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Swift
Has anywone heard the new retarded bill that just got passed in Maryland about healthcare and Walmart?
No, and I am too lazy to look for it. Please tell.

EDIT: You took too long and I looked.

Walmart mulls legal challenge to MD Law

By TOM STUCKEY, Associated Press Writer
Fri Jan 13, 6:43 PM ET


ANNAPOLIS, Md. - Wal-Mart Stores Inc., faced with a new Maryland law designed to pressure the retail chain into spending more money on health insurance for its employees, is considering a challenge to the groundbreaking legislation.

Sarah Clark, a Wal-Mart spokesman, said Friday the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the Maryland Chamber of Commerce had questioned the validity of the law.

"I'm sure that is something our attorneys are looking into as we decide our course of action," she said.

The law was enacted Thursday when the Democratic-controlled legislature overrode Republican Gov. Robert Ehrlich's veto of a bill it passed last April. The law, the first of its kind in the nation, requires companies with more than 10,000 employees in Maryland to spend at least 8 percent of payroll on health insurance or pay the difference into the state Medicaid fund to help pay for health care for low-income Marylanders.

Bentonville, Ark.-based Wal-Mart is the only company in the state that currently would be affected by the law, which will take effect Jan. 1, 2007. It has about 17,000 employees at 53 stores and two distribution centers in Maryland and was planning on building a distribution center on the Eastern Shore, which the governor said may now be in jeopardy.

Supporters say the law is needed because Maryland is underwriting the cost of health care for many Wal-Mart employees who can't afford to pay their share of insurance premiums. Democratic leaders, who pushed the Fair Share Health Care Fund Act through the legislature, said they did not know how many people were involved or what the cost was to the state.

Wal-Mart has not provided specific information on its Maryland employees, but Clark said earlier this month that more than three-quarters of the retailer's total 1.3 million employees have health coverage through the company, their family or Medicare. The retailer also announced in October that it was launching a plan to lower insurance premiums for workers.

Supporters and opponents produced conflicting legal advice on the validity of the law in the days leading up to the veto override.

Henry A. Smith, a Baltimore lawyer who reviewed the law for the state Chamber of Commerce, said it violates the federal Employee Retirement Income Security Act, which pre-empts state efforts to regulate employee benefits.

"Any state attempt to regulate an employee benefit plan is pre-empted by the federal employee benefit law because of the Congress' belief that a single federal regulatory scheme for employee benefits is preferable to 51 separate, varying state schemes," Smith said.

Smith said there have not been any court cases dealing with a law identical to the Maryland statute. But he cited "a very close case" from the District of Columbia in which a federal court struck down a law mandating employee benefit levels because it was pre-empted under federal law.

Ronald Wineholt, vice president of the Maryland Chamber of Commerce, said the business group probably does not have legal standing to challenge the law, but he hopes a lawsuit will be filed.

"This law is ripe for a legal challenge," he said.

But the state attorney general's office advised the governor and the legislature before the veto override votes that the law does not violate the federal statute.

"The Fair Share Act does not specifically refer to employee welfare benefit plans," said a letter signed by Democratic Attorney General J. Joseph W. Curran.

Wal-Mart could avoid paying the assessment by such methods as reducing payroll or cutting employees below the 10,000 threshold.

Kenneth Stanton, an assistant professor of finance at the University of Baltimore, who is a critic of the law, said Wal-Mart might be able to avoid paying into the Medicaid fund by creating a second Maryland company and dividing employees between the two companies.

Wal-Mart had little else to say Friday about the bill. "We are pausing and evaluating the situation thoroughly at this point," Dan Fogleman, a spokesman, said in an e-mail.

Labor unions, who heavily pushed for the Maryland bill, said they would pursue similar legislation in at least 30 other states.


Yep, that's retarded. Of course I am not surprised to see labor unions involved.

That is doubley stupid. First of all, labor unions aren't involved in Wal*Mart and have no place pushing this bill through. Second, by making Wal*Mart carry better coverage you make the employees feel that they need your organization even less, and so you won't get into Wal*Mart and you won't get all those 1.3 million labor dues.
 
FoolKiller
No, and I am too lazy to look for it. Please tell.

EDIT: You took too long and I looked.

Walmart mulls legal challenge to MD Law




Yep, that's retarded. Of course I am not surprised to see labor unions involved.

