Usgp 2005

[westwood]

And to think Toyota had the pole with Michelins! What a joke!

toyota said they didnt have enough fuel for trulli to last 3 laps.

 

[Gerco]

Well the Constructors and Drivers Championships are really messed up now. Schumi is now only three points behind Kimi and Ferrari is tied with McLaren.

Good for Ferrari and Schumi

 

[Brett]

I'm really starting to like Rubens. He's the only one who didn't seem in denial and who looked honest after the race. MS only gave BS apologetics and Monteiro was having a great time... I understand he's happy, but man, the champain was a bit too much.

I agree with you on this point. Rubens is the only of the three that actually cared that the race was completely bogus. Monteiro couldn't have cared if he had been the only driver left on the track.

 

[Gerco]

I agree with you on this point. Rubens is the only of the three that actually cared that the race was completely bogus. Monteiro couldn't have cared if he had been the only driver left on the track.

Let him be happy it's his first podium

 

[Carl.]

Oh yeah. **** F1 in the US and **** F1 fans!

go Ferrari!!

 

[Brett]

I am completely disappointed in the FIA. I was looking forward to another F1 race and then we get this . . .

 

[Famine]

When?What channel?

ITV1, 11.25pm I think.

I wouldn't set the Sky+ or anything though. It's not going to be exciting.

 

[DevilGTx]

This is not Michelin's fault.
It's the fault of the rules.
The rulemakers are to blame.
Can you blame Monteiro for being happy?
It was his only chance...and HE GOT IT.

But still, all teams, drivers, and cars have to compete within those rules, right?
Change the rules and see one team and man begin to dominate again?

 

[Gerco]

And its a complete joke. Pretty much any of the Michelin teams could have taken turn 13 in first gear and still beaten the Jordan.

But they didn't so they are ****ed up. Schumi is just going to claim his 8th world championship title

 

[Brett]

Well now that the race is over, everyone that paid to go to the race should be returned their money. I also think that I should be compensated for wasting hours of my life watching this complete and utter lack of entertainment/racing. I could have spent those hours playing GT4, instead of wasting the time.

 

[Carl.]

But they didn't so they are ****ed up. Schumi is just going to claim his 8th world championship title

If he does by a margin of 10 points or less, I think I'll stop following F1

 

[Omnis]

After watching Le Mans today, that was PATHETIC... FIA -->

I'm fed up of this. The FIA don't want racing. They don't want competition. They just want money, and to that end -they want Ferrari. Always Ferrari and the FIA going against everyone else. If Ferrari had not been soo arsy, we might have had a race. But then who do you blame?? Not Michelin I say - at least they admitted something was wrong. The FIA and Ferrari would never do that. Tossers.

Down with F1?? Yes please.

PS

I wholly agree. I would have done the same.

are you a complete moron? MICHELIN IS RESPONSIBLE for the cars not racing. It had nothing to do with the FIA or Ferrari, or ANY of the bridgestone teams. You need to get your facts in order. The teams themselves made the order to withdraw from the race, due to michelin's problem. Who do you blame? either Michelin for not providing safe tires, or God for not making humans invincible.

 

[snypa]

After watching Le Mans today, that was PATHETIC... FIA -->

I'm fed up of this. The FIA don't want racing. They don't want competition. They just want money, and to that end -they want Ferrari. Always Ferrari and the FIA going against everyone else. If Ferrari had not been soo arsy, we might have had a race. But then who do you blame?? Not Michelin I say - at least they admitted something was wrong. The FIA and Ferrari would never do that. Tossers.

Down with F1?? Yes please.

PS

I wholly agree. I would have done the same.

I really don't see why you accuse Ferrari. It's not they fault if Michelin didn't do a good job. If Ferrari would have been forced to retire due to tires problems, you wouldn't have said anything. Yous said it here because 7 teams were forced to retire. Well I don't see why ferrari is responsible for that.

