Weight Transfer

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A question to those who are familiar with drifting, can you explain how weight transfer works? How it enables the car to drift? Before & After effects? ETc...

Weight transfer has been on my mind for bout half the day today now.

nother question, can you draw the lines of weight transfer? right side / left side / front side / back side. sorta pictured like a cross. I don't know if you guys know what i'm talkin about. Maybe my thoughts are misleading me.

Correct me if i'm wrong, to get a clearer picture of how WT works I thought of takumi's cup of water in INitial D. Than i thought up of another way to resemble the cup, that is to place an oval shaped *thing* onto the shelf of the car with a ball in it(so it can roll around in that oval area). This way i know where the weight is transfered and how much it is being transfered.

-Thanks.
 
I have no idea what the hell you're talking about. :)

The effects of weight transfer as I understand it (which is most likely wrong hehe), deals with the traction of the tires. When you drift, you want to shift the weight off the rear wheels so they lose traction easier. Most drift techniques...except for a few rely on weight transfer to break traction and then power to the wheels to keep the car sideways. I'm not sure how feint drifting works, because it would seem that the traction would be shifted to the left or right side instead of the front..but somebody else will have to explain that. Hopefully Bengee or Pergatory will answer this..they usually have long detailed answers that make sense, where mine fail to. :lol:


-Mark
 
Feint drifting forces the weight of the car in the direction your turning and that force will start breaking the traction... i think ^^
 
weight transfer...hmmmm.. its feints do like taku mi do in initial-d
when he battle again ryosuke ( yellow fd ) ,... he takes the left then suddenly he swing the cars to right . so i think it is weidgt transfer ..

** ps correct me if im wrong ...;)
 
Hm, as far as I know..since I'm not into physics classes right now, thats next year, from what I under stand, by throwing the car to the left, before a right turn, the weight that comes over breaks the traction of the cars, then its all throttle control and steering input. Hope this help'd alittle.
 
Feint = weight transfer



Anyone with some common sense and an ability to think should be able to figure out how and why shifting the weight works. Momentum in the rear breaks the tires loose. You shift the weight from side to side, enter the turn throwing that momentum to the side and there you go.
 
Well, from what I understand about drifting, weight transfer (the noticable kind, from right to left "lateral") is only going to effect your vehicle under two conditions.

1. Your weight distribution is severly off (e.g. 70/30)
2. Your suspension is either undercompensating or overcompensating for the movement.

Number two usually only applies in actual exhibition displays but this game is so realistic that it will apply here too. You spend the money on a customizable suspension system, yet you might not fully understand what it's capable of.

If you are wondering about the effects of the weight transfer in general than just think about it like this, your car is can only have 100% of it's own weight at one time. So speaking in a literal sense, if you soften your suspension, decrease your stablilizers and soften your shock bound and rebound than you can drift well, but it will take more to accomplish that since your soft shocks will absorb the momentum of the turn. Resulting in a left-right weight transfer of 70-80% and in some cases greater. Adversly, if you stiffen the same attributes (above normal stiffness of course) than you will notice that your car (even the infamous 4WDs) will lose traction almost effortlessly. The only downfall is that, at least on the track, you are sacrificing that crucial control needed to balance your car on that knife edge that is known as stylistic drifting.

As far as drawing out your weight transfer graph and telemetry, you are asking people who have never seen your car and can only try to replicate it on their own systems to predict what it is going to do in a turn or drift. That is nearly impossible, not to try to bust your bubble, I know how frustrating it is, but, my suggestion is to run your car a few times with various suspension settings to see what how your car behaves and what it likes.

In essence
Weight transfer effects your car greatly in a turn, but that's only one thousanth of one percent of the variables in a successful drift.

I hope you could follow that, because I just broke it down to the short and sweet, in the Corps we have a saying

KISS

Keep It Simple Stupid

That's the simplest way I could think to describe it, if you still have questions, PM me or just ask on this thread and I'll get back with you ASAP. Or 15 minutes prior to that LOL, :odd:
Sorry a bit of Marine humor, it's a Devil Dog thing HAH!!! Just playing around.


