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I think a race car is one that has a number
Week 59... For lack of a Better Name
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Not just numbers or names...
Race cars are cars that are not legal for road use, more or less.
If you are not sure about a car, try it in the polyphony cup, that is a good way to distinguish.
Take the ZZII for example, it looks like a road car, but it is actually an unmarked (beautiful) race car. The polyphony cup will not allow you to race a stock version of the car, so we are already sure that stock form is modified... Then the fact that there were probably only a few zz2s made... I would say that it is a specialty super car that is only allow on racing circuit and not the public roads of____ (atleast not american roads.
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However, note that cars like the gt40 and jagxj220 are both considered road cars. This is one of the problems in gt for me.
I think of those cars as detuned race cars, or road car platforms created solely as a platform of an eligable race car.
So... basically, just ask us I guess.
It could be complicated to the newbs and I know everyone here is willing to answer any question. (bet there would even be a race for who would answer it. )
Catch you guys later for now.
Im gonna actually get to go race.
Gonna start looking at a race car to use. I think the r-tuned skyline may make a run this week since I seemed to have grown fond of it a little while back. Doubt the skyline can keep up. Maybe just a respectable time.
I hope.
Later.
Race cars are cars that are not legal for road use, more or less.
If you are not sure about a car, try it in the polyphony cup, that is a good way to distinguish.
Take the ZZII for example, it looks like a road car, but it is actually an unmarked (beautiful) race car. The polyphony cup will not allow you to race a stock version of the car, so we are already sure that stock form is modified... Then the fact that there were probably only a few zz2s made... I would say that it is a specialty super car that is only allow on racing circuit and not the public roads of____ (atleast not american roads.
)However, note that cars like the gt40 and jagxj220 are both considered road cars. This is one of the problems in gt for me.
I think of those cars as detuned race cars, or road car platforms created solely as a platform of an eligable race car.
So... basically, just ask us I guess.
It could be complicated to the newbs and I know everyone here is willing to answer any question. (bet there would even be a race for who would answer it. )
Catch you guys later for now.
Im gonna actually get to go race.
Gonna start looking at a race car to use. I think the r-tuned skyline may make a run this week since I seemed to have grown fond of it a little while back. Doubt the skyline can keep up. Maybe just a respectable time.
I hope. Later.
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The GT40 is ineligible for the PD cup as it has a modified exhaust (? modified something anyway!)
As Kent said, just ask. Basically any car with a PWR of more than 2.0 is eligible, it just depends on what category it goes in.
I'll start the T times rolling with
T1 - 18.0
T2 - 48.8
PWR - 2.024
car - ???
- 540
I think then we should define the rule as such to make things clear this week...
If you can enter it stock into the PD cup it is a "road car" (from there you can mod it all you want within the rule specs).
If you can't enter it in the PD cup then it is a "race car" (regardless if it has a number on it or not).
GoKents...can you agree to that?
I will assume we are just running one overall class as always (I've been thinking about this all day an realize splitting it into two classes is pointless). You submit ONE time, regardless of the type of car. Since the rule spec is PW/R 2.0 then it really doesn't matter what kinda car it is, though the race cars probably have a slight advantage.
right?
If you can enter it stock into the PD cup it is a "road car" (from there you can mod it all you want within the rule specs).
If you can't enter it in the PD cup then it is a "race car" (regardless if it has a number on it or not).
GoKents...can you agree to that?
I will assume we are just running one overall class as always (I've been thinking about this all day an realize splitting it into two classes is pointless). You submit ONE time, regardless of the type of car. Since the rule spec is PW/R 2.0 then it really doesn't matter what kinda car it is, though the race cars probably have a slight advantage.
right?
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Homalegated models, I think is the word for it. The GT40 road car was only made so that Ford could make the GT40 eligable for competition. The XJ220 I do not recall ever being raced besides in that one make series they did upon launch to promote the car to the American market.
Edited because Scudera already addressed my basic question.
Edited because Scudera already addressed my basic question.
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Perfectly said.
Except... What about tuners?
Rtuned skyline, mine's evo/skyline, spoon s2000, etc.
This is why I say just ask about it if you aren't sure.
For real though, that statement above is a good place to start. From there, come to the board. Don't be scared to ask.
Also Im thinking of a final results system... I think if was scuderia who mentioned something like this but...
2 entries per a driver. (1 race car, 1 road car)
3 results columns.
road car results
race car results
over all results
However, the over all results will not read both cars for each driver. The over all results will only read that faster lap. (which will most likely be the race car, but not necessarily.)
Sound good to you guys?
I will be working just as much this week to format the results as I will be racing to take part in the race.
Later.
And post your thoughts... Im probably gonna copy most of this post and put it in the original post.
Cool? Good.
Although... that sure is a lot of work.
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Originally posted by daan
The GT40 is ineligible for the PD cup as it has a modified exhaust (? modified something anyway!)
