485bhp or 490bhp, we're talking fractional differences, but enough to make it worth hunting down an exceptional example in the auctions or for sale listings.

This is more or less along the lines of what I was thinking when I first thought of unique cars. If your car has slightly higher than usual stock BHP, then it could be rated as 'excellent' or if it is higher still, 'exceptional'. The chances of anyone having a stock car with higher BHP might be small, but there would be a chance that any driver could get one.

-How would the worth of the used cars be determined?

See above. 👍

-How would the car auctions function? Would it be something like Forza's auction house or something along the lines of say, Barrett-Jackson?

I wasn't thinking anything ridiculously difficult when I though of auctions. I have not played Forza 2, so I can't comment on how the auctions work in that game, but for GT5 I though of something pretty similar to how EBAY works.

When you sell a car, you would be presented with an additional option to auction it too. If you select to auction it, you would be presented with a simple screen that has a couple of options.

For instance, you could have an option to set a minimum price you are willing to sell the car for, similar to a reserve. You could also set a buy-out price (which may or may not be the same as the reserve), and finally, the length of time the auction should last for. Once these parameters are set, the car details would be posted to a section on the online used car lot, and other drivers would be able to bid on, or buy-out the auction.

Ok, I see what you mean now. In that case, you may not be able to race that person's car since it won't reconize it. Then again though, I basing that off what I've seen with Grid where you could not race a person using a car from the 8-Ball Content unless you had it too.

Well there are two ways of doing this. For public races, I think It wouldn't be a problem as the online match making system would tie up all the players that have the same DLC cars and fit them into a race. The problem becomes harder when you have private races. If not all players in the private race have the car, then they would obviously be disabled.

Thinking a bit further on about this, I think that PD might release cars in packs of maybe 4 or 5 or even 6 cars, that are balanced with each other. This would ensure that there was greater variety of cars amongst the field of competitors. Then again, i may be wrong, but that's my take on it. 👍

As for trading/selling/auctioning cars/parts, if the wear and tear of parts (not crash damage, but degradation of parts) is simulated, this might make a used cars/parts player market interesting, as there would be parts of different quality that could be available for a lower price than a brand new part.

Sega GT from a few years ago, had a similar thing. You could buy used parts that were the same as the full-price versions, but had a much bigger chance of failure. Many of times I had raced my car too aggressively, and found that the 'used' exhaust I had installed had fallen off mid race, causing all sorts of problems!

Guys, you are doing exactly what you want PD NOT to do. You constantly come up with ideas like "it would be great if this or that could be added". Just imagine what would happen if Kaz and PD actually listened to you- GT5 would NEVER be released. Just let go. We need tracks and cars with GT physics. That's what GT is about.

That maybe so, but think of this. I seriously doubt that GT5 will be released as a finished product. Don't get me wrong, the game will not be released half done, just that there will be plenty more content in the pipes.

GT5 has taken so long to produce, that it would be illogical for PD to move onto the next game so soon without exploiting this game. 👍

hehe yeah I thought that was a bit too much of a coincidence. Used to DJ with bukem, tayla and blame back in the day, I still dj and produce, but the atmospheric side of things is a bit dead these days... hit me up sometime and I'll hook you up with a mix n ting.

You know your tunes pal! Most people spot the obvious 'Above and Beyond' connection, but your the only guy to have spotted the rest! I very well may hit you up for a mix (or two), what you got? 👍

 

[EJRocky]

Being able to sell cars, yes... but I don't think there should be player dealerships. That would probably mean you're gonna get a load of people online who don't actually race.

Or, people whose dealerships get so big that they haven't the time to race anymore. In fact, GT5 will be so worldwide that I reckon online is going to be active 24/7... and, imagine if you had a really great dealership, with loads of business. It would be work! You'd have to get up in the morning, go on GT5 to sort out business (and you'd have to - there would be real people out there, wanting delivery of their car) and then go to bed again, without doing any racing or even going outside in real life!

However, I'm all for selling cars. There are people in Forza's online community who build, tune, paint cars, and sell them to a player who comissioned it from them. This could be done in GT5, just with the ability to tune, modify, paint, and sell cars.

And I'm all for selling parts too, ala Vincent's post.

 

[Northstar]

I mean for paid DLC... if you haven't got it where will your PS3 get the info from to render the cars if someone else turns up with one, surely the on-line gameplay connection doesn't carry the info on how to draw the cars, just where they are and what they're doing? (Genuine question?)

.. just wondering how paid DLC could work, because I think it would be good if it did!

Well again they could take a page out of T10's book and have a free car that actually downloads the whole car pack, however you can't use them. This makes it so that if someone doesn't want to buy the DLC pack they could still DL the free car and see them online.

 

[greenlightning]

I am sure there would be montly or bi-monthly game upgrades that would include data for all newly released models, tracks, parts etc. This means that even though you may not be able to drive some cars unless you pay for them in R/L. You could still see them on the track and in dealerships. Even A.I. might be driving some newly released cars in races. This would be one time that I would agree that a test drive should be allowed for downloaded cars. I am sure that online trading and car communities will be established. To what extent we are not sure, but hopefully there are lots of features.

 

[liquid07]

I have always wanted player auctions WITH player set prices, it makes sense. There are no problems with this system. its in TDU for PC. Just list parts fitted to car and the player can decide if its a good deal.. nothing to stop him buying a brand new car and fitting parts himself... the only cars that would inflate is non buyable cars, which is how it actually works in RL. Theres nothing stoping the player from getting these non buyable cars with hard work if they inflate to much and of course you could only acquire these cars once.

 

[Worst_Driver]

I've read your great idea. I like the way you think but there's just something about exclusive cars that I'm not sure.

Exclusive things can make a lot a people go mad. Take for example the recon armor in halo 3.(for those who doesn't know what it is, its a special armor nothing more but its reserved to the bungie staff, some desperate no-lifes do everything they possibly can to get this stupid armor)