Wallbanger's 1st annual million credit FF Summer Shootout!(6/19/11 final 7/17/11)

Welcome aboard Acan.

Soon as Onboy gets back I'll have him add you on the front page with a link to your tune.

Good luck.
 
Need a little assistance.

What is the weight distrobution of the Civic Type-R 08 @ 1051kg, and what is its wheelbase?

I appteciate any help, its getting close deadline, it should get interesting when all the Tunes are locked in.
 
Aren't you on your PS3? Can't you check? I'll check on wiki, as it should be the same as the one in GT5. Weight distribution though, I can't help…
 
Need a little assistance.

What is the weight distrobution of the Civic Type-R 08 @ 1051kg, and what is its wheelbase?

I appteciate any help, its getting close deadline, it should get interesting when all the Tunes are locked in.

Hi Mate. Check your PMs, I sent you this yesterday evening.

Also just resent it. :dopey:
 
Aren't you on your PS3? Can't you check? I'll check on wiki, as it should be the same as the one in GT5. Weight distribution though, I can't help…

He's done "something" with his PS3 which makes it so that he can't update past 1.06 or whatever one forces you to have the newer firmware.
 
Need a little assistance.

What is the weight distrobution of the Civic Type-R 08 @ 1051kg, and what is its wheelbase?

I appteciate any help, its getting close deadline, it should get interesting when all the Tunes are locked in.

Is that from the NCD or UCD?

Also is that stock weight or with weight reduction?

Never mind!:D
Looks like someone already got you the info.
 
Need a little assistance.

What is the weight distrobution of the Civic Type-R 08 @ 1051kg, and what is its wheelbase?

I appteciate any help, its getting close deadline, it should get interesting when all the Tunes are locked in.

I'm pretty sure its 60:40
 
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Hi Mate. Check your PMs, I sent you this yesterday evening.

Also just resent it. :dopey:

Yeah, thanks, looks like my PP is set. I just need the W/D abd wheelbase. I figured a 61/39 split for the 08 4 door. I think the wheelbase is arround 2700mm. It's after full weight reductions sitting at 1051kg. The game as of 1.10 should display this info. As RJ said, I'm stuck on 1.06 till I pick up a second PS3.
 
As a tester I have a request.... PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop thinking that shifting your brake bias to the back with help u trail brake a FF car, or make the ass end step out, (cure understeer). It DOESNT HELP. I repeat, it DOESNT help. All yer doing is robbing yourself of straight line braking ability... Two things win races, tires and brakes...(yes and suspension geometry, so do even say it). Since tire are out of the equation it's who will be able to brake the latest... So please stop, makes lapping cars quickly very difficult. Btw, I'm done with two more cars, once I'm off this stupid airplane and FINALLY home, I will post my results.
 
As a tester I have a request.... PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop thinking that shifting your brake bias to the back with help u trail brake a FF car, or make the ass end step out, (cure understeer). It DOESNT HELP. I repeat, it DOESNT help. All yer doing is robbing yourself of straight line braking ability... Two things win races, tires and brakes...(yes and suspension geometry, so do even say it). Since tire are out of the equation it's who will be able to brake the latest... So please stop, makes lapping cars quickly very difficult. Btw, I'm done with two more cars, once I'm off this stupid airplane and FINALLY home, I will post my results.

Absolutely disagree. I'm daring to say, urdoinitwrong.
Currently running 2/10 on brake bias. :sly:
 
As a tester I have a request.... PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop thinking that shifting your brake bias to the back with help u trail brake a FF car, or make the ass end step out, (cure understeer). It DOESNT HELP. I repeat, it DOESNT help. All yer doing is robbing yourself of straight line braking ability... Two things win races, tires and brakes...(yes and suspension geometry, so do even say it). Since tire are out of the equation it's who will be able to brake the latest... So please stop, makes lapping cars quickly very difficult. Btw, I'm done with two more cars, once I'm off this stupid airplane and FINALLY home, I will post my results.

Absolutely disagree. I'm daring to say, urdoinitwrong.
Currently running 2/10 on brake bias. :sly:

Me too , 1 or 2 FF of the 15 +- i've tested are not needing this setup. But most of them yes, absolutely. Without ,they are like a cargo train under brake. There is a dose to apply on the brake, medium to light to work trail braking. Over this force, doesn't help no more.
 
In an attempt to hopefully head off any sort of heated debate on the subject of brakes, I'd like to suggest that different peoples driving styles make certain brake setups for them more effective and others find it very difficult to match times with the same brake setup.

As an example I was recently given a car setup for Nürburgring. The car was very fun to drive except I had a terrible time keeping it on the track due to the brake setup. The tuner, who admittedly is most likely a much better driver than myself, had the brakes set to a very low value. Since I tend to brake hard and late you can imagine what happened when I hit my usual braking points.
 
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Absolutely disagree. I'm daring to say, urdoinitwrong.
Currently running 2/10 on brake bias. :sly:

I agree with you, with a higher front brake bias, the front wheels just lose traction and you go into understeer
Im using 3/8 or something like that. And I still found slight understeer but I didnt want to lower it to much or the car would never stop
 
Uuuuh.... Ok. That why all the racecars I see everyother weekend... Have REALLY big brakes in the back... Umm no... But ok. Do it up. I'll drive anything. Just remember that EIGHTY PERCENT of you stopping force will be in the front... BECAUSE YOU ARE driving FORWARD.... there is a 60 page GT tuning guide on line for free . Use it.
 
Uuuuh.... Ok. That why all the racecars I see everyother weekend... Have REALLY big brakes in the back... Umm no... But ok. Do it up. I'll drive anything. Just remember that EIGHTY PERCENT of you stopping force will be in the front... BECAUSE YOU ARE driving FORWARD.... there is a 60 page GT tuning guide on line for free . Use it.

