Usgp 2005

[Zardoz]

Zardoz, I think you didn't get the sarcasm in the post.

D'oh!

I guess I'm so pissed about this mess I'm not reading (or thinking) straight.

Sorry.

 

[Sven]

Looks like no more F1 after 2007 ...

Good riddance, I say. If it's going to continue to be plagued by such beauocratic politics and absurd regulations, I don't think I'll be caring about it by 2007.

I'm all for it if the big teams want to break off and form their own league though. At least they'd know what they'd be doing.

 

[Blake]

So I was completely wrong about this. 7 teams pulling a GP, I wouldn't have guessed it would get this severe but it did. F1 in America, especially at Indy, is all but over. The fallout of this will be incredible, I don't know how the FIA will handle this, how Michelin will react come next race, how the championship will turn out, what will happen to Michelin, what will happen to the 7 teams that pulled out of the race, whether there will be a US GP next year ... there is too much fallout, this is huge.

I put the blame squarly on Michelin, they should have bought a tyre that could finish the race. They screwed up and their mistake has caused this situation. There are things that could have been done to put on a show but it is not up to the FIA to fix Michelin's mistake. The fact is the FIA did what they had to do, they made efforts, however small, to allow the Michelin teams to race and acting under the advice of Michelin they chose, in the interest of safety, not to race.

Bridgestone bought a tyre that lasted the distance and was safe. They, nor the teams using Bridgestone tyres, should not be blamed for anything that happenned today.

Ferrari, as expected, blitzed the other Bridgestone teams in what essentially was a race distance test session with championship points the reward for finishing. Tiago outdrove his team mate and took a shallow podium, which will probably be his only one. The race was tottally pointless but the ramifications will be huge.

The championship is now wide open for Michael and Ferrari, but I can't help not taking this whole thing seriously. It is a race that should have had 20 competitors but only had 6, the points are meaningless now, and points from this race should be halved.

This is messed up ...

Blake

 

[DevilGTx]

No free GP in America.
People would die.
And if you think this will kill F1, you are badly mistaken.
This can only make it stronger.
Now they will change attitudes about rules interpretatuion.
The teams will change strategic planning to allow for disasters like this from now on.

All about death...when the true intent is to maintain life, only at the edge.

 

[Solid Lifters]

No free GP in America.
People would die.
And if you think this will kill F1, you are badly mistaken.
This can only make it stronger.
Now they will change attitudes about rules interpretatuion.

I think you haven't paid good attention to what just happened. You really think the FIA gives a damn what happened at the USGP? You really think they now feel the need to change their attitude?

I think you see too much in the FIA.

 

[westwood]

No free GP in America.
People would die.
And if you think this will kill F1, you are badly mistaken.
This can only make it stronger.
Now they will change attitudes about rules interpretatuion.
The teams will change strategic planning to allow for disasters like this from now on.

All about death...when the true intent is to maintain life, only at the edge.

this was a HUGE mistake. its going to have very severe consequences, people who payed for their entertainment were screwed the average american racing fan just switched his dial permanently back to nascar and efffectively lost any chance f1 had at getting an american market.

races are far too early for the average fan as its sunday and people arent getting up at 6 o clock to watch a race when they could be getting some seriously needed rest.

as for whos fault it lies in several place and no one is solely at fault. michelin brought a crap product and put everyone in a bad position but there is no reason the FIA couldnt of made some kind of compromise so that michelin runners could compete safely. eather it would of been giving bridgestone the top grid spots or simply allowing bridgestone to change tires aswell.

as for anyone who says the michelin guys could of run the race at reduced speed, thats a joke. what happens when that williams is chugging down the front stretch at 150mph and here comes a screaming ferrari at 200+, thats how people get killed.

and to blame ferrari for running the race is stupid, why would they pass up free points? if you were i nthat position youd of done the same thing. now they are tied for 2nd in the constructors champ and both of their drivers are within 5(?) points of 2nd overall.

no matter how you look at it its a very very sad day for the sport as absolutely nothing good has or will come from the events today.

 

[Zardoz]

Joint statement from the Michelin teams, for what its worth. Its pretty much what you would expect:

http://www.formula1.com/race/news/3201/740.html

 

[Sven]

Just imagine if Michelin had disregarded the problem and had the teams race anyway. What if they had just kept quiet, and downplayed it, in order to preserve the race's integrity? You could have had half the field crash out at 13, hitting the wall at 180, because of chatastrophic tire failures. That, imho, would have been a much worse situation. Sure the thuggish fans that were throwing crap onto the track would have been happy, but it would have raised all kids of safety issues, and put Michelin and the FIA in terribly hot water.

