VR has ruined GTS for me.

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I'm prone to motion sickness so it's my fault I couldn't accustom myself to it but I'd recommend it to other people to give it a try. It does look good and the experience (minus the green gills:ill:) was mind blowing. VR is something that every video game player has to try at least once.
 
Even in GT Sport, I'm using the VR hardware. I turn it on, jack up the "screen size" as far as it will go, then race in cockpit view. I have to look left and right when turning left and right, and also need to turn to look in my rear view mirror at "DAMN YOU BEETLE GO AWAY PLEASE!".

It's awesome. The only issue is the very slow drift right that I have to reset for occasionally.
 
It might well be a contributing reason not many people have picked it up yet. I do wonder what the actual statistics are for people getting motion sickness as in my experience everyone who has tried psvr at my house had no issues. The big problem still is that you can't really try it out anywhere and any 5 minute session will leave you initially disoriented. It's like throwing someone into their first fps game having never played video games before and ask after 5 minutes, you want to pay big bucks to play this?

The motion sickness problem might never be resolved for everyone as plenty people suffer from it without vr. Some people get it while playing on tv. Yet cars and video games still became main stream :)

Actually it might get worse with bigger fov tricking the brain even more into perceived motion. All the comfort options are to limit to limit visual motion while VR headsets would like to open up the fov to the full 150 degrees per eye. However with room scale games and static view points it should get better with higher frame rates, less lag and more stable tracking.

Do you have any issues with games like Statik (sit in a chair pretty much all game), Bound (auto teleporting camera), Superhot or Fastastic contraption (you move around in the word).

Astrobot is one of the most comfortable games atm. Camera movement is very limited and stable while you physically look all around and move your head to get a view of the level.


The only solution for car sims would be a fully moving simulator that matches the car movements. It already exists, with better VR headsets it will be mindblowing :)

Yeah not getting that in the living room in my life time lol. And it would still cause motion sickness in those prone to it. Plenty people wouldn't survive racing down Mount Panorama in real life either without coming out feeling a little green.


The problem I have is that the experience is somewhat inconsistent. I've played Superhot and games like that and I felt okay, but not great. I guess for me some game types can be worse, but really the issue can be with any game. I can even play the same VR game and feel fairly okay afterwards (never great, but tolerable, let's say). Then one day I'll play it and it will leave me feeling absolutely terrible, which then ruins my entire evening. And I've never been susceptible to any motion sickness in cars, other games, etc. Hell, I used to race motocross in my younger years and never had a hint of that kind of thing. Something about VR where your mind experiences something your actual body doesn't.....it throws me for a loop.
 
and secondly, it has genuinely ruined my experience of every game ive tried with it. It just feels so much better, natural and cooler to play a game in VR, why would I wanna do anything else.
No offense but in all honesty that logic is really stupid its like saying i don't want to play PS2 games because PS4 graphics are much better.
 
No offense but in all honesty that logic is really stupid its like saying i don't want to play PS2 games because PS4 graphics are much better.

It's more like PSVR has ps2 graphics though ;)

A better analogy would be, I don't want to play with D-pad anymore as analog sticks are so much better.
 
Plenty of people think like that. What's stupid about it?
Whats so stupid about it? simple graphics don't make the better by default if the gameplay is **** for example if someone played GT6 now with the servers down and GT4 on the PS2 whille GT4 may look worse and have less content it is far more enjoyble.
 
Whats so stupid about it? simple graphics don't make the better by default if the gameplay is **** for example if someone played GT6 now with the servers down and GT4 on the PS2 whille GT4 may look worse and have less content it is far more enjoyble.
But there are plenty of enjoyable games with better graphics than PS2 era games. I don't play enjoyable PS2 games because there are so many enjoyable PS4 games. Also, in my experience, overlooking the graphical hit is much easier when I have played and enjoyed the game before. Nostalgia is a very powerful feeling.
 
But there are plenty of enjoyable games with better graphics than PS2 era games. I don't play enjoyable PS2 games because there are so many enjoyable PS4 games. Also, in my experience, overlooking the graphical hit is much easier when I have played and enjoyed the game before. Nostalgia is a very powerful feeling.
Thats what im saying aswell im just against the logic Better graphics = better game by default that the OP kinda followed . By the way for the record i have 0 nostalgia.
 
Thats what im saying aswell im just against the logic Better graphics = better game by default that the OP kinda followed . By the way for the record i have 0 nostalgia.
The PSVR has significantly worse graphics than regular gameplay. However it does give such a significant ammount of immersion and gameplay advantage that GTS without it feels like a significant downgrade.

I'm also literally playing GT4 right now.
 
i don't want to play PS2 games because PS4 graphics are much better.
That's exactly why I don't want to play PS2 games. There were plenty of enjoyable PS2 games but I've got no wish to play any of them, unless they get a huge facelift.

In the case of VR it's all about immersion. For me, being inside the the game's world is an amazing experience. Rez, Wipeout, Resident Evil, Superhot, (I could go on) are all games I have no interest in playing in pancake mode.
 
The PSVR has significantly worse graphics than regular gameplay. However it does give such a significant ammount of immersion and gameplay advantage that GTS without it feels like a significant downgrade.

