TenD's problem is he still thinks comparing to another game is a valid way to rebut a point. "X game is just as bad" doesn't work.
Why not?
I mean, seriously. Go through all the racing games you'd consider worth making a comparison to. List the cars, their manufacturers, if they're race cars, state so, and then compare the lists with GT5's.
Is that an irrelevant way to base the comparison? If it is, why? Explain. I'm all eyes.
Fair enough, (better sounds) may not be technically possible, however, Kaz has said that it is technically possible on PS3, that they are working on it, and it might make it into GT6 through an update, so according to Kaz himself, hardware is not the limiting factor. That's not to say that sounds can be an exact representation of reality on the PS3 platform, but Kaz says they can better. So is Kaz lying or what?
I think you know that you're slanting the argument just a scouche.
First of all, a good number of you guys post as if the team hasn't done anything about the sounds all this time. I assure you that the sounds have changed not just from the PS1 era, but from GT5 spec 1 to Spec 2.
Red Rock Valley! Check out the awesome engine and tire sounds.
So this is what I take issue with, which I'll go into in more length below. But the sound issues have been discussed at fantastic length by Griffith500, chippy and others who are familiar with the subject to one length or other. And again, no one is saying that the sounds can't be improved, but acting as if PD haven't done squat about them for three years isn't helping your guys' cause any.
I mean, which game was it that fooled people into thinking they were watching (r)acing footage?
Okay, I'll bite. It's spring 2008. What games are these? Google isn't telling me anything but Prologue. And here, supposedly, I'm the ding dong that just tosses out glib answerless responses all the time. 👍
In fact, I'm hard pressed to remember any time that someone is challenged to answer my contentions by someone else, or to be pointed out that they say negative things about Gran Turismo which frankly are if not lies, are extremely exaggerated, such as "the sounds in GT5 are the same old rotten sounds as ever." Or, "the sounds in GT6 are the same old rotten sounds as ever." Ya know, a game that hasn't even come out yet, that they have obviously not played, have not experienced, have NO idea whatsoever the state will be. And yet they make definite statements about The Game. Not "I hope the sounds won't be like this at release," but "GT6 has sucky sounds." Pardon me, but this isn't even rational or worth taking seriously.
This is why I'm both very positive and rather rebellious, because I contend that if a site is dedicated to a certain something, then that site should be a place in which that certain something is cast in a positive light. That members can count on like minded folk who want to celebrate that something, in a community that's encouraging about that something. That posts in the forum are about cool things about that something. Especially when a new version of that something is very near to release.
Maybe I'm stupid, but I'd rather be that kind of stupid than the dour pessimistic grinches who get cranky when that something which is celebrated and spoken of positively is Gran Turismo. On a Gran Turismo board no less.
Pupik poo-poos remarks that people are finding this place too hostile to even be around. Frankly, if I ran the board I'd want to know why. Why is it just fine that people are put in the position to defend themselves and the game they like all the time, especially when many of the attacks aren't, as gtracedriver1 posts, objective? Accurate? Balanced? Something is very wrong here.
There are very few developers I care about or respect. Hideo Kojima and Kojima Productions. The yahoos at Naughty Dog and Insomniac Games, even though Insomniac have been using some of my ideas in the Ratchet & Clank series without so much as a 👍 . Oh well, I love those guys and the series they make, because they seem like me. A bunch of grown up kids who love having fun recreating the universe in their own special way.
And yes, I dig the heck out of and respect Kazunori Yamauchi and Polyphony Digital. Say what you will about the man, the team and the game they make, but he has impacted the world in ways very few people have or ever will. And GT5 has something serious going for it, when another million people will buy new copies since December when millions of used ones are floating around. And THREE YEARS of bad press and net chatter are hanging like cobwebs around it. Another million people brush it all off and don't care. People argue that sales don't have anything to do with the quality of a game. I say, refute this, when the diehard fans have likely bought their copies two years ago.
The real contributors and critics aren't the DAMN IT TO HELL types, but the ones who have points to make that anyone would want to read. Those posts aren't so easy to find anymore. And that's sad for a site that's here for the express purpose to bring together fans to celebrate this game. It shouldn't be that way. This isn't NeoGAF.
Nobody cares?