I don't know real race cars and real settings. But i feel this in the game. I prefer a lighter brake that allow me to turn, than a most powerfull one that just can be use on straight driving line.
That's all i know and it work.
 
Uuuuh.... Ok. That why all the racecars I see everyother weekend... Have REALLY big brakes in the back... Umm no... But ok. Do it up. I'll drive anything. Just remember that EIGHTY PERCENT of you stopping force will be in the front... BECAUSE YOU ARE driving FORWARD.... there is a 60 page GT tuning guide on line for free . Use it.

Problem: ABS 1 rewards heavily rear-biased brake distribution. Most if not all of the tuners are setting their brakes for use with ABS 1 (including myself/Adrenaline), so keep that in mind and don't run the obvious ABS-abusing brake bias settings with ABS shut off. There's very rarely "too much" rear brake with ABS set to 1 as they will never actually lock, though too much front is very easy to run into (overstressing fronts can/does happen w/ ABS on). Basically, GT5's ABS system is too good and open to abuse. There's rarely reason to not run rear-biased if you have ABS on.
 
Maybe it's a game issue, idk.. But I will give this caveat...if u want to beef up the backs u must up the fronts as well. And yes u can have TOO MUCH braking force and lock the fronts and slide... Braking is SO SO SO important. I can't say this enough. The suspension and and brakes can help eachother... If it helps u that's cool, it's yer game and I completely understand.
 
Maybe it's a game issue, idk.. But I will give this caveat...if u want to beef up the backs u must up the fronts as well. And yes u can have TOO MUCH braking force and lock the fronts and slide... Braking is SO SO SO important. I can't say this enough. The suspension and and brakes can help eachother... If it helps u that's cool, it's yer game and I completely understand.

Well I understand that entirely. My point is w/ ABS on, there is no such thing as too much rear. Too much front is possible but not rear.
 
Uuuuh.... Ok. That why all the racecars I see everyother weekend... Have REALLY big brakes in the back... Umm no... But ok. Do it up. I'll drive anything. Just remember that EIGHTY PERCENT of you stopping force will be in the front... BECAUSE YOU ARE driving FORWARD.... there is a 60 page GT tuning guide on line for free . Use it.

Okay, #1, bias has nothing to do with the size of the brakes, it has to do with the amount of hydraulic pressure applied to them.
#2, trail braking i used on a bunch of race cars. In circle or dirt tracks, you purposely set it up, so that you can overpower the RR brakes, while trail braking with the LR tire to help the car turn.
#3, it's physics. Tires have grip, which can be used for 3 things, either simultaneously, or independently. Braking, Accelerating or turning.
100% tire grip, 3 possible variables at each tire.
If you are braking and turning, a percentage of your grip is dedicated to braking, which lowers the turning ability of that specific tire.
#4, heat. GT5 tire indicators, show stress and heat. By applying more front brake bias, you induce more heat to the front tires, which reduced your level of grip through the corner on the front tires, causing more understeer.

None of the above even matters, because I can prove it with lap times. I can consistently run 4-5 tenths quicker per lap when using trail braking in these FF 500PP cars at GVS.

So you can read as many tuning guides as you want, but lap times are the true measure of a car/tune. You can tune your car 'by the book' all day every day and I'll continue to tune mine by what provides the fastest lap times. If you want to be slow and justified in your 'realism' then by all means, that's your prerogative. You'll have to forgive me for not taking advice from someone who has yet to prove their tuning ability or driving skill. So until you do, you'll understand why I'm reluctant to care what you think. :)
 
I take no offense at all, you tout that this game is so real and blah blah blah... And brake bias has nothing to do with rotor size? Are u retarded? That's why lmp1, NASCAR, lemann, Indy, formula, he'll even all the touring, SCCA cars all have super small undersized brakes... Oh wait.... No they dont... Not too mention high end production cars like Lamborghini, porsche, ferarri, the all put really small brakes on their cars too... Oh wait.... Not ONLY that, but as the new and FASTER cars come out the brakes keep getting bigger and bigger... Don't be stupid. And as far as driving ability I've been in the top half of the fastest drivers in the COUNTRY in SCCA solo 2 ... So don't preach to me about physics and grip. I've lterally forgotten more about tuning and driving cars than you'll ever know. I'm not sure if u read my last post but I conceded. I said that if that's how u want to set up your car have at it. It's YOUR game, do whatever u want. And as far as my times on this game goes I'll have them posted tomorrow... We will see where I stand.... Btw... I'm not trying to "win" anything I'm just here as a neutral entity to test cars for the comp. That is all...
 
And before u even respond- yes you can also change the bias with hydraulics, and other means... I didn't mention it because it goes without mentioning...
 
You are, if I'm not mistaken, a race driver or a mechanic at least right? And can you take this to PMs or somewhere else other than……here, say? It really spams the thread up and it might get mods involved…and that's the last thing anyone wants…
 
My eclipse has bigger brakes in the front. The bias setting controls the fluid pressure, so my 3/7 setting evens the brake force... That said, have your opinion but please be respectful.
 
And before u even respond- yes you can also change the bias with hydraulics, and other means... I didn't mention it because it goes without mentioning...

Youmadbro?

The point was you implied in your original response to me, that 'bigger brakes' was the way to obtain a larger rear bias. Then made some silly comment about race car brakes have smaller rear brakes, which is humorous because your second response to me, was about how the brakes keep getting bigger on newer and faster cars and how all the SCCA cars run huge brakes. So you're already contradicting yourself within a span of 3 posts. Followed by blatant ignorance, in assuming your driving or tuning knowledge is beyond my own. It may very well be, but it's an awfully bold thing to blindly assume.

But as requested, this shall be my last response in regards to you and this subject. Have a :) and a coke!
 
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