That's why you can't put the whole blame on Michelin. Yes, they supplied a faulty product, but they at least knew it, acknowledged their mistake, and made some attempt to fix it.

 

[vtec_guy]

I know what most people will probably say to this but I felt really sorry for Tiago Monteiro. He was really happy to have what will probably be his only podium with Jordan and I dont blame him for being happy. I mean, at the end of the day his team chose the right tires for the job so they succeeded, but what happens, he gets booed off the podium.
I'm not saying all of this Michelin madness was ok, because i'm distraught that all the other teams werent taking part and that there wasn't an exciting race. Heck, I mean BAR are actually behind Jordan and Minardi now.This was entirely Michelin's fault and absolutely noone else is to blame. I just couldnt see why they wouldnt install a chicane and have an extra 7 teams running rather than not install a chicane and only have 3 teams running as well as upsetting the majority of America's F1 fan base.
I think this anger and frustration will be short lived, of course people would be angry to have spent all that money only to see 6 cars driving round the track. But sooner or later (easily before next years season) fans will forgive and forget and realise that it isnt the track manager's, team managers' or the FIA's fault that noone raced today. Of course they had a say in it but like any normal human being they chose safety over points. This was just due to a complete lack of preparation from Michelin and they need to sort themselves out as soon as possible. I'm not saying I could od a better job but if Bridgestone can, so can Michelin.

 

[ExigeEvan]

Does anyone think that a laser-cut track should not be driven across perpendiculary?

At least Michelin fessed up and didn't blame it on the track 'changes'.

 

[Brett]

So I was completely wrong about this. 7 teams pulling a GP, I wouldn't have guessed it would get this severe but it did. F1 in America, especially at Indy, is all but over. The fallout of this will be incredible, I don't know how the FIA will handle this, how Michelin will react come next race, how the championship will turn out, what will happen to Michelin, what will happen to the 7 teams that pulled out of the race, whether there will be a US GP next year ... there is too much fallout, this is huge.

I put the blame squarly on Michelin, they should have bought a tyre that could finish the race. They screwed up and their mistake has caused this situation. There are things that could have been done to put on a show but it is not up to the FIA to fix Michelin's mistake. The fact is the FIA did what they had to do, they made efforts, however small, to allow the Michelin teams to race and acting under the advice of Michelin they chose, in the interest of safety, not to race.

Bridgestone bought a tyre that lasted the distance and was safe. They, nor the teams using Bridgestone tyres, should not be blamed for anything that happenned today.

Ferrari, as expected, blitzed the other Bridgestone teams in what essentially was a race distance test session with championship points the reward for finishing. Tiago outdrove his team mate and took a shallow podium, which will probably be his only one. The race was tottally pointless but the ramifications will be huge.

The championship is now wide open for Michael and Ferrari, but I can't help not taking this whole thing seriously. It is a race that should have had 20 competitors but only had 6, the points are meaningless now, and points from this race should be halved.

This is messed up ...

Blake

It really looks like there won't be a USGP next year, which is a real shame. There are some big fans of F1 here in the States, though not near as many as there should be. I am still trying to figure out why CRAPCAR is such a big deal. I could go out there and do the same damn thing they do all freakin' day. Though I would probably end up dieing from it because I would fall asleep at the wheel and hit a wall at way too fast of a speed. Outside of F1, the only thing I have to watch that is even entertaining is ALMS and at times it can get kinda crummy. well WRC is pretty good, but the coverage isn't near as good as it should be.

Michelin really messed this one up. Though Bridgestone would have had a slight advantage with already having some data on the track conditions. Still that is no excuse for Michelin's big screwup. The FIA has really messed up with the stupid tire rule.

This race brought Ferrari right back into the championship picture.

