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I stand to my opinion.A/S does not mean "clean" the same way C/S does not.

Not at all. You found dirty drivers in all levels, especially when they go to rage. But S/S or A/S can be a identifier that the player has more knowledge about how to race and mostly more knowledge about the track, which means, the more knowledge they have, the more cleaner gets the race, because there are less failures.

In the other side, i played with some drivers, they had C/B and played very well too. But after all, it is not a real indicator how the driver acts.
 
The point is that the higher the DR, the more experienced the driver and the better they know 'racecraft' as I have seen people terming it. Allowing others space and using correct lines/braking.

I 100% say that racing in BB is better sportsmanship/less bumping than CB

You gain DR points by getting high finishes or wins.More of them (against similar or higher DR drivers) more gain for you.That does not mean you did not cheat or used dirty moves to gain those positions/wins.
Since we are talking about "clean" racing and not "hot lap pace",DR is not an indication of "clean racers".
Its one thing to claim that in higher DR races,the SR is more accurate than lower DR lobbies and its different so say "Low DR=dirty drivers".

Not at all. You found dirty drivers in all levels, especially when they go to rage. But S/S or A/S can be a identifier that the player has more knowledge about how to race and mostly more knowledge about the track, which means, the more knowledge they have, the more cleaner gets the race, because there are less failures.

In the other side, i played with some drivers, they had C/B and played very well too. But after all, it is not a real indicator how the driver acts.

Sorry mate but a player that has more knowledge or experience does not equal "clean".Like I said,hot lap pace is not the major factor:a super fast guy can be either clean or dirty.And since the game is "problematic" in terms of penalties/SR rating system,its even more easy to manipulate it to race fast/dirty with zero problems to your SR (if you are ...experienced enough in manipulating the system).
 
I believe knowledge and experience (and practice) is what states someone’s DR. Can’t get up there without a lot of practice and getting the experience of how some drivers behave, giving you the knowledge of what to do and what to expect on track. It’s not always going to be great and you will have those people who are just terrible but you’ll be fine lol adjust yourself accordingly
 
I agree with what has been said as I have a friend who is DR B but around 20k points and never seems to have the issues I have.

He has bad races like everyone but keeps his SR S/A most of the time.

I really don't understand what all these dirty drivers get from the game tho ?
 
You gain DR points by getting high finishes or wins.More of them (against similar or higher DR drivers) more gain for you.That does not mean you did not cheat or used dirty moves to gain those positions/wins.
Since we are talking about "clean" racing and not "hot lap pace",DR is not an indication of "clean racers".
Its one thing to claim that in higher DR races,the SR is more accurate than lower DR lobbies and its different so say "Low DR=dirty drivers".



Sorry mate but a player that has more knowledge or experience does not equal "clean".Like I said,hot lap pace is not the major factor:a super fast guy can be either clean or dirty.And since the game is "problematic" in terms of penalties/SR rating system,its even more easy to manipulate it to race fast/dirty with zero problems to your SR (if you are ...experienced enough in manipulating the system).
You gain DR by finishing high consistent. Unexperienced or dirty drivers, even if they are fast, will have a harder time gaining DR when they lack consistency. Thats why i said ive seen A S drivers who could be S S if they had a little better racecraft. And i've seen S S who were maybe a little slower but always manage to stay out of trouble and get good finishes.
 
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You gain DR points by getting high finishes or wins.More of them (against similar or higher DR drivers) more gain for you.That does not mean you did not cheat or used dirty moves to gain those positions/wins.
Since we are talking about "clean" racing and not "hot lap pace",DR is not an indication of "clean racers".
Its one thing to claim that in higher DR races,the SR is more accurate than lower DR lobbies and its different so say "Low DR=dirty drivers".

It is true, yes, but you can't get to SR S or A, or even B, if you use dirty driving to win. For a start, you need to be qualifying high which, if you can't race properly, you won't be able to do.

I agree with what has been said as I have a friend who is DR B but around 20k points and never seems to have the issues I have.

He has bad races like everyone but keeps his SR S/A most of the time.