Now, speaking about what Michelin proposed :

1.
Installing a chicane in the banking. Oh, what a smart idea ! nobody had run before with this, what would have happened then if a car went in this chicane and hurt the driver ? Else, each time a team would feel bad on a track, he would just say "hey, I'm not fast enough in this curve, you would be nice to change it please " Absurd !

2. coming with new tires without a penalty. It's just forgetting that there are 3 teams and a tire manufacturer that made things in order to respect the rules.

3. The FIA said this :
"Some of the teams have raised with us the possibility of running a tyre which was not used in qualifying. We have told them this would be a breach of the rules to be considered by the stewards. We believe the penalty would not be exclusion but would have to be heavy enough to ensure that no team was tempted to use qualifying tyres in the future.

Another possibility would be for the relevant teams repeatedly to change the affected tyre during the race (we understand you have told your teams the left rear is safe for a maximum of ten laps at full speed). If the technical delegate and the stewards were satisfied that each change was made because the tyre would otherwise fail (thus for genuine safety reasons) and that the relevant team were not gaining an advantage, there would be no penalty. If this meant using tyres additional to a teams' allocation, the stewards would consider all the circumstances in deciding what penalty, if any, to apply. "

So, why didn't they decide to change tires, do the race and see then about the penalty ? At least there would have been a decent race.

I'm not usually nice with the FIA, as I find that they did several wrong things (and I've disussed 3 week ago about the tires problems), but in that case, the FIA is not alone to blame.

Ferrari has suffered the whole season because of their tires, I don't see why they would have to do a gift to other teams in that situation. Nobody would have done that for them in the opposite situation

 

[Sven]

I still don't understand how they decided the tires were at fault. I mean, there have been tire failures in practice before, but that didn't mean the tire manufacturer was at fault. Also, manufacturing defects in idividual tires, though rare, do happen and can go undetected. So it could have just been a couple defective tires, but I don't know how over 56 tires could all have been made so poorly. Bad batch of rubber? do they make all those tires from one batch of rubber?

In any case, if it really was defective tires, then it was primarily Michelin at fault. But the FIA also has a responsibility to settle these kinds of situations in a way that statisfies the teams, drivers, and fans, and that's where they royally screwed up. Also, the FIA's rules could stand to be better thought out. I wonder what made them think no tire changes would make the races safer...

If you ask me, I'd say the FIA is more at fault than Michelin. Michelin certainly screwed up, but at least they owned up to it and behaved responsibly. The FIA was just totally inept.

 

[Carl.]

Once again... they proposed to put a chicane, let the bridgestone runners in front and take no points.

WHAT WAS THERE TO REFUSE TO ACTUALLY SAVE THE RACE TO HAPPEN??

Michelin made a mistake, but they made up for it. If the FIA and Ferrari just wanted to demonstrate that they don't give a **** about the sport, well, it's nicely done.

A concession here would have easlily avoided this stupid joke.

 

[Gerco]

The FIA just did what they had to do

 

[SteveMcQueen]

This is not Michelin's fault.
It's the fault of the rules.
The rulemakers are to blame.

Complete Bull****. The had to bring the right tyres and they failed miserably. Bridgestone did a better job.

I feel sorry for the fans at the track, some even travelling from Europe over there to watch it, but I agree with the FIA sticking to the rules. In the end, this is a sport. Some of you americans might disagree, because your sports are more ruled by entertainment and TV money, but that's it.

If Bridgestone would have had any problems with the fast turns - would all the Michelin-Teams have agreed to setting up a chicane or bending the rules to allow the Bridgestone teams to have a race? NEVER!
Think about it.

 

[Azuron]

Everyone is at fault for this one, pretty much, except for the teams. Michelin brought two types of tire that weren't safe to run on the track, and didn't allow their teams to run even following FIA's crappy suggestions. FIA is at fault for not adapting in just about any way to the tire issues at hand, in order to hold an event even somewhat resembling a Grand Prix, and not shoot themselves in the foot with a rocket launcher in the market they have said for years that they really want/need to get a strong foothold in. Michelin teams could not race if they wanted to have tires for the French GP, and there wasn't any reason for the Bridgestone teams to give up the almost free points by not driving around for 73 laps.