I'm also literally playing GT4 right now.
I could understand your point if GTS could by fully played in VR instead of a 2 lap race only. Oh if only i could play GT4 again (properly ) as the last time i played it i didn't knew what i had to do. A bit off topic question did you ever had an issue with the save becaming corrupted.?
 
That's exactly why I don't want to play PS2 games. There were plenty of enjoyable PS2 games but I've got no wish to play any of them, unless they get a huge facelift.

In the case of VR it's all about immersion. For me, being inside the the game's world is an amazing experience. Rez, Wipeout, Resident Evil, Superhot, (I could go on) are all games I have no interest in playing in pancake mode.
thats understandable.
 
I could understand your point if GTS could by fully played in VR instead of a 2 lap race only. Oh if only i could play GT4 again (properly ) as the last time i played it i didn't knew what i had to do. A bit off topic question did you ever had an issue with the save becaming corrupted.?
The problem is when a game like wipeout IS the full game and then I go play GTS and its basically only time trial mode, my brain just says, "go play wipeout some more".

The point of the first post was to get across that I just dont really have the desire to play GTS when there is such a game changing feature present in the game that only takes up a very small amount of it. I just sit on the menus thinking "I wanna drive in VR, but I can only drive in time trials soooo ill go play sport mode". And then after one race, "Wow this game is so much more fun to drive in VR". And then after one lap of the Nordschleife, "Well that was fun but I want more VR... Anyways, I'm gonna go play a different VR game".
 
Perhaps the 'half a car' option is all that is needed for GTS to have either multiplayer or multi-AI racing on PS4?

I have a feeling it is something many of us with PSVR would accept (as long as the full car option were retained for one-vs-one AI mode we have now) happily.

'Tech demo' is spot on. Currently, the only thing GTS VR makes me want to do is buy a gaming PC so I can play VR PC2, LOL
 
Wife got me PSVR for Christmas. Lucky me! Also helps her brother works for Sony..

Tried GTS today; and ok, it’s pretty awesome. Like really awesome, it may become the only way I’ll play GTS, though pancake mode is still great.

It’s the first game I’ve ever played in VR, and there was a little motion sickness but not terrible. It will take some time to work up to the faster circuits and cars. I found abrupt dips, multiple turns in quick succession and sharp turns are the toughest to get past the dizziness spells.

Next time I’ll probably use one of the slowest cars on flattest tracks possible. Today it was the Type R NSX and Type E Jag at Tokyo, Audi R8 at Nord, and Porsche 996 at Tsukuba. Though not terrible, but suprisingly Tsukuba gave me the toughest time, and some of the hills at Nord.

Great experience!
 
Wife got me PSVR for Christmas. Lucky me! Also helps her brother works for Sony..

Tried GTS today; and ok, it’s pretty awesome. Like really awesome, it may become the only way I’ll play GTS, though pancake mode is still great.

It’s the first game I’ve ever played in VR, and there was a little motion sickness but not terrible. It will take some time to work up to the faster circuits and cars. I found abrupt dips, multiple turns in quick succession and sharp turns are the toughest to get past the dizziness spells.

Next time I’ll probably use one of the slowest cars on flattest tracks possible. Today it was the Type R NSX and Type E Jag at Tokyo, Audi R8 at Nord, and Porsche 996 at Tsukuba. Though not terrible, but suprisingly Tsukuba gave me the toughest time, and some of the hills at Nord.

Great experience!

Congratulations! Tsukuba makes me feel slightly ill in pancake mode, There's something about that sequence of corners that's just not right! Mount Panorama is awesome in VR, it's so steep! And of course the Nordschleife. Use the Volkswagen bus for a great cruise around the Nord in VR.
 
Wife got me PSVR for Christmas. Lucky me! Also helps her brother works for Sony..

Tried GTS today; and ok, it’s pretty awesome. Like really awesome, it may become the only way I’ll play GTS, though pancake mode is still great.

It’s the first game I’ve ever played in VR, and there was a little motion sickness but not terrible. It will take some time to work up to the faster circuits and cars. I found abrupt dips, multiple turns in quick succession and sharp turns are the toughest to get past the dizziness spells.

Next time I’ll probably use one of the slowest cars on flattest tracks possible. Today it was the Type R NSX and Type E Jag at Tokyo, Audi R8 at Nord, and Porsche 996 at Tsukuba. Though not terrible, but suprisingly Tsukuba gave me the toughest time, and some of the hills at Nord.

Great experience!
You honestly need to pick up Dirt Rally, Drive club and Wipeout in VR.

GTS looks good, but it's akin to a very limited tech demo in comparison to the other three.
 
I agree with the sentiment. Much like how Resident Evil VR has ruined horror games, GT Sport VR is too good for its own sake despite how neutered PD has made it. I even put together a portable rig just for it alone;
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As a 90's kid VR was the "dream" and with the above it gives a legitimate taste of that childhood fantasy.