I really don't understand what all these dirty drivers get from the game tho ?

I did the 86 race at Suzuka yesterday and there was one guy who drove really badly - in the room after the race everyone was messaging him saying he ruined the race etc. It's much less tolerated when you start moving up the ranks 👍 (and I say that as someone not far above you :lol:)


The other thing is that people who have worked hard to gain DR are less likely to act petulantly or try and retaliate potentially ruining their own race, than those in the lower ranks
 
I believe knowledge and experience (and practice) is what states someone’s DR. Can’t get up there without a lot of practice and getting the experience of how some drivers behave, giving you the knowledge of what to do and what to expect on track. It’s not always going to be great and you will have those people who are just terrible but you’ll be fine lol adjust yourself accordingly

Yes,these are some factors.Pure pace is also another one.There are always young guns that can outrun more experienced sim racers.Also another factor is how fast someone can understand or adapt to the mechanics of the game.
A 10 year user of iracing could propably have more difficulties to find his pace in GTS (or rFactor or Pcars) than a 3 year Forza user.

You gain DR by finishing high consistent. Unexperienced or dirty drivers, even if they are fast, will have a harder time gaining DR when they lack consistency. Thats why i said ive seen A S drivers who could be S S if they had a little better racecraft.

Yes thats true (general speaking).But you also wroted this:

TBH you need way more DR points to get to drive with good drivers. At 12K you wont find much good drivers. High SR doesnt help much as its easy to achieve even for bad drivers.

If by good you mean "fast" I agree.If you mean "clean" then its not nesseseraly true (thats my point).

It is true, yes, but you can't get to SR S or A, or even B, if you use dirty driving to win. For a start, you need to be qualifying high which, if you can't race properly, you won't be able to do.

Oh,yes you can.You can be using dirty tactics to gain DR and manipulate the SR system to keep it at top level.Then only thing you absolutely need to have is pure pace/consistency.If you lack those,dirty driving will do you no good.

The other thing is that people who have worked hard to gain DR are less likely to act petulantly or try and retaliate potentially ruining their own race, than those in the lower ranks

I can agree that in the majority of the DR A and DR S this is true.But not in all cases.There is always gonna be a super fast/dirty driver or even an "Scott Speed" type around.
 
Oh,yes you can.You can be using dirty tactics to gain DR and manipulate the SR system to keep it at top level.Then only thing you absolutely need to have is pure pace/consistency.If you lack those,dirty driving will do you no good.

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You can't keep SR at the top if you use dirty driving to win, yeah you can game the SR system by just driving round at the back of the pack, but your DR will drop so you can't maintain both.

I can agree that in the majority of the DR A and DR S this is true.But not in all cases.There is always gonna be a super fast/dirty driver or even an "Scott Speed" type around.
Of course, there are occasional idiots but (in general) less the higher you go...
 
If by good you mean "fast" I agree.If you mean "clean" then its not nesseseraly true (thats my point).
I didnt mean fast when i said good. I mean good car control and experience in wheel to wheel combat and less mistakes made, just good racecraft. Overall the lower tiers will have much less of that. The speed also comes with this experience and car control. I agree on a individual basis this doesnt need to be the case always, but overall it seems like it does. Watch 5 random S/S lobbys versus 5 random C/S lobbys you'll get what i mean.
 
You can't keep SR at the top if you use dirty driving to win, yeah you can game the SR system by just driving round at the back of the pack, but your DR will drop so you can't maintain both.

Tell me mate,how many times did another hit you off track,gaining a position without a penalty while you not only lost position(s) and SR rating and getting a penalty on top of that?
There are too many posts and videos of this happening,in these forums.If it can happen in DR C/SR S,the same can happen in DR S/SR S,since the mechanics of the game are the same for all lobbies.

Of course, there are occasional idiots but (in general) less the higher you go...

On that point,I agree and is pretty much what I've been saying too.

I didnt mean fast when i said good. I mean good car control and experience in wheel to wheel combat and less mistakes made, just good racecraft. Overall the lower tiers will have much less of that. The speed also comes with this experience and car control. I agree on a individual basis this doesnt need to be the case always, but overall it seems like it does. Watch 5 random S/S lobbys versus 5 random C/S lobbys you'll get what i mean.

