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That is exactly what happened. Of all days to do it too. Totally messed up.


Several buildings too. And he served 18 years for killing his mother, and his sister is currently missing.
 
Was covered by CNN pretty much all day. Awful scene. Smoke over the NY skyline told the story. My condolences to the families; so sad that they work so hard, and then are put in situations where they never come home again.
And others lost their homes. Another crazy guy mad at the world and takes it out on the best in the world.
 
I get sick & tired of mentioning this again & again, but to me, school shootings aren't nearly the problem the judicial, or prison systems are in this country. It is amazing how much Americans are committed to providing healthcare, education and all sorts of welfare, entertainment & luxury(considering) for their criminals. Those that don't get to enjoy them are the ones that court just let them go free with a slap on the wrist, or let them out early.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for human rights, but how do these people deserve better privileges than law-abiding people living in poverty? If it were up to me, they'll get limited electricity and plenty of access to free cold water, but you will work to pay back the society. Yeah, I'm all for rehabilitation. If you convince the parole board, you will never want to come back to the horrible life of my prison system. All work & no play there. Food sucks, no TV, and you better pray you don't get sick or injured.

Repeat offenders of serious crimes just sucks.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for human rights, but how do these people deserve better privileges than law-abiding people living in poverty?

Maybe if you (not you, obv) raised the standard-of-living of those in poverty (and not get vindictive when they receive a free pair of boots during the holiday season), those who are imprisoned are released wouldn't seem so egregious. Additionally, maybe if you quit imprisoning black males for petty offenses at a rate of 5:1 of the general population, you might have more room for actual violent offenders.
 
Maybe if you (not you, obv) raised the standard-of-living of those in poverty (and not get vindictive when they receive a free pair of boots during the holiday season), those who are imprisoned are released wouldn't seem so egregious. Additionally, maybe if you quit imprisoning black males for petty offenses at a rate of 5:1 of the general population, you might have more room for actual violent offenders.
Two offenses that gets me the most are the child abusers & rapists. When they are arrested, it's a news story routine to go through their prior offenses, and how they raped again, or harmed another child. This one doesn't have anything to do with the economy or race.

I've been poor, I've known many poor people. I don't buy the excuse that living standards drives people to life of crime. This country helps you find job, help you feed your family with free food, even helps out your children go to school. If you choose to rob, because the Government didn't give you a free car, or Nikes too, frankly, I find that absurd.

I have heard & read about the racial bias by the Police, but forgive me if I don't buy into that either. If you give prisoners very little, put them to work, I think prison cost would go down, and if we could also get rid of terminology I personally can't relate to like "overcrowding" in prison, we can house all of them, as long as they choose to be in there when they committed their offenses. Regardless of the race.
 
This one's very close to home for me as I used to play soccer near Webster as a kid. From what I heard, he set a car on fire. The fire then spread to all the surrounding buildings. Could be wrong though. The police also believe there may have been a second shooter according to their initial report which is odd considering how many "second shooter" reports we've gotten in regards to the many previous shootings we've had. When you take his background info into consideration, it doesn't seem quite as shocking or disturbing, but it's nonetheless a terribly tragedy.
 
I heard it mentioned in passing earlier today, but that was in Webster? 🤬, man.
Yeah, its about an hour from me.
This one's very close to home for me as I used to play soccer near Webster as a kid. From what I heard, he set a car on fire. The fire then spread to all the surrounding buildings. Could be wrong though. The police also believe there may have been a second shooter according to their initial report which is odd considering how many "second shooter" reports we've gotten in regards to the many previous shootings we've had. When you take his background info into consideration, it doesn't seem quite as shocking or disturbing, but it's nonetheless a terribly tragedy.

Very close to me too, and my uncle works SWAT in Rochester. I'll be hearing about this tomorrow.
 