Here is something sad to say. I am watching the CART race and it is much more enjoyable. At least there is real racing going on and more than just a handful of cars.

this was a HUGE mistake. its going to have very severe consequences, people who payed for their entertainment were screwed the average american racing fan just switched his dial permanently back to nascar and efffectively lost any chance f1 had at getting an american market.

races are far too early for the average fan as its sunday and people arent getting up at 6 o clock to watch a race when they could be getting some seriously needed rest.

as for whos fault it lies in several place and no one is solely at fault. michelin brought a crap product and put everyone in a bad position but there is no reason the FIA couldnt of made some kind of compromise so that michelin runners could compete safely. eather it would of been giving bridgestone the top grid spots or simply allowing bridgestone to change tires aswell.

as for anyone who says the michelin guys could of run the race at reduced speed, thats a joke. what happens when that williams is chugging down the front stretch at 150mph and here comes a screaming ferrari at 200+, thats how people get killed.

and to blame ferrari for running the race is stupid, why would they pass up free points? if you were i nthat position youd of done the same thing. now they are tied for 2nd in the constructors champ and both of their drivers are within 5(?) points of 2nd overall.

no matter how you look at it its a very very sad day for the sport as absolutely nothing good has or will come from the events today.

You say this will dial the American market back to CRAPCAR, well I am one of those that won't go back to that severely boring series. I see no entertainment value in the series. I mean I could sit there and go around in an oval all day too. I think I will start to watch ALMS much more seriously now. I have always been a big fan of the series, just not been very good at watching the coverage. At least there are no real problems with the ALMS and the FIA is in no way involved at all.

Yes, the races are too early for the average American viewer. Even myself, a big fan of F1, have a hard time getting up at that time for races on Sunday. I mean if I stay up late on Saturday night, I can forget waking up for the race because there is no way I will be able to stay awake. I have to have the sleep or I just won't function properly.

And like you said, nothing good can come from this.

 

[SteveMcQueen]

I'm all for it if the big teams want to break off and form their own league though. At least they'd know what they'd be doing.

Then you are really naive. You just HAVE to have an independent organisation like the FIA watching the sport and it's rules. If you end up with everything in constructors hands, you end up with some Marketing-Crap like the (current) DTM.

I don't like most of the FIA's decisions recently, but today they sticked to the sports and that's fine with me.

Where should it end? At the next race somebody with Bridgestone tyres comes along and says "hey, we have really serious problems in Turn X - can't we put a chicane there or we have to retire...?".

 

[westwood]

It really looks like there won't be a USGP next year, which is a real shame. There are some big fans of F1 here in the States, though not near as many as there should be. I am still trying to figure out why CRAPCAR is such a big deal. I could go out there and do the same damn thing they do all freakin' day. Though I would probably end up dieing from it because I would fall asleep at the wheel and hit a wall at way too fast of a speed. Outside of F1, the only thing I have to watch that is even fun to watch is ALMS and at times it can get kinda crummy. Though WRC is pretty good, the coverage isn't near as good as it could be.

Michelin really messed this one up though. Though Bridgestone would have had a slight advantage with already having some data on the track conditions. Still no excuse for Michelin big screwup. Though the FIA has really messed up with the stupid tire rule.

This race brought Ferrari right back into the championship picture.

Here is something sad to say. I am watching the CART race and it is much more enjoyable. At least there is real racing going on.



You say this will dial the American market back to CRAPCAR, well I am one of those that won't go back to that severely boring series. I see no entertainment value in the series. I mean I could sit there and go around in an oval all day too. I think I will start to watch ALMS much more seriously now though. I have always been a big fan of the series, just not been very good at watching the coverage. At least there are no real problems with the ALMS and the FIA is in no way involved at all.

Yes, the races are too early for the average American viewer. Even myself, a big fan of F1, have a hard time getting up at that time for races on Sunday. I mean if I stay up late on Saturday night, I can forget waking up for the race because there is no way I will be able to stay awake. I have to have the sleep or I just won't function properly.

And like you said, nothing good can come from this.

my point was that the american market is already dialed into nascar, obviously not all of us but i would guess a very high % of american race fans are. f1 gets 1 race a year to turn people onto f1. with scott speed being their in a 3rd seat role this was a huge opportunity as it helped create more buzz. just so very sad to see it al lwasted.

 

[Brett]

my point was that the american market is already dialed into nascar, obviously not all of us but i would guess a very high % of american race fans are. f1 gets 1 race a year to turn people onto f1. with scott speed being their in a 3rd seat role this was a huge opportunity as it helped create more buzz. just so very sad to see it al lwasted.