That is doubley stupid. First of all, labor unions aren't involved in Wal*Mart and have no place pushing this bill through. Second, by making Wal*Mart carry better coverage you make the employees feel that they need your organization even less, and so you won't get into Wal*Mart and you won't get all those 1.3 million labor dues.


Yep, not to mention the fact that walmart was about to put a distrubution center in somerset county Maryland that would bring in over 700 jobs. Now they are reconsidering the feasibility of such an act.

The thing that makes me mad the most is that the democratic legilation did it for NO other reason then to shove it in the face of the republican governor. They did it again with the minimum wage bill. There are many reasons I don't like living in Maryland, but the stupidity of our house of delegates is on the top of the list. 👎
 
Swift
Yep, not to mention the fact that walmart was about to put a distrubution center in somerset county Maryland that would bring in over 700 jobs. Now they are reconsidering the feasibility of such an act.
As in it won't be "feasible" to work with such idiots?

There are many reasons I don't like living in Maryland, but the stupidity of our house of delegates is on the top of the list. 👎
At least your governor didn't fly his plane into a no-fly zone in DC for Reagan's funeral. 👍
 
FoolKiller
As in it won't be "feasible" to work with such idiots?


At least your governor didn't fly his plane into a no-fly zone in DC for Reagan's funeral. 👍

I talked to a guy at the gym last night and he was all for this stupid law. He had a few good points. Like local tax incentives and traffic expenses. But then he said, "The Walton family makes billions and they have workers that make 8 and 9 bucks an hour" Well, yeah. and if they don't want to work for 9$ an hour get an education or learn a trade. It's that kind of thinking that keeps the liberals in Maryland in office. :yuck:
 
Swift
I talked to a guy at the gym last night and he was all for this stupid law. He had a few good points. Like local tax incentives and traffic expenses.
It would take more than that to get me to agree to forced healthcare plans, especially when targetted at a single company.

Actually I can't think of anything that would get me to agree to that.
 
So, what is my opinion on Wal-Mart?

Well, they make for good restrooms! Otherwise, I really don't want or need anything else from there though.
 
kyle
So, what is my opinion on Wal-Mart?

Well, they make for good restrooms!

Target's are cleaner, so if you see one close, go there instead. :sly:
 
...Wow, should be rename this "Night of the Living Dead-Thread"?

I work for Steve and Barrys, and I have been informed many times that we are "worse" than Wal Mart. I can't complain. I get paid $7.75 an hour to do a job that I like and isn't too hard, plus a 30% discount and more than enough hours to make me very happy. It has been easy to get promoted, and given that the baisic wage at our store is $7.00, that is FAR better than what people get paid at Wal Mart.

...Funny thing is, there has been plenty of hubbub about several Wal Marts opening here in West Michigan. The area around me is baisicaly "home turf" for the Meijer store chain, and although their stores are for the most part limited to the Midwest (Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio and Kentucky) it has once though impossible for Wal Mart to come to West Michigan. They did, and they have been partially successful, and they have been planning to open up more stores. Funny part is, they tried to build a Wal Mart by the Meijer Headquarters, it didn't fly.

...I'll gladly pay the extra money at Meijer as compared to Wal Mart, as I know my money is going to a "local business" that employs thousands of West Michiganders, pays farmers across Michigan and the local states, and helps fund public-works projects around my hometown.
 
YSSMAN
...I'll gladly pay the extra money at Meijer as compared to Wal Mart, as I know my money is going to a "local business" that employs thousands of West Michiganders, pays farmers across Michigan and the local states, and helps fund public-works projects around my hometown.

I feel the same way but on a national scale. Wal mart sells so low that many of the suppliers have a hard time making good profits.
 
Swift
I feel the same way but on a national scale. Wal mart sells so low that many of the suppliers have a hard time making good profits.

But they buy so much of whatever the product is, that it keeps the company in business/running. They may not make HUGE profits, but they wouldn't sell the product unless they made atleast some profit.
 
SRV2LOW4ME
But they buy so much of whatever the product is, that it keeps the company in business/running. They may not make HUGE profits, but they wouldn't sell the product unless they made atleast some profit.

Actually, some reports I've read have stated that some suppliers would stop selling in Wal Mart but it would kill their exposure and they would lose market share. Many of the items sold at walmart the supplier onlymakes a few pennies on. I'mnot saying walmart is the devil. But I don't mind paying a bit more knowing it helps keep a few thousand people employed.
 