As Kent said, just ask. Basically any car with a PWR of more than 2.0 is eligible, it just depends on what category it goes in.
I'll start the T times rolling with
T1 - 18.0
T2 - 48.8
PWR - 2.024
car - ???
ok, cool that you don't say the car...but at least tell if it's a road car or race car, I must keep an eye on the category I'm gonna run
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Why not make the final results combined time between the two cars?
otherwise...cool!
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"tuners" are "road cars" at least for the purpose of this race. Since no one will be running a PD cup legal car not tuned as well anyway. Tuner cars really are stock cars with some guy or companies performance package bolted on. Same as you are tuning in the sim garage basically, just "pre-tuned"
agreed?
hahahaha man i'm glad i asked. there seems to be so many different views on what's a Race/Road car. it looks like the definition has been cleared up a bit though.
now there's the debate on which car to use. i've found a few cars faster than the Castrol Tom's Supra and still within power limits of 2.00... but i don't want to seem cheap here....
now there's the debate on which car to use. i've found a few cars faster than the Castrol Tom's Supra and still within power limits of 2.00... but i don't want to seem cheap here....
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It will be quite interesting to see the differences between road and race car in this.
Most of the road cars that will be running in this will have adjustable rear downforce anyway, Zonda, RGT, Skylines etc. The main difference is going to be the adjustable front downforce that the race car offers.
Most of the road cars that will be running in this will have adjustable rear downforce anyway, Zonda, RGT, Skylines etc. The main difference is going to be the adjustable front downforce that the race car offers.
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I'll be throwing some stuff up against the wall tomorrow.....hope something sticks.
Welcome back daan! I suppose we can expect our old nemisis, 'The Missing Link' to not go 'missing' here. RATS!
Man, I'm not very good at Rome 1 or II....but I'm weakest at II.
So, even though I like being back on tarmac....and this car choice scenario.....I'm going to struggle mightily with this track.
Welcome back daan! I suppose we can expect our old nemisis, 'The Missing Link' to not go 'missing' here. RATS!
Man, I'm not very good at Rome 1 or II....but I'm weakest at II.
So, even though I like being back on tarmac....and this car choice scenario.....I'm going to struggle mightily with this track.
19.360/52.090
with my road car. I need a place to start as far as setups go with my racer, I cant even get within a second of my road time. I really hate this track...especially that double curve thing right before the fast section at the end, I have no idea how to take that yet. I'm guessing its not "turn, brake, downshift, gas, brake, downshift, gas, let off, turn, gas."
with my road car. I need a place to start as far as setups go with my racer, I cant even get within a second of my road time. I really hate this track...especially that double curve thing right before the fast section at the end, I have no idea how to take that yet. I'm guessing its not "turn, brake, downshift, gas, brake, downshift, gas, let off, turn, gas."
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Later tonight and hopefully tomorrow I will have some runs at this.
I do remember having some cars in mind, but oh yeah... the r tuned nismo skyline, I drove that around the track in a test on monday night.
It didn't have near enough feeling for competition with the other cars. This week is gonna be a week for the gt40s and r390s if no one is able to break the 2.3 barrier.
I only know of a few race cars that can get onto 2.0?? but it is a select few.
Maybe tomorrow they will work out for me.
Looking at the r tuned skyline though...
Till later tonight,
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I do remember having some cars in mind, but oh yeah... the r tuned nismo skyline, I drove that around the track in a test on monday night.
It didn't have near enough feeling for competition with the other cars. This week is gonna be a week for the gt40s and r390s if no one is able to break the 2.3 barrier.
I only know of a few race cars that can get onto 2.0?? but it is a select few.
Maybe tomorrow they will work out for me.
Looking at the r tuned skyline though...
Till later tonight,
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First testing of Racing Cars is still a little unsteady after about 7 laps....
Race Car
T1=18.408
T2=49.277
We'll rough test a different one
Race Car
T1=18.090
T2=48.448
Oh, this is going to get really tough....keeping off these walls and not scrubbing off speed...
Race Car
T1=18.408
T2=49.277
We'll rough test a different one
Race Car
T1=18.090
T2=48.448
Oh, this is going to get really tough....keeping off these walls and not scrubbing off speed...
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20.0/56.xx (apologies for typo)
road car.
road car.
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Originally posted by Gt3Emperor
First testing of Racing Cars is still a little unsteady after about 7 laps....
Race Car
T1=18.408
T2=49.277
We'll rough test a different one
Race Car
T1=18.090
T2=48.448
Oh, this is going to get really tough....keeping off these walls and not scrubbing off speed...
Emp....looks like I'm right on your back bumper yet again....
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how can you gain 4 secs from T1 to T2, most of us are in the 18's and 48's..unless you made a typo or something
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Ok, I've decided about the results system.
Only 2 entries at most. 1 race 1 road.
Only 2 divisions. race and road. (along with the usual div seperation.)
This means that you don't have to run both cars. Go ahead and concentrate on one car, or try and run both and see if you can still get a good time.