So as it turns out, my uncle was there with his SWAT unit. He showed me some very graphic video and photos that he took while on the scene of the firetruck the man lit up with gunfire and how it crashed. They found a body, presumably his sister, who may have been killed before he lit the house on fire. They are awaiting autopsy results. Up to 6 buildings were torched, mostly the entire neighbor hood. They found a note stating he was going to do this and take out as many first responders as he could before he was going to turn himself in. The man was killed, but it is not sure if the SWAT unit killed him or if he commited sucide. He was very well prepared for this attack. They found an M16 assault rifle, a combat shotgun, a pistol and several other weapons with an entire belt full of shotgun shells, a fanny pack loaded with ammo, a water bottle and other things. Helicopters were overhead and everything, it literally looked like something out of a movie but it was real. RFor legal reasons, I cannot show this evidence, but I can confirm it exists. It may be too graphic for some.

I saw the evidence myself from him and his units that were on the scene, I saw the body of the man who began this all. In the video I was shown, the officer who was killed was still laying just down the street and my uncle had seen it.

Although he's seen worse, like the picture he showed me of a dude that literally blew his brains out. Like a mark on the wal from where the brain itself hit and everything. Totally messed up.
 
Ban assault rifles!

This is not the answer. At all. If I came up to you and hit you with a piece of copper pipe, I'd be charged with assault right? Does that make it an assault weapon? Should we ban copper piping? No. There is no reason to ban assault rifles. There is reason to require a pschyatric evaluation and background check on all potential buyers.

But then back to my statement from before, should we require that on potential copper piping buyers? You don't know what someone will do with an object/item. You can make anything deadly if you really wanted to.


Adding on to my previous post, there was an incident where when the mans mother had passed the house was willed to the last name, no one in particular. SO the SWAT team thinks that when the sister wanted to sell the house he didn't want to and wanted it kept in the family, he killed her and set it on fire so no one could have it. That's the hunch right now. Apparently, the choppers found him running away as well.
 
Guy was in jail in the 80's for killing his grandma with a hammer. This also made him prohibited from owning guns. Blaming this on guns is absurd, and suggesting that if this rifle was banned the killing wouldn't have happened is quite a stretch.

This man was PROHIBITED from buying guns. Prohibiting everyone else from buying them isn't going to stop this from happening. Especially when there's millions of them already in circulation, and if somehow all the guns vanished, this guy seems like the type who would use a bomb, run people down in a car, or use a hammer as he did in the past.

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Oh, right. I see. That totally excuses him from his crime.

I really didn't see this as what he implied. Assault rifle is being thrown around like candy in the media lately and often it's an incorrect term.
 
What he said. I took Zoo's statement as a claim that this is evidence that assault rifles should be banned even though the killer did not use an assault rifle. His killings in a manner that could have been done with any rifle or shotgun, even the break action double barrels found in high gun control places like the UK.
 
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I really didn't see this as what he implied. Assault rifle is being thrown around like candy in the media lately and often it's an incorrect term.

Which is exactly the point of my statement.

Fuel for the fire.
 
He didn't use an assault rifle. He used a rifle.
He used an M16 assualt rifle.
He was armed with a revolver, a shotgun and a semi-automatic rifle.

This. The semi-automatic M16 still had the lock on it. I saw the weapons close up tonight. The shotgun was no ordinary shotgun either, it was full fledged Miliitary equipped. And he had enough ammunition to keep him going for hours on end.
 
What he said. I took Zoo's statement as a claim that this is evidence that assault rifles should be banned even though the killer did not use an assault rifle. His killings in a manner that could have been done with any rifle or shotgun, even the break action double barrels found in high gun control places like the UK.

Last time I checked, an M16 was considered an assault rifle. Which is what he used, besides the revolver and shotgun. And just so everyone is aware, what new sources are reporting the note he left said, is false. The other thing that was driving me nuts is that people are saying he killed himself, when the reality is the police don't even know who killed him, wether he did it or they did it. The police did return fire but wasn't for very long.


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According to what I've read it was a Bushmaster AR-15, not an assault rifle.

I saw straight up photos of the deceased body, his weapons, loadout and other supplies such as a water bottle in his back pocket and I can confirm it was an M16. He had an enitre fanny pack loaded with bananna clips and a few belts cover with shotgun shells. Most weapons were laying against a tree and when he fell they found the revolver laying on the ground about 2 1/2 feet away.
 
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