Well, and generally speaking the price differences between Wal Mart and most local stores is generally only a few cents on the dollar. Quite frankly, I'd rather pay the extra $.50 on a pound of ground sirloin to support local business and farming, as it helps them much more than it helps me in the long-run.

As a Republican, and someone who applies to that political party for some financial reasons, it is very strange that I hate Wal Mart so much. Part of my problem is that they have baisically perfected what most other business couldn't do. They take capitalism to an entirely new level, and they do it quite well.

...BTW: On a scale of 1-10, how popular would you say Wal Mart is in your area?

Around here I'd peg it at about a 6 or 7, but Meijer (think Wal Mart Supercenter, been around since the 1930s) and Target seem to be more popular.
 
A Walmart here posted a petition customers could sign protesting the state's "regulation" of gasoline prices. Walmart's position was that they could sell us gas cheaper if the state would let them. Just a tiny bit of research showed that the only state regulation on gasoline pricing is that it can't be sold at a loss. Nowhere on the in-store display was that fact mentioned. I asked the manager about that, and the next day noticed the petition display was gone.

It's that kind of mis-leading spin that gives people a bad taste about Wal-Mart. They are perfectly willing to absorb a short-term loss to become the only player in town.

I shop at Wal-mart for many items (toothpaste, shampoo, milk, Tourist Trophy, printer ink) because they ARE cheaper than anywhere else, but there are things I would have to go elsewhere for, like clothes and shoes.
 
YSSMAN
...BTW: On a scale of 1-10, how popular would you say Wal Mart is in your area?

Around here I'd peg it at about a 6 or 7, but Meijer (think Wal Mart Supercenter, been around since the 1930s) and Target seem to be more popular.

8-9 easy. You should see the one that's close to the Target Greatland. Target is empty and the smaller walmart is filled.
 
Wallmart is SATAN . I stay away ...but ..you guys who go there ....whats he really look like ..?
 
Swift
8-9 easy. You should see the one that's close to the Target Greatland. Target is empty and the smaller walmart is filled.

Walmart's just cheaper. I go to the exact ones you're talking about actually (Constant Friendship?), and I usually hit the Target for a bump in quality.


I've been going to Walmart more and more, though - plus they've got that Subway in there now. 👍
 
Zrow
Walmart's just cheaper. I go to the exact ones you're talking about actually (Constant Friendship?), and I usually hit the Target for a bump in quality.


I've been going to Walmart more and more, though - plus they've got that Subway in there now. 👍

Yep, that's what I'm talking about. I was actually talking to someone that works in the Target in Bel Air and they said that greatland in Abingdon is sinking. That's why the built up the one in bel air.

I hate Subway, so :yuck: I just hate going to Wal-Mart because you can't walk down the aisles! They've got DVD bins and Ritz crackers out in the middle of them! It drives me nutz!

So, I only go to Wal-Mart for oil, that's about it. And the occasional microfiber towel.
 
wfooshee
A Walmart here posted a petition customers could sign protesting the state's "regulation" of gasoline prices. Walmart's position was that they could sell us gas cheaper if the state would let them. Just a tiny bit of research showed that the only state regulation on gasoline pricing is that it can't be sold at a loss. Nowhere on the in-store display was that fact mentioned. I asked the manager about that, and the next day noticed the petition display was gone.

It's that kind of mis-leading spin that gives people a bad taste about Wal-Mart. They are perfectly willing to absorb a short-term loss to become the only player in town.

I shop at Wal-mart for many items (toothpaste, shampoo, milk, Tourist Trophy, printer ink) because they ARE cheaper than anywhere else, but there are things I would have to go elsewhere for, like clothes and shoes.

I love it. Either oil is too high, or businesses are evil for losing money so you can save a buck.

Why should you complain about a company that is willing to sell to you at a loss?
 
danoff
I love it. Either oil is too high, or businesses are evil for losing money so you can save a buck.

Why should you complain about a company that is willing to sell to you at a loss?

I mean this with all honesty. Unless walmart gas was 50cents cheaper then anything else I could find, I wouldn't touch the stuff.
 
Swift
I mean this with all honesty. Unless walmart gas was 50cents cheaper then anything else I could find, I wouldn't touch the stuff.