Can we agree on this?
In lower DR levels is more possible to find dirty drivers with SR S rating than in higher DR levels.
 
Sorry mate but a player that has more knowledge or experience does not equal "clean".Like I said,hot lap pace is not the major factor:a super fast guy can be either clean or dirty.And since the game is "problematic" in terms of penalties/SR rating system,its even more easy to manipulate it to race fast/dirty with zero problems to your SR (if you are ...experienced enough in manipulating the system).

I didn't say that. I said "it is a indicator". Well, if someone only rams and kick out others, he wil not gain a single point to grow up to this level. Conclusion for this was: You have less dirty drivers in that level, but there are very good drivers in the lower levels too (mostly them they climb up in DR/SR fast). The good thing while driving in S/S, you know mostly of the drivers. In C/B there are complete random...
 
Can we agree on this?
In lower DR levels is more possible to find dirty drivers with SR S rating than in higher DR levels.
I agree but with a sidenote that at lower levels racing is more dirty because of less skill, experience and knowledge. Their intentions may not always be bad but they are just not up for the task yet resulting in not so clean races. At the higher levels the dirty drivers are more likely to have dirty intentions or just dont care.
 
My driver ratings are over rated :lol:

Yes and no. The vast majority of complaints and calls for clean racing seem to come from drivers at in the low B range and lower. I rarely see A's and S's on here complaining about dirty drivers.

That leads me to believe that it's likely just a low skill level that's the problem rather than actually dirty drivers.

My two cents is that everyone should be focused on getting their lap times down and their skill level up. Only good things can happen from there.
 
Yes and no. The vast majority of complaints and calls for clean racing seem to come from drivers at in the low B range and lower. I rarely see A's and S's on here complaining about dirty drivers.

That leads me to believe that it's likely just a low skill level that's the problem rather than actually dirty drivers.

My two cents is that everyone should be focused on getting their lap times down and their skill level up. Only good things can happen from there.

I've complained plenty times about dirty drivers, although nowadays it's more amusement at the nonsense that still happens. I'm mid DR.A max SR.S. Ofcourse you see more complaints from the lower rangers as there are a lot more people in the lower ranges.

Even though skill should be higher at A/S, I was the only one finishing without a penalty on Monza in 6 races yesterday. Every race I witnessed bad driving, 3 races I could not escape it, from dirty blocking, dive bombs, using other cars in corners, corner cutting to overtake, pushing people off the track, to plenty of bumps from behind. Is it less than it was in B/S, maybe. There were more accidents in B/S especially with the crappy matchmaking in that range. However without the accidents the dirty driving stands out more.
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That's the A/S way of rejoining the track after the pit! And he got reset after the chicane, 2 places gained, while I got 10sec penalty.
 
I've complained plenty times about dirty drivers, although nowadays it's more amusement at the nonsense that still happens. I'm mid DR.A max SR.S. Ofcourse you see more complaints from the lower rangers as there are a lot more people in the lower ranges.

Even though skill should be higher at A/S, I was the only one finishing without a penalty on Monza in 6 races yesterday. Every race I witnessed bad driving, 3 races I could not escape it, from dirty blocking, dive bombs, using other cars in corners, corner cutting to overtake, pushing people off the track, to plenty of bumps from behind. Is it less than it was in B/S, maybe. There were more accidents in B/S especially with the crappy matchmaking in that range. However without the accidents the dirty driving stands out more.
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That's the A/S way of rejoining the track after the pit! And he got reset after the chicane, 2 places gained, while I got 10sec penalty.
iRacing gives penalty's for crossing the white line. PD should implement that in the game as well. Im so used to it i stay within the line even when i am alone on the track :P
 
I keep my B S (to show off) that I know racing in sport mode would be tougher than before. Too risky if there is a race with car category that I am not skilled (except Br. B, X, Gr. 1, 3 and 4). My SR never dropped since day 1. I just practicing in lobbies.
 
