Waste of time

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I feel the more I play online the more I’m wasting my time I have worked my way up to SR S just to find the drivers are dirtier thinking they have a chance of winning to be knocked back down to A then B then C ......

Been playing Monza tonight and the penalties are just stupid when people are ramming you off the track and you come back with -SR and a penalty.

Managed to get my DR up to 13000 to go back down to just under 11000 where I stared the night and my SR the lowest it has ever been.

They need to sort this because otherwise it’s just a waste of time.

Each race I started between 4-6th and lucky if I finished in the top 10.
 
ChrisWAFC
I feel the more I play online the more I’m wasting my time I have worked my way up to SR S just to find the drivers are dirtier thinking they have a chance of winning to be knocked back down to A then B then C ......

Been playing Monza tonight and the penalties are just stupid when people are ramming you off the track and you come back with -SR and a penalty.

Managed to get my DR up to 13000 to go back down to just under 11000 where I stared the night and my SR the lowest it has ever been.

They need to sort this because otherwise it’s just a waste of time.

Each race I started between 4-6th and lucky if I finished in the top 10.
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It seems that everyone starts 4th and ends up outside the top10!

Im sure you’re focusing too much on the negatives. What about the times you started outside the top10 but finished 4th?

(Although if that does keep happening to you then it seems like a pattern in your own driving!)
 
I can’t race any cleaner as never really over take as make up places from other people’s mistakes only for them to ram me off as soon as they get chance.

It’s get to the point where it isn’t fun hence it gets turned off.

I don’t know tho how the game can’t detect your on the track then you get hit and your off the track that the penalty goes to the person hitting you ?

The worst one on Monza is the invisible cars reappearing too slow right in front of you or you move to got round them for them just to swerve into you anyway.

I just can’t get my head round how this can happen in every SR level ive been in.
 
I did a monza race yesterday. I started 13 and made my way to 10 and 9. Until I got punted off and made my way again until a invisible car punted me off when I tried to overtake it.

I finished last in one of the worst races I ever had.

Gt sport needs to bring stop and go penalties along with some penalties from Project Cars 2. Motorsport comes with strict penalties its time to now implement it.

A tribunal system or a steward system would be good.
 
There's no question in my mind that SR S should be harder to achieve.
And that's on PD to sort out.

But when people advocate shortcut/cheat ways to get SR S and people who don't deserve that grade use those techniques, it doesn't surprise me at all that these experiences happen.
 
To be honest, it was always going to be mayhem at Monza, regardless of your rank. If you're struggling to be competitive, have you considered deliberately dropping your DR to a lower rank? I had reached mid B but had no wins, no poles, no fastest laps but plenty of trouble from others. Dropped to a D and now I win regularly, get poles and FLs and my SR has been 99 for ages now. Just because the game rates you as B doesn't mean you have to accept it, there's no shame in dropping if it brings you pleasure and results in the game! Control your DR to a level that suits your skill, not the level the game believes you are skilled at.
 
ChrisWAFC
I feel the more I play online the more I’m wasting my time I have worked my way up to SR S just to find the drivers are dirtier thinking they have a chance of winning to be knocked back down to A then B then C ......

Been playing Monza tonight and the penalties are just stupid when people are ramming you off the track and you come back with -SR and a penalty.

Managed to get my DR up to 13000 to go back down to just under 11000 where I stared the night and my SR the lowest it has ever been.

They need to sort this because otherwise it’s just a waste of time.

Each race I started between 4-6th and lucky if I finished in the top 10.
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Know your point`s way to good sadly , I couldnt help notice that you wrote you went from 13000 to 11000 - where do you see those numbers ?
 
Tassie_tiger
There's no question in my mind that SR S should be harder to achieve.
And that's on PD to sort out.

But when people advocate shortcut/cheat ways to get SR S and people who don't deserve that grade use those techniques, it doesn't surprise me at all that these experiences happen.
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Funny that these "shortcut/cheat" methods are allowed in the game and perfectly acceptable within the driver rating algorithm designed by Polyphony Digital, but by all means, let's blame the players for doing all they can to get away from the carnage found in the lower levels of the driver ratings created by that same Polyphony Digital. 👍👍

#pdcandonowrong
 
Johnnypenso
Funny that these "shortcut/cheat" methods are allowed in the game and perfectly acceptable within the driver rating algorithm designed by Polyphony Digital, but by all means, let's blame the players for doing all they can to get away from the carnage found in the lower levels of the driver ratings created by that same Polyphony Digital. 👍👍

#pdcandonowrong
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"And that's on PD to sort out."

Your reading comprehension could do with some improving.
 
Tassie_tiger
"And that's on PD to sort out."

Your reading comprehension could do with some improving.
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Yes, you said it's on PD to sort out how hard it is to get to SRS...and then went on to blame the players for using the game mechanics designed by PD to their advantage in order to avoid the carnage at the lower levels. How can it be cheating when it's just a different approach to the same game? Reading comprehension indeed.
But when people advocate shortcut/cheat ways to get SR S and people who don't deserve that grade use those techniques, it doesn't surprise me at all that these experiences happen.
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ChrisWAFC
I feel the more I play online the more I’m wasting my time I have worked my way up to SR S just to find the drivers are dirtier thinking they have a chance of winning to be knocked back down to A then B then C ......