 

[Carl.]

Sure, thousands of fans, who pay thousands of dollars each to get there and see a (easily avoidable, given something called flexibility - that or half a brain) farce like this don't matter. Neither millions of fans watching worldwide. Rules are rules.

 

[SteveMcQueen]

In any case, if it really was defective tires, then it was primarily Michelin at fault. But the FIA also has a responsibility to settle these kinds of situations in a way that statisfies the teams, drivers, and fans, and that's where they royally screwed up. Also, the FIA's rules could stand to be better thought out. I wonder what made them think no tire changes would make the races safer...
If you ask me, I'd say the FIA is more at fault than Michelin. Michelin certainly screwed up, but at least they owned up to it and behaved responsibly. The FIA was just totally inept.

The Michelin-Teams could have run the race. They could have taken the critical turns with lower revs and speed or just one gear lower or even switch the tyres every 5 laps. But they didn't want to loose the race, so they found it more suitable to get out of it in front of all the fans to create a big controversy. Who's here to blame?

I bet most of the drivers would have taken the risk anyway. Coulthard said, if it would have been his own decision, he would have run the race. It's always dangerous and they get paid for it.

 

[kikie]

Thats pretty much what I was thinking.

Here is the press conference afterwards:

Well how did the race go?

It was a real tough one. We had to fight the Jordans and Minardis all day. They are extremely fast and the rest of the field should be scared.

...but the team did a good job...!!!!

 

[DevilGTx]

Yes, the Michelin-shod cars could've raced and simply slowed a bit for 13.
The teams could've used more df and sacrificed top speed.
That's the whole point. Michelin did what they were required to do.
The rules indicate that the teams had to use the tires THAT THEY REQUESTED!
BUT, the teams are not going to put their drivers and machines in extra danger.
Tire makers are allowed to bring two compound types to the race + wets.
Michelin's original intentional compund for this race was denied by FIA.

 

[kikie]

It was just a conspiracy, to get MS closer to his 8th world champion title. It's always been this way. He doesn't deserve his previous 4 titles (maybe only 3 of them).
He is not the best F1 driver. My personal opion.

 

[Zardoz]

Sure, thousands of fans, who pay thousands of dollars each to get there and see a (easily avoidable, given something called flexibility - that or half a brain) farce like this don't matter. Neither millions of fans watching worldwide. Rules are rules.

Wrong.

Its a spectator sport, folks, not a religion. It exists solely because of the support of the fans and spectators. It does not exist in some sort of vacuum.

This complete lack of consideration for the very people who make the game possible is going to have very far-reaching ramifications, and none of them will be positive.

 

[Carl.]

Zardoz, I think you didn't get the sarcasm in the post.

 

[DevilGTx]

NASCAR is the original "racing for the people."
F1 has alway been propagated by the aspects pertaining to the machine.

In other words :
Drivers evolve NASCAR.
Cars evolve F1.

{EDIT}
Drivers who have the ability to adapt are the ones who succeeed in both.

 

[Solid Lifters]

The FIA just did what they had to do

They had to make a bad business decision? Explain please.

 

[Sven]

Wrong.

Its a spectator sport, folks, not a religion. It exists solely because of the support of the fans and spectators. It does not exist in some sort of vacuum.

I believe the post you were replying to posessed what is known as "sarcasm."

 

[usernamed]

Michelin's fault for not being ready for the tires. (They appologized to the fans)

FIA's fault for not figuring out a solution.

Ferrari's fault for not realizing the harm this will do to F1.

Jordan's fault for not letting Ferrari race alone.

The Michelin TEAMS have nothing to be blamed about. They were concerned for the drivers, and did what Michelin told them to do.

Looks like no more F1 after 2007 ...

 

[Raf Laureys]

Monteiro third, and he was so happy, Jean todt seemed happy too... MS didn't seem happy, what a joke. The only way they can put this straight is to give the American crowd a new GP, this time a real one and give them next years GP for free just to show some respect.