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iRacing gives penalty's for crossing the white line. PD should implement that in the game as well. Im so used to it i stay within the line even when i am alone on the track :P

and in real racing he got a drive through penalty 💡
 
In my experience, having been in DR C for a while and being smashed down to SR B for being rammed and used as a barrier on Tokyo, it’s so difficult to race hard to increase DR and keep your SR high enough to move up. It took me 10 races to get back to SR A, eventually I had to drop to the back for 2 races on the oval to do it, and lost 800 DR points in the process....

Hopefully they can tweak the balance a bit in losses and gains and make one rank not effect the other so much
 
Easy night for me just been working on getting Sr back up and try to keep my Dr the same once back to S worry about finishing higher and qualifying higher
 
Thing is, if you qualify really well... you are more likely to have a good clean race at the front of the pack.

This couldn’t be more incorrect at DR D/C levels....

Everyone from p2 to p5 thinks turn 1 is fair game and it usually ends in at least 3 of the top 6 being dropped to p10+.
 
This couldn’t be more incorrect at DR D/C levels....

Everyone from p2 to p5 thinks turn 1 is fair game and it usually ends in at least 3 of the top 6 being dropped to p10+.
That was my point... qualify well and you will be ahead of the mayhem. I know only too well how much worse the racing and shunting is having dropped into D and C last weekend, it's horrendous! Even BB is a million times better than CB... I've not seen so much intentional ramming and bumping for ages!
 
That was my point... qualify well and you will be ahead of the mayhem. I know only too well how much worse the racing and shunting is having dropped into D and C last weekend, it's horrendous! Even BB is a million times better than CB... I've not seen so much intentional ramming and bumping for ages!

Each time I’ve qualified in the top 4 in DRC at least half the time I’ve been bombed at T1 and lost a massive amount of positions. Trouble is, trying to get back into DRB is crazy hard whilst trying to keep SR due to the general destruction derbyness of the races, especially GRP1 or any Tokyo race....

I guess the trick to this game is to drive slow enough to gain SR but finish fast enough to gain DR ..... They can’t possibly enforce higher penalties as the way the “everyone’s at fault” rule works no one would ever be able to get out of the lower ranks...
 
Each time I’ve qualified in the top 4 in DRC at least half the time I’ve been bombed at T1 and lost a massive amount of positions. Trouble is, trying to get back into DRB is crazy hard whilst trying to keep SR due to the general destruction derbyness of the races, especially GRP1 or any Tokyo race....

I guess the trick to this game is to drive slow enough to gain SR but finish fast enough to gain DR ..... They can’t possibly enforce higher penalties as the way the “everyone’s at fault” rule works no one would ever be able to get out of the lower ranks...

Be more selective with the races you enter. I don't race Tokyo at all, or Monza, or any car or track I don't feel that I have nailed. If you have nailed the track in your mind, then you don't need to worry just keep your head and put into the race exactly what you did in your qualifying times. If there is a particualr race you feel you a doing well, just do it over and over to gain as much DR as possible. Just try aiming for a top half finish and a clean race. Apparently top half is the point that you will not lose DR
 
Be more selective with the races you enter. I don't race Tokyo at all, or Monza, or any car or track I don't feel that I have nailed. If you have nailed the track in your mind, then you don't need to worry just keep your head and put into the race exactly what you did in your qualifying times. If there is a particualr race you feel you a doing well, just do it over and over to gain as much DR as possible. Just try aiming for a top half finish and a clean race. Apparently top half is the point that you will not lose DR

I’m trying not to resort to only doing 1 event , there aren’t enough events as it is to keep it varied enough, maybe it’s the low online % that stops PD extending it..?
 
I’m trying not to resort to only doing 1 event , there aren’t enough events as it is to keep it varied enough, maybe it’s the low online % that stops PD extending it..?
Fair enough, perhaps just do it a few days in order to get the jump up to B or whatever then start varying again. The problem is that by entering races you aren't as good at, you are just going to either drop or remain. I'm not saying just do one event, but just avoid tracks or cars you don't get on with, or races likely to include a lot of penalties/bumping.
 
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