Been playing Monza tonight and the penalties are just stupid when people are ramming you off the track and you come back with -SR and a penalty.

Managed to get my DR up to 13000 to go back down to just under 11000 where I stared the night and my SR the lowest it has ever been.

They need to sort this because otherwise it’s just a waste of time.

Each race I started between 4-6th and lucky if I finished in the top 10.
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Forget about Monza is my advice.

I'm in BB and have been for a few weeks now (barring Saturday to Tuesday just gone - don't ask) and I find the racing brilliant and fair. I dropped to C at the weekend and the difference was astonishing - people intentionally ramming each other on straights, or taking retaliation on corners! It was like a different world.
 
I have an idea
Instead of having a penalty you can burn. Have a Drive club style 50% throttle lock for the penalty .If you get hit from the rear your penalty will be expunged if you go off track for 2 seconds. I find my self burning off penaltys naturally while coasting through certain sections .If it was a 15 second 50% throttle you would chill out .
 
My driver ratings are over rated :lol:

I think way to much is made out of this, why worry about SR and DR over just playing the game. We all know it's a flawed system so I just ignore it.
 
Not at all a waste of time. I started in december my GT Sports career, and i have never drove racing simulations before. You can call me a noob or absolutely beginner, that is ok. But with hard work and concentration on the races and doing a long good qualifiying, you can earn many points from the races.
I follow a simple strategy: First i take a look on some top ten. Then i do qualifying rounds. At least minimum 10 rounds. There more rounds, the better you get the track for the upcoming race. I'm never in the top tens, but i take care of it, that my best round is at least maximal +2 secs difference from the slowest top ten driver.
Then i enter the next race. Mostly i race the C with 10+ rounds and pit stop. Try to avoid any contact to others and take care of all others. Use the radar to see where others stays while doing chicanes and hairpins. If you battle with one, and he is strong or cant handle corners, stay away from him, let him pass. It is ok. Overtake only in very good spots, long straights are perfect. Chicanes not so. Let room for the other players, especially when you cant defend the inside of a corner.
Read your opponents and decide what is to do. And at least, keep cool. If you lost some places then you lost some places. But the more you work hard on your racing style, the more you can grow up and get better results. Thats all. Look at my stats and trust me, im really a beginner :) http://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=3890621
 
Johnnypenso
Yes, you said it's on PD to sort out how hard it is to get to SRS...and then went on to blame the players for using the game mechanics designed by PD to their advantage in order to avoid the carnage at the lower levels. How can it be cheating when it's just a different approach to the same game? Reading comprehension indeed.
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You know mate that I've been here since beta saying that the SR rating system is not working.You know I've been getting a lot of heat in these forums for that subject alone from people that were thinking that the system will sort itself out,it will improved and sr classes will be eventually be sorted out in some magical way.
Still -beta till now- my opinion is the same and valid:SR (and actually DR for various reasons) is not working as it should and PD must fix it.
This is a PD problem since the beta and still is the same.But I will never use that as an excuse for dirty driving or using bugs in order to either gain SR or DR.
They system has a problem,thats one thing.That system does not create dirty drivers: people are either dirty or clean because of their mentality.Same goes for their skills:fast sim races are just that.Slow sim players are slow.The DR system is not going to make people go faster,thats up to them.SR system is not going to make a dirty driver change and become a clean one.
PD needs to fix their rating in order to make lobbies are they should be.And needs to ban dirty drivers -from Sports mode at least-.
 
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I did Monza for the first time last night, what a mistake that was. I find the driving cleaner and fairer in general at the higher levels (as it should be), but it does tend to mean cars are closer, people are less inclined to make silly moves but more Moves that they think are fair and end up being a bit 'rude'. Monza is just custom made for carnage, high speed, lots of slipstream opportunity and long, hard braking points. I only gave it one race. Maybe better if they spread the field a little further apart at the start, or here's an idea, standing starts.
 
Glad to see it wasn't just me but its such a shame as I really like the track.

Regarding my racing level and times I feel comfortable on B in a clean race but really struggling finding cleans races since going back to SR C again :(

Another bad night and ill be in D and no idea what it will be like in that.

Lets see what tonight brings.
 
SR C is hell. I dipped into there on the weekend and I was reminded how bad it is. Just sit at the back and get your SR back to B at least, before racing competitively again.
 
Some SR S drivers are very dirty, the difference between then (the dirty SRS's) and the lower ranked ones, is that they can manage their penalties and the system... this weekend I was in a race in kyoto that the first 12 guys (all S/S or A/S) were within a second in the qualify times... such a promising race was completely destroyed (at least for me) by a canadian guy who managed to throw me out of track in the breaking zone of the chicane (the one in the middle of the yamigawa track) and got no penalty at all...
 