I doubt i'd touch the stuff in general, as the price usually reflects the quality. With prices as low as they were planning to sell it at, I could see some cost cutting measures being done which would definitely affect the quality of whats being pumped into peoples cars.
 
Swift
I mean this with all honesty. Unless walmart gas was 50cents cheaper then anything else I could find, I wouldn't touch the stuff.

That's why they want to sell it for a loss. So they can entice people to try it in hopes that they'll realize it's decent gas.
 
SRV2LOW4ME
I doubt i'd touch the stuff in general, as the price usually reflects the quality. With prices as low as they were planning to sell it at, I could see some cost cutting measures being done which would definitely affect the quality of whats being pumped into peoples cars.
I've got news for you - regular grade gas is nothing but a commodity. Even the major-label brands don't care who's it is. Independent retailers buy from whichever refinery/distributor is most cost-effective, and that can vary from week to week.

If Sunoco has a refinery/distributor that is notably closer to the local Exxon/Mobil station, you can bet that the "Exxon" lower grade gasolines are pure Sunoco. All the major brands have more or less reciprocal deals like this - so somewhere there is a Sunoco station pumping Exxon's regular, too. The commodity price is the same, and each company saves money on transporting their gas and delivering it in tankers.

So do you really think WalMart is going to bother trying to cut their gasoline with something to stretch it? It's gasoline, not heroin. Just like any independent minimart gas station, WalMart is going to buy their gasoline from a variety of regional distributors who will offer them the best wholesale price they can give. And since WalMart can buy a lot of it, they're likely to get a better deal on the same gas.
 
danoff
That's why they want to sell it for a loss. So they can entice people to try it in hopes that they'll realize it's decent gas.

Right, then they raise the price back to the "average" after they've gained the market share.

I get the idea. I just don't think it's worth supporting walmart for a few pennies a gallon. Now 50cents...that's a different story ;)
 
Swift
Right, then they raise the price back to the "average" after they've gained the market share.

Yes, but, they'll only survive that raise if they have a quality product. So either way you don't lose. Either you signed on a for a quality product, or you got a cheap product at cheap prices.
 
Duke
I've got news for you - regular grade gas is nothing but a commodity. Even the major-label brands don't care who's it is. Independent retailers buy from whichever refinery/distributor is most cost-effective, and that can vary from week to week.

If Sunoco has a refinery/distributor that is notably closer to the local Exxon/Mobil station, you can bet that the "Exxon" lower grade gasolines are pure Sunoco. All the major brands have more or less reciprocal deals like this - so somewhere there is a Sunoco station pumping Exxon's regular, too. The commodity price is the same, and each company saves money on transporting their gas and delivering it in tankers.

So do you really think WalMart is going to bother trying to cut their gasoline with something to stretch it? It's gasoline, not heroin. Just like any independent minimart gas station, WalMart is going to buy their gasoline from a variety of regional distributors who will offer them the best wholesale price they can give. And since WalMart can buy a lot of it, they're likely to get a better deal on the same gas.

I somehow didn't realize that, even though my uncle drives a gas truck and fills up at the same place as a bunch of other guys, so good point. This can't always be the case though, as i've learned from buying gas around here that not every company is the same. Pioneer (a cheaper Canadian gas chain) does have lower grade fuel then whats sold at the Sunoco station down the street from it. Its most notable in my mothers van (never put it in my car), when she fills up on Pioneer 87, the engine is less responisive and idles worse then with Sunoco. I can actually get into her van and pull out of the driveway and immediatly feel what type of gas is in her tank.

Although, in our area there was a place downtown that was selling cheaper gas then the rest of the pumps in this city who were basically adding to their tanks so we could save a penny. Shortly after, it caught up on them when a bunch of vehicles started having problems and it was determined that they had all purchased their fuel at the same place. I'm not sure what happened legally after that, but the gas bar was closed down for a while and basically became a smoke shack in our downtown core (it also sold discount smokes, go figure). It changed hands and opened back up about a year and a half after all this went on, but I still don't trust the place. This is what I think of when I hear "cheap gas" and stay away from it whenever possible.

Even Maxim (highly reputable magazine, I know) did a special where they tested 87 Octane gas from 5 different companies, all in the same area. The test results showed that the octane ratings differed by up to 4 octives (?), which tells me if they're getting it from the same place, then something else is up.