Yeah, I understand your point. I am one of those Americans that is trying to figure out what the big deal is with CRAPCAR. It isn't fun to watch at all. Waiting for a crash to happen isn't fun to happen either. I mean nothing good can come from a crash happening, as some kind of serious injury could happen. The only races worth remotely watching are the ones at Sears Point and Watkins Glen and those are only worth watching because they are actually doing real passing, not the fake crap they call passing around an oval. Honestly, I don't even know if having Scott Speed in F1 will really make any difference; though, if he has some good results and maybe a win or two, that could definitely bring some good results. Otherwise, I don't really see it making that big of a difference.

 

[slackbladder]

The race should'nt have gone ahead. Someone should have made a decision yesterday and either made a compromise or cancelled it. ANYTHING would have been better than watching 6 cars going round an empty circuit.
If it had been cancelled there would have been huge disappointment but not the farce we saw today.

 

[Roo]

It was Michelin's fault for not bringing suitable tyres. After that, there was never going to be a solution that all teams agreed with, and would satisfy the fans. So whilst a 6-car race was farcial, anything else would've been wrong in some way. Maybe the FIA will be able to think of some rule to prevent this happening again, although how I've no idea.

 

[shaunsund]

It was Michelin's fault for not bringing suitable tyres. After that, there was never going to be a solution that all teams agreed with, and would satisfy the fans. So whilst a 6-car race was farcial, anything else would've been wrong in some way. Maybe the FIA will be able to think of some rule to prevent this happening again, although how I've no idea.

Absolutely true.
****ing **** race!
The FIA are just a bunch of k**bheads! Why did'nt they go ahead with Michelin's
proposal? To make the chicane?

What a race. What a Farcial race

Good for MInardi and Jordan though

Well done, Monteiro 👍

 

[Famine]

No free GP in America.
People would die.

"Rubens mate! Rubens! Ruby.. Rubes... You remember that comical race last year? You know the one where all the Michelin guys pulled out and people started throwing crap onto the track right in front of you? Well, for all of those loyal fans, we're doing another race there for fr... Rubens? Rubens?"

 

[livemusic]

It was Michelin's fault for not bringing suitable tyres. After that, there was never going to be a solution that all teams agreed with, and would satisfy the fans. So whilst a 6-car race was farcial, anything else would've been wrong in some way. Maybe the FIA will be able to think of some rule to prevent this happening again, although how I've no idea.

I think the only solution would be to remove the "one tire´s set per race" rule off the book.

 

[slackbladder]

I don't know. F1 races have been abandoned in the past (though not often) but something tells me certain factions were determined to make this race happen
Given that it was Michelins fault there should have been a process in which a compromise could have been made.
It would seem the FIA suggested the affected teams slow their cars down on Bend 13 but that's utterly unworkable and dangerous. And it would seem no other compromise was possible.
It just strikes me as incredible that nothing could be done.

Personally I'd rather have not seen a race at all. Some could say it only took place because Ferrari knew that they would make easy points and were determined to stage a race without any compromise. I'm not too sure of that myself (and Ferrari would not admit it if it were true anyway) but 120,000 disappointed fans are better than nearly as many angry ex-fans...

 

[Carl.]

*COUGH*

Coming from PlanetF1.com:

Charlie Whiting

Ross Brawn’s drinking buddy released a letter that he got from Michelin with some smart answers as to why they couldn’t use different tyres on Sunday. But he’s changed the rules for Bridgestone prior to a race so we’ve been here before. It's surprising nobody’s questioned why Whiting changed the tyre rules at the beginning of the 2003 Brazilian GP.

Back in 2003 you were only allowed to take one wet tyre to races, so you had to make your mind up before the event. Bridgestone arrived at Interlagos with their legendary intermediate tyre that was quite good in wet and mixed conditions. Michelin had a full wet that could run in more rain.

When the heavens opened before the race, Whiting delayed the start because the Bridgestone runners wouldn’t have been able to make it round safely. It was clearly Bridgestone’s fault for not bringing a full wet tyre, but as the argument has gone this weekend – they knew the situation…

After delaying the start the field was then sent round Interlagos behind the Safety Car until enough water was taken off the circuit. Had they released the field when it was suitable for the Michelins on full wets, then Fisichella would never have won the race in his Jordan and Kimi Raikkonen may well have got the win.

Nobody complained because it was a safety issue. Fast forward two years and Whiting is not prepared to compromise in another safety situation. This interpretation of the rules when it suits them makes F1 fans deeply suspicius - it's like there was an agenda here from the FIA.