Semper Fidelis and Good Luck To You,
Shadow Drifter
 
Originally posted by lmp
just shift the weight to the front of the car thinking too much about phisics isnt going to work
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Wrong. I think about the physics like 98% of the time. It does work. If you just do stuff without thinking about it, its going to be messed up sketchy, or bad.
 
well usualy when i drift i go by instinct and it comes out pretty clean well i duno thats just me :P each person is diffrent i guess
 
when you think about the drift and analyze every aspect...you are able to improve. however if you do it without thinking, it will be vague to learn what you need to do to improve...you can never truly master everything there is about drift.
 
Exactly lan evo... You need to think about it in order to realize what you want to happen... You may not need to get all analytical like i do at times... but you need basic knowledge in order to tune your cars correctly... And weight transfer is an incridbly important aspect of racing in general... i do no t think an explanation is needed any longer...
 
Originally posted by XzifT
So I do it right. :D Yippie.
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So I do it too.. what's your point? :lol:

basicly weight transfer is shifting the whole weight of your car into forcing ur back wheels to lose traction to go into another drift
aka Feint Drift / Manji Drift

Drifterzzz.. its not Royosuke... its Kieuske that drives the Yellow FD K..:D
 
I've seen lots of good points but not an actual explanation of what weight transfer is so I thought I'd throw it in:

Weight transfer is exactly what the two words indicate. You are transferring weight from one wheel to another. Weight transfer is universal, it is done whether you know how to or not, and it is done in any type of driving. When people say that you need to 'master weight transfer' it doesn't mean learning a new technique, it means refining your abilities.

For example, when you feint drift, you transfer the weight to the rear inside wheel to bring the back-end toward the inside of the corner. Then you transfer the weight to the rear outside wheel to swing the rear-end to the other side (outside) so that you can enter the corner facing the right direction.

Whichever rear wheel has more weight on it, that will be the direction that the rear-end goes when you get on the throttle. Just because the rear-end is sliding out on the right side, doesn't mean that your weight is biased to the right side. Once you learn to differentiate between where your car is pointing and where the weight is distributed, then you have mastered weight transfer.
 
Feint Drift
This is performed by rocking the car towards the outside of a turn and then using the rebound of grip to throw the car into the normal cornering direction. This is heavy rally racing technique used to change vehicle attitudes during cornering.
This is performed by rocking the car towards the opposite direction of a turn and then using the rebound of grip to throw the car into the normal cornering direction. (note: this is heavy rally racing technique used to change vehicle attitudes during cornering)

please some one move this damn wall:banghead:
 
XzifT. XzifT. XzifT. Not Xzist. :lol: Read next time. You're just explaining how to drift. I'm sure he knows how to do that, hes asking about side-to-side, front back weight tranfers..and how it helps a drift..not how to drift.
 
You do not only weight transfer in feint... you transfer weight while accelerating and decellerating as well... therefor every style of drift uses weight tranfser and so does ever style of driving for that matter...

If you have a basic understanding of physics and what you would like to do through a corner then you should know where to shift the weight to accomplish this task... braking shifts weight to the front in general... acceleration shifts weight to the rear... etc...
 
bengee,my good man ,you have a point but thats appling real life drifting to the game you are limited to the physics in the game.I agree with you but come on the car can't even flip over "hahahahahahah"
 
I don't know if you noticed, but GT3 is a simulation. It's as close as it gets to true life as it gets, and anything that works in real life will 99% of the time work in GT3.
 
just like what pergatory stated...weight transfer basically means - weight transfer. when a car is turning, weight is being transferred to the side thats on the outside of the turn....

when you are "shifting the weight" of a car, the car's overall weight DISTRIBUTION comes into play, and that's a key element that give's a car it's uniqueness, and that's why a car's weight distribution is important...

when people see a feint drift they think of the weight transfer...
but i think of weight transfer for EVERY turn.
 

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