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Shottah072
TBH you need way more DR points to get to drive with good drivers. At 12K you wont find much good drivers. High SR doesnt help much as its easy to achieve even for bad drivers.
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Explain to me,if you will,how DR is related to SR.
There are a some DR A and S drivers that either cheat or drive dirty exploiting the problems of the SR system and managing a better DR rating.The same way that SR S does not mean "clean driver" -on that we agree-,DR A does not mean "good" since some can use(d) bugs to gain/maintain DR points.
 
JulesDennis
Explain to me,if you will,how DR is related to SR.
There are a some DR A and S drivers that either cheat or drive dirty exploiting the problems of the SR system and managing a better DR rating.The same way that SR S does not mean "clean driver" -on that we agree-,DR A does not mean "good" since some can use(d) bugs to gain/maintain DR points.
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I find the racing better and cleaner in DR B than DR D or C tbh.
 
JulesDennis
Explain to me,if you will,how DR is related to SR.
There are a some DR A and S drivers that either cheat or drive dirty exploiting the problems of the SR system and managing a better DR rating.The same way that SR S does not mean "clean driver" -on that we agree-,DR A does not mean "good" since some can use(d) bugs to gain/maintain DR points.
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SR gives you points when u dont crash or touch other, or dont get much penalties.
DR gives you points when you win, or climb places up, always in relation to the strength of the field.

SR is connected to DR. If your SR gets low, DR is capped then.

Info from kudosprime:
"A low SR score can limit the DR Class, and even reset the DR score to predefined values (7000 pts if SR dive below 5, 20,000 pts below 15 and 50,000 pts below 30."
 
Robben
How dare you! 🤬

:lol:
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:scared: :P

JulesDennis
Explain to me,if you will,how DR is related to SR.
There are a some DR A and S drivers that either cheat or drive dirty exploiting the problems of the SR system and managing a better DR rating.The same way that SR S does not mean "clean driver" -on that we agree-,DR A does not mean "good" since some can use(d) bugs to gain/maintain DR points.
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Ow i agree. High DR doesnt automaticaly mean clean driver as well. But overall high DR should be more capable drivers who have more car control then the lower tiers. More car control allow for better racing. IME the higher the lobby's strenght of the field the better the racing. But of course there will still be some fools in the higher ranks as well. I know some very fast A S drivers who have the pace to be S but not the racecraft.

The only real relation between SR and DR is that your DR cant surpass your SR rank afaik.
 
Robben
I find the racing better and cleaner in DR B than DR D or C tbh.
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I actually think that all depends of what standards you have in the first place.Imo SR S should be clean drivers no matter their pace.Being fast/faster/alien does not mean that the same guy is clean.That works the other way around:being a slow driver does not mean he is dirty (or clean).
Pace is not the factor here.How clean and fair (and experienced) someone is the major factor.
I've seen aliens that are super clean,I've seen aliens that are super dirty (in various sim games).


Blacki2k2
SR gives you points when u dont crash or touch other, or dont get much penalties.
DR gives you points when you win, or climb places up, always in relation to the strength of the field.

SR is connected to DR. If your SR gets low, DR is capped then.

Info from kudosprime:
"A low SR score can limit the DR Class, and even reset the DR score to predefined values (7000 pts if SR dive below 5, 20,000 pts below 15 and 50,000 pts below 30."
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So SR caps the DR in some cases.But like I said,since the SR can be exploited and people used bugs to get win after win,both means nothing since its easy to boost SR and DR without being actually a clean driver (or fair) -via cheating or exploiting the rating system-.
I stand to my opinion.A/S does not mean "clean" the same way C/S does not.
 
Robben
I find the racing better and cleaner in DR B than DR D or C tbh.
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The best experience i did is to race in S/S. Mostly they all know the track and break points exactly. The problem here is, that in the races is not much space between the cars. If anyone makes a small failure, not by intention, there are always more cars involved.

But, well, in S/S you have drivers too which going in rage sometimes. And the battles get harder in the final round, especially in curves when the pack doesn't have much space...
 
JulesDennis
I actually think that all depends of what standards you have in the first place.Imo SR S should be clean drivers no matter their pace.Being fast/faster/alien does not mean that the same guy is clean.That works the other way around:being a slow driver does not mean he is dirty (or clean).
Pace is not the factor here.How clean and fair (and experienced) someone is the major factor.
I've seen aliens that are super clean,I've seen aliens that are super dirty (in various sim games).



So SR caps the DR in some cases.But like I said,since the SR can be exploited and people used bugs to get win after win,both means nothing since its easy to boost SR and DR without being actually a clean driver (or fair) -via cheating or exploiting the rating system-.
I stand to my opinion.A/S does not mean "clean" the same way C/S does not.
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The point is that the higher the DR, the more experienced the driver and the better they know 'racecraft' as I have seen people terming it. Allowing others space and using correct lines/braking.

I 100% say that racing in BB is better sportsmanship/less bumping than CB
 

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