Good luck and have fun with it.
In terms of final results, 2 divisions is not a problem for me, but for some of you who are keeping track of the weekly winners and what not... just go by the fastest times, road car or race car, just use the fastest 3 from each division to decide the overall podium of the division.
Sorry if that makes you guys all want to run 1 car, but I think works well.
So lets get that straight.
2 entry max. 1 road car. 1 race car.
2 divisions of results, road & race. (along with div 1,2,3 seperation)
You do not have to run both cars... plus, as you can see by turbo smoke's blazing time, the road cars may be able to win the week... so let's see what happens and have some fun.
For me...
No idea about times, but I did get to run the rgt and the toyota mrs autobacs race car... both were fun, but it is obvious to me that the gt40 & r390 will be able to win the race.
Excellent job turbo smoke.
If you had left that up there for long and then not denied the time, you may have been called for a ... this is a long time problem... always make sure you check for those typos when making a time post.
It can create a whole lot of contention with almost no effort.
No problems of course, just glad to see you caught it quickly.
Only 2 entries at most. 1 race 1 road.
Only 2 divisions. race and road. (along with the usual div seperation.)
This means that you don't have to run both cars. Go ahead and concentrate on one car, or try and run both and see if you can still get a good time.
Good luck and have fun with it.
In terms of final results, 2 divisions is not a problem for me, but for some of you who are keeping track of the weekly winners and what not... just go by the fastest times, road car or race car, just use the fastest 3 from each division to decide the overall podium of the division.
Sorry if that makes you guys all want to run 1 car, but I think works well.
So lets get that straight.
2 entry max. 1 road car. 1 race car.
2 divisions of results, road & race. (along with div 1,2,3 seperation)
You do not have to run both cars... plus, as you can see by turbo smoke's blazing time, the road cars may be able to win the week... so let's see what happens and have some fun.
For me...
No idea about times, but I did get to run the rgt and the toyota mrs autobacs race car... both were fun, but it is obvious to me that the gt40 & r390 will be able to win the race.
Excellent job turbo smoke.
If you had left that up there for long and then not denied the time, you may have been called for a ... this is a long time problem... always make sure you check for those typos when making a time post.
It can create a whole lot of contention with almost no effort.
No problems of course, just glad to see you caught it quickly.
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sorry for the confusion...its fixed...
pwr is 2.068 btw.
pwr is 2.068 btw.
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indeed, I was thinking of the R90 but I'm too lazy to get it
I'm not sure if the stock gt one road car is above 2.0 on p/w
I'm not sure if the stock gt one road car is above 2.0 on p/w
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Ok, I´m little confused now. Is the GT40 and R390 Road versions consired as road cars? Thanks in advance..
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Yeah, they are technically road cars, and I really don't give a crap about "winning" only doing well... so if you guys wanna run the gt40 road and r390 road versions, go ahead.
I would rather put in time with a car I like a whole lot, than put in a fast time with a car that I didn't enjoy.
Plus,
I've got a thing for seeing just how far the tuned rgt can go before it falls behind the pack.
Actually, I think I will indeed have a few r390 laps. Those will just be to see where I stack on an initial run...problem this week is that with multiple car entries, you don't get to shave off time like in other weeks... this week is gonna be initial times with 2 different cars, maybe with any luck I will get into the shaving by the end of the week.
Back with times for both race and road as soon as possible.
I would rather put in time with a car I like a whole lot, than put in a fast time with a car that I didn't enjoy.
Plus,
I've got a thing for seeing just how far the tuned rgt can go before it falls behind the pack.
Actually, I think I will indeed have a few r390 laps. Those will just be to see where I stack on an initial run...problem this week is that with multiple car entries, you don't get to shave off time like in other weeks... this week is gonna be initial times with 2 different cars, maybe with any luck I will get into the shaving by the end of the week.
Back with times for both race and road as soon as possible.
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It's looking the same way for me this week. I think I found a few "race" cars that will do fast laps but the road car is going to be more "ceremonial" than fast for me.
Running a r390 or GT40 "road" car is too damn easy and rather boring (to me in this instant).
Now running a Mini and trying to keep the leaders within 15secs is alot more interesting (not that I am running a Mini but it Illustrates my point).
I like the idea of running a stock road car and a full race car in one week, your combined time gives you your final standing...that could be neat, Opps...i just ventured over the the suggestions thread...hahaha
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Improved my time
18.047 (exactly the same as previous
)
47.908 (1 sec faster)
Then I noticed there was a slight touch in it
Tried another race car (pwr 2.043)
18.235
48.096 (faster overall laptime than above)
Then I noticed there was a slight touch in it
18.047 (exactly the same as previous
)47.908 (1 sec faster)
Then I noticed there was a slight touch in it
Tried another race car (pwr 2.043)
18.235
48.096 (faster overall laptime than above)
Then I noticed there was a slight touch in it