PD needs to simply put ego aside and embrace the tech as part of the bigger picture of gaming for Sony and entertainment in general. They could, overnight, unhook some elements to make the VR experience fuller and inspire racers all around the world with online time trial shares, ghost shares, 1v3, a.i. adjustment, drift challenges, daily TT challenges, etc.

I get that it's a cultural disconnect. Sure.

But it's so silly because time trials are such a big part of motorsports and an even bigger part of affordable grassroots motorsports! So it isn't as if they are inventing some sort of gimmick (looking at you 'FIA e-racing') to make the tech fit into their narrative, it works in the big picture of introducing people to the sport, hobby, lifestyle, etc. and it fully embraces a large, relatively underviewed community of motorsport.

Here just shooting from the hip; two simple steps for online VR Solo 1 & 2 racing league. N100, N200 and N300 leagues. One car in each class so they don't even need to waste energy on BoP. Miata, Mini Cooper S and Xbow R. Factory ABS no TC no assists set on all. A flat parking lot with cones. The parking lot exists in game, the cones exist in game, we aren't inventing anything new here. Have an automated procedural generated course maker create 50-70 second course variations of laid out cones. Standing start. Knock a cone, get a -2 second penalty on your time. You get (5) practice runs before you get (3) timed runs. Fastest run counts. There's Solo 2 done.

Next, Solo 1, a smaller track (Tskuba, Brands Indy, Kyoto) with a few ghost cars running on track as 'color.' You have (5) practice laps. Then three hot laps to string together and your fastest lap counts. More than two wheels off is a DQ for that lap and the next.

This cannot be that difficult to implement. It's something that would directly translate to the real world of motorsports for many aspiring would-be's around the world.
 
More VR fun today. No motion sickness! 👍👍👍

Started out with the Fiat 500, probably the slowest car in the game. Drove around Tokyo and then Nord. Felt good.

Then I upped the power to the Toyota 2000GT, still felt good.

Then the Trans Am, ‘89 BMW, same tracks. Even tried the Honda Beat at Horsetheif Mile and Bathurst. That car is actually more fun than I would have thought. Still no sickness even with the hills and sharp turns.

So for the final run of the day I took out the Ferrari 512 at Nord and really pushed it. Finished the lap with a time of 9:12” or thereabouts. Still felt good. No illness! I’d say I played around 90 minutes and never felt a twinge of dizziness.

I’ve met my new infatuation. Now I want to try all the cars. Would be great if PD would expand the VR offerings with some events and more cars on track.
 
I'm prone to motion sickness so it's my fault I couldn't accustom myself to it but I'd recommend it to other people to give it a try. It does look good and the experience (minus the green gills:ill:) was mind blowing. VR is something that every video game player has to try at least once.

Don't have VR and won't be getting it, however I tried my grandsons VR on my PS and GT sport for 4hrs yesterday and Kilesa is correct you have to at least try it once.

Between normal and VR the difference is unreal, to the point that it completely changes your impression / experience of some tracks.

Fuji, Brands, Dragon Trail and the Nordschleife (wow) stood out for me.

I found it too blurry but I'm sure that was 100% down to my configuring it poorly.

For me, I would be wanting to upgrade to a pro as well as buying the VR and with PS5 not that far off I won't be doing this, that added to the limited options in VR are the only reasons I haven't ran out and bought one straight away after tryng it.

If you have a PS Pro already and like time trial, there's a lot worse ways to spend 230 quid.
 
If you have a PS Pro already and like time trial, there's a lot worse ways to spend 230 quid.

Don't be put off by that price guys. I picked up my PS VR from my local CEX shop second hand for £155. PS camera was another £20.

I loved it so much I'm now selling my PS VR....strange comment to make maybe... but it's because I've bought a PC and am going to buy an Oculus Rift for full VR compatibility on Assetto Corsa, Project Cars 2, Race Room etc etc.

PS VR basically made me realise I want to take sim racing to the next level :-)
 
I think the GT world championships in 2020 or 2021 will be in VR..

A VR only championship would be amazing. I would definitely participate.

In addition to the immersion of VR, feeling like you’re sitting up high in the SambaBus, or squashed in the tiny cabin of the Beat, or slunked down in the RX-7, the cars drive believably or how I would imagine them to drive. From the loose steering and boatiness of the Dodge Challenger and ‘63 Corvette to the grippy GT race cars, their authenticity is even more pronounced in VR.

And not only the cars, but the tracks are a new world in VR. La Sarthe was not like anything else I’ve ever experienced, GTS or otherwise. The track seems immense, and the turns seem deeper. Quite amazing stuff this VR.
 
One thing I meant to add; I noticed that PD has accurately modeled the shifting patterns. Normally I couldn’t see the animations in non-VR mode, but the dogleg pattern is correct on the Diablo and F40 (maybe others). Too bad there’s no option to change the shift pattern in-game. They really need to get with the program and allow some control flexibility like most other games such as PC2, DiRT, SLRE, and even VR4.
 
Sounds so good the VR, I still haven't tried it:banghead: it must make it so much better, i`m just thinking about how rubbish a regular tv view is for playing a car game, it`s probably the same as driving your car with complete tunnel vision, where you can only see a rectangular view and nothing else either side etc...hmmmm:boggled:
 
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