Hmm. (picture me surprised)

 

[qwazy|06]

here's a question;

do you add an asterix to the record books due to this?

do you make a note of this day when you talk about montiero's (sorry i butchered the name) first win and such?

 

[graveslids]

They are talking to fans now on itv............they are all really pissed off! one guys come 9 hours to see this at a cost of $85 and one guys come from mexico! I should think so that they are angry!

I had three of my crew take off work anywhere from Wednesday upto Monday to go to this event, not a race in specificity. Beyond that, one of them had a friend fly in from Ecuador to attend. Want to talk about a money outlay?? I'd be beyond angry had I gone to such extremes to simply attend a sporting event and have my face rubbed in the crap that is F1 politics.

All I can say for today is congrats Tiago, but calm down son, it's a podium yes, but not a realistic opportunity to repeat @ France, or anywhwere else in F1 for that matter. Should make for an interesting qualifying session however.

 

[usernamed]

I don't like most of the FIA's decisions recently, but today they sticked to the sports and that's fine with me.

Yeah...

you didnt pay 1000$+ to go see Ferrari, Jordan and Minardi taking a test session...

edit:

Where should it end? At the next race somebody with Bridgestone tyres comes along and says "hey, we have really serious problems in Turn X - can't we put a chicane there or we have to retire...?".

Isnt it logical that if 70% of the grid's cars are in serious danger, that something should be done about it to "let the show go on"? And not saying "Hey, you screwed up, your problem."

At that time, your main worries should be about 150 000 fans who PAID to see a good GP, not following the FIA's rules...

 

[livemusic]

I know Jordan and kensei were there, let´s see how was their sunday...

 

[kensei]

OK, let's take this issue apart piece by peice...

Most of us agree that the 1 tire per weekend rule is bad, most fans and most of the teams that I have read and heard over the weekend. I and a few others had a nice talk with one of the head engineers for Toyota Thursday on the pitwalk and he explained the issue in detail to us from the Toyota perspective. Few think this one tire per weekend rule is good for F1.

However...that is the rule, like it or not. Michelin knew this ahead of time. It wasn't sprung on them at the last minute.

However...Max Mosley/FIA's dumb rule is no doubt dumb, but it is the rule, nothing new for this race.

So Michelin showed up to the race with tires that didn't and couldn't work for the race. It wasn't the Michelin teams fault that their tires didn't/couldn't work. It was 100% Michelin. It turned out that the tires flown in from France last night wouldn't have worked either (so I heard in the crowd today).

Then....Michelin offered a comprimise with the chicane, which I have just read wouldn't have changed anything anyway. The FIA denied it. They were within full rights to deny it as it was an untested solution but more importantly just because Michelin showed up with a tire that didn't/couldn't race why should the Bridgestone teams be punished. Bridgestone showed up to the race with tires that worked. Sure Bridgestone has also suffered this season because of the one tire per weekend rule...but they showed up with a product that could race...therefore they raced. It sucks to be Michelin but if they can't race well it isn't the FIA's or Bridgestone's fault.

Ferrari blocked the chicane thing (so I have read). So what?!?!?! Ferrari showed up ready to race with their tire partner ready to race. Why should they suffer because of Michelin's issues.

Ferrari, Jordon and Minardi did the right thing. They raced. It is a hollow victory but they won none-the-less.

I am also pleased that ALL of the Michelin teams choose to sit out. This would have been worst if some of them went out and others stayed in. It showed that the concern was safety, not lack of pace (which for that matter Michelin teams were well on pace when they did run).

Indy, IMS and the city of Indianapolis are in no way at fault in any regard. Unfortunately I think they will all suffer because of this.

The central issue was safety. Yes Michelin dropped the ball but it wasn't because of being off pace or something like that. They couldn't have raced safely...

Speaking of safety to all those meathead fans that choose to throw stuff onto the circuit...YOU are the problem. Yes I know you are dissappointed but you didn't need to act like children.

So if someone gets the blame here, today, I would say Michelin is to blame. However in the bigger picture the FIA's rule was (is) the problem. Max Mosley's response to the tire issue, when pressed (all season), of "Well the teams should slow down if they think they have a problem." doesn't cut it and shows an arrogance that is pathetic.

But....the rule is the rule and it wasn't sprung on the teams overnight. Michelin knew it and showed up with a product that didn't/couldn't work. Michelin was not prepared to race. Michelin dropped the ball and Michelin is to blame (regardless of how bad the FIA's tire rule is, it is the rule.)