Basically what i'm saying is, just because its bought from the same refinery doesn't mean something isn't added to the mix when its pumped into the tanks. The companies selling the cheaper fuel can usually do so because they're doing something others aren't and should be avoided if you like having a clean running engine.
 
Wal Mart has been lobying to build more fuel stations here in Grand Rapids, for the most part without success. While it would be nice to save what would generally ammount to a dollar or two on a tank, atleast in our cities we have a far greater appreciation for our local businesses.

As of right now, there are only two Wal Marts within an hour of my home, and one more will be added next year. The latest one required a ton of lobying by Wal Mart, and they had to conform to a ton of local building standards in order to open a new store. The best part is, they are building across the street from a Meijer store, a franchise that has been in Grand Haven since the 1960s.

...I'll bet money on Meijer staying strong against the Super Center...
 
About two months ago, I went to Wal*mart early one Sunday morning. I didn't have any other time to shop, and there were about 10 people in the store. The power went out about 5 minutes into my shopping, and so the auxillary power kicked in (about 25% of the normal light). It was still plenty enough for me to see, since the store's normally so bright inside, it's probably forms a constellation on some other planet.

Well, the mamanger wanted all 10 of us to march up front, and stop pushing around their carts. There were plenty of store personell to block the aisles so we couldn't pick anything off the shelves. The cashiers had enough power to cash us out from what we'd already put in our carts. But I had a lot more stuff to buy...I didn't want to make another trip, since I figured I picked an ideal time to go shopping.

Instead of being forced to go to the chasier, I told the manager how ludicrous this was. I told them how I could see, there's no water on the floor, I've been coming here for 4 years, et cetera. He didn't care...no shopping, it's a liability. I told him, "It's an inconvience to come back" and "You're not prepared to handle the annual rainy season"...he told me to stay put or just see the cashier with what I have in my cart.

Yours truly found a third option, leaving the cart and walking out to my car in the rain. I haven't returned since for anything. Their customer service is awful; I'm not going to be treated like cattle. I don't care how cheap, or how available, or how much stuff they have, I've had enough of their crap.
 
Good story, but unfortunately that is policy at most stores during a power outage. Where I work (Steve and Barry's University Sportswear) we have power outages quite often, and when it does happen we as employees must escort everyone out of the store and manually close the gate untill power comes back on.

We have only had a full-power outage once, on my day-off, and we followed procedures as we normally would. Of course there were plenty of upset customers, but if one was to be hurt by tripping on a two-way or slipping on a dropped T-Shirt, the company would be liable for what had happened, and thus the customer would reserve the right to sue us.

It is stupid how business works sometimes, no?
 
danoff
Why should you complain about a company that is willing to sell to you at a loss?

My point was not that the business is evil for being willing to take a loss. I'm all for buying gas at 25 or 50 cents a gallon cheaper if WalMart is willing to eat the difference. The problem is that they take the loss as an anti-competitive measure, to drive the independant out of business. Their national volume allows reduced margins, which is tough enough on Mom-and-Pop type places, but to sell for a loss and be happy is not good business, and as an anti-competitive measure, it's not good for me as a consumer in the long run. That's the purpose of Florida's "not-below-cost" law in the first place.

When I was in college there were 2 locally-owned record stores near campus, where you could buy your music at a decent price. (This was before CDs, real music was on vinyl, tasteless persons used those tape thingies that played in the car.) A chain called Turtle's (I think) came in and had a HUGE selection at a dollar or two less than the existing stores per LP. Now, an LP was usually $7.99, so a dollar or two was significant. In a matter of weeks, the local stores were empty, and the Turtle's went to $9.99 per album. They were the only game in town, now, and suddenly that 2-dollar difference went the other way. So how did I, as a consumer, come out ahead in this?

As for Wal-mart's gas being less than what other brands have, the fuel depot here in Panama City is run by Chevron, but it supplies EVERY STATION for our county, and most in adjacent counties around us, with ALL the gasolines they sell. There may be certain chemical additives put in as the tank truck fills up at the depot to differentiate, but the fuel itself at any station is no different from what any other station has. It's all supplied from the same depot downtown. I buy from the cheapest station, but I won't drive 20 miles to save 2 cents a gallon, that would be stupid. :dunce:
 
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