The unfortunate outcome of this is that F1 has taken a hit in the USA (and the world) that has set it back 10 years or so, maybe even forever! As a fan of F1 who was at the race I personally don't feel "robbed". I saw something historic that won't likely ever happen again. I am sad I didn't get to see my guy Trulli fight for a podium nor did I see the full grid race but I saw what I saw. Indy/IMS/Indianapolis doesn't owe me a thing. If anyone owes us a "refund" it is Michelin and/or the FIA. Don't punish Indy/IMS/Indianapolis for Michelin dropping the ball! I don't expect my money back and my wife and I had a wonderful week in Indianapolis which is a lovely little city. If there is a race here next year my wife and I will be back, no ifs ands of buts.

Part of F1 is the political side and it came to a head today, granted in a very bad outcome. As a fan of F1 I am embarrassed and saddened, but it hasen't taken my love of the sport away....

 

[Brett]

Well at least you took some enjoyment out of the weekend and looking at it positively. I think more people like to take the otherside of the spectrum and that is why we have so much complaining. It is nice to know that someone took some enjoyment in the weekend. You really did pretty much hit everything right on the nail too.

 

[jdoty123]

I love F1. I watch all the races on tv. My first time going to a race was last year in indy (i live in indiana so its really easy to go) and I had a great time. For 365 days i was looking forward to the next time i would get to go and see all the big stars. For those of you who have gone I was in the corner 10 terrace, wonderful seats i think getting to see the slow corners then the hard acceleration to turn 11. I left very early this morning so i didn't hear anything about the requests by michelin to change the course or the fight they were having with the FIA. Everything seemed normal to me, my brother and I actually got to see Reubens and Kimi driving into the pit lane, and I was expecting a good race. The formation lap goes around and people are getting excited, you can feel the electricity in the air as people see Trulli's car come down that back straightaway. When they come out of turn 10 something i had never seen before happend, some of the cars started doing burnouts right there in front of us. It seemed strange to me that the cars with the weaker michelin tires would want to tear them up like that right before a start. Then on the tv i see the cars pulling in, and my heart drops. It all makes sense to me now. The crowd was FURIOUS. I cannot belive that the teams would do that just because the FIA wouldnt change the rules or IMS wouldnt change the track for them. All year Ferrari has been behind with their tires and they have never once complained or tried to get rule changes. The one race, where you would think they would try their hardest to put on a good show to get american fans, they all pull out. I can't even explain how disappointed/angry I am at michelin for what they did. My guess is that this is the last USGP for a while. People will not want to spend their money when they see teams just drop out like that. I know its not right and it makes me mad, but it will probably happen. The European races are very expensive and people come from all over the world to see the race here, and they made that trip for nothing. No apology from the teams or from michelin will make up for what they did. Not only have they lost some long time fans of F1, but they have prevented themselves from gaining many new ones in the US.

 

[slackbladder]

I'm still wondering why the Michelin tyres had a problem on the Indy circuit. Last year no problem. What has changed in the meantime? The new one tyre rule for 2005 and the new surface on the Indy circuit. What actually caused their tyres to fail? Were they faulty? Do tyre companies have to do tests on every F1 circuit to make sure they're up to the job?

Well, it certainly was an event that's not going to be forgotten.
Maybe this will add impetous to a possible break-away championship sometime in the future?
Well, I'm sure we've not heard the last of this.

 

[Matrixhasu77]

Well, this year's USGP has been a complete disappointment in my eyes. I have followed auto racing for five or more years and I've never seen anything like this ever occur in any form of motorsports. I really think this issue should have been handled much better than it was.

Because of this, I feel that I have been "robbed" of the eighty-five dollars I spent on my ticket. Even worse is the fact that I went with someone who had never been to a Formula One race before. As the race progressed, the stand (Corner 10 Terrace) I sat in grew rather rowdy. One fan threw a beer onto the track while several others got into an argument (They were later arrested I believe). Senseless stupidity that should have never occured. After the race ended, I noticed that there were police in full riot gear.

I love the Indianapolis Motor Speedway and think that it is not at fault here. However, I have no love for the FIA or some of its rules. The major issues I feel that need to be fixed are the Single Tire set per race weekend and race fuel for qualifications. I really think that only allowing one tire set per race weekend is a hinderance rather than a cost saver in the long run.

Still, at this point I do not know what to think about today's race. It's all so confusing.

I want my money refunded... 👎