Weird, what's PD done?

[HAD2]

hey guys..

Have use tried turning your router (broadband) on and off, because sometimes that is the problem, it use to happen to me aswel if my router got knocked alittle bit,or if its not been turned off for some time .
try it, if thats not the case it must be a weird connection error..

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[BolgOfThe North]

Why not just enjoy racing for the fun side, and not focus on winning so much? Something to prove?

Exaclty, personally I get most fun out of GT5P from having really close & respectful races with someone and also by using a reasonably fast car or even the slowest car, not the fastest car. I know what FLF means by wanting to avoid the ramming morons, it drives me mad but if your driving around on your own all the time what's the point in racing online?

 

[FatLeadFoot]

Please don't take this reply to be inflammatory or disrespectful, but I'm just letting you know precisely the state of play.

There are hundreds of members here from all countries who drive with a GTP tag (and many that do not) who do not bow to the temptation of a front row start by lowering PP and manage to win races, have superb races and generally enjoy themselves by running the max PP and race on a level playing field without that "if I have to knock off a few points to have a clean run then so be it. You can "hate" me all you want but you're not going to catch me." attitude, which truthfully will keep you from being admitted to the GTP registry should you ever wish to participate in that way.

All the best
Maz

OK guys, I admit that statement is a little harsh but was made more in response to the punter and not the clean competitive racer which I truly enjoy racing with, win or lose. It not about winning with me as much as getting a chance at beating my personal best lap and race time which with a friend and myself working together is 7'04.2xx. Trust me, I would much rather run at a full 800PP as my lap times are faster. I ran a few today at 800PP, had a couple good races but most were dealing with the riff raff with bad intentions.

I respect what GTP stands for and am aware that some of the fastest racers in the world are members here. I hope someday to compete with and probably get dusted by these guys because it can only make me better. But I do have a difference of opinion when it comes to being treated unfairly on the track as I give what I receive and in this instance, shave a few points to get a clean run. I could care less if I win.

Respectfully,
FLF

So you are that fast that nobody can catch you, but you still need to knock off PP? 👍

Lowering PP to get to the first corner ahead is cheating in my eyes. If your ability is really that high why do you feel the need to lower PP? Why not just enjoy racing for the fun side, and not focus on winning so much? Something to prove?

As Maz says, it's looked down on here at GTP and is disrespectful to other racers.

I am absolutely not that fast, trust me. I am humbled by the fact that there are many that can clean my clock.

If it's fun for you not being able to make it past the first lap, knock yourself out. My intention is not to be disrespectful to anyone on the track or in my posts here but the sarcasm in your post is somewhat disrespectful IMO.

I will run at 800PP as a sign that I mean no ill will but I can't promise I'll do it all the time.

FLF

 

[ANFD]

There are Pros and Cons to everything in life not excluding Prologue Online play. Last I checked, we lived in a free country and had the freedom to make our own choices based on our personal preferences and don't feel that I should be judged by anyone for making a simple choice that simply differs from theirs. I agree with FLF that dropping a few points allows a shot at a cleaner race without the rolling mine fields of the bashers through out the field. I also find it boring by running around by myself at the front of the pack. I sometimes prefer to start at the back and make the challenge of getting through the bashers my main goal and find fun in this also. I also like to drop a single point to put myself roughly in the middle of the field so that I get the best of both worlds. There's nothing better obviously than racing someone hard for position, no matter what that position is. The bottom line though is that, again, there are Pros and Cons to our choices but we should be free to make those choices without being judged by anyone simply because they have a differing opinion. The game is about fun .... how we extract that fun is a personal choice .... thank you

 

[MJH]

There are Pros and Cons to everything in life not excluding Prologue Online play. Last I checked, we lived in a free country and had the freedom to make our own choices based on our personal preferences and don't feel that I should be judged by anyone for making a simple choice that simply differs from theirs. I agree with FLF that dropping a few points allows a shot at a cleaner race without the rolling mine fields of the bashers through out the field. I also find it boring by running around by myself at the front of the pack. I sometimes prefer to start at the back and make the challenge of getting through the bashers my main goal and find fun in this also. I also like to drop a single point to put myself roughly in the middle of the field so that I get the best of both worlds. There's nothing better obviously than racing someone hard for position, no matter what that position is. The bottom line though is that, again, there are Pros and Cons to our choices but we should be free to make those choices without being judged by anyone simply because they have a differing opinion. The game is about fun .... how we extract that fun is a personal choice .... thank you

You are right, a lot of us do live in free countries, and therefore free to judge people by their actions.

 

[Jack]

I am absolutely not that fast, trust me. I am humbled by the fact that there are many that can clean my clock.

If it's fun for you not being able to make it past the first lap, knock yourself out. My intention is not to be disrespectful to anyone on the track or in my posts here but the sarcasm in your post is somewhat disrespectful IMO.

I will run at 800PP as a sign that I mean no ill will but I can't promise I'll do it all the time.

FLF

My post was clear to the point with a little sarcasm included. We have had these discussions here at GTP before and I have made my point alot harder than posted above. I find your statement of "your not going to catch me" disrespectful too.

With the PAL, there are alot less punters around now than there ever has been. From what Ive heard about NTSC, the rate as also come down. I suggest racing at GTP times to get a clean race or buy a PAL disc if needed.

Lowering PP is cheating IMO. You are put into a random draw when the grid selection is made and you are cheating that system by lowering the PP. Why should you get a better grid slot because of one less PP when we both want the same thing? You shouldnt.

Most punters dont make it pasted turn 2 and soon get dropped off. If you decide / carry on racing at GTP times please use the correct PP.

Last I checked, we lived in a free country and had the freedom to make our own choices based on our personal preferences and don't feel that I should be judged by anyone for making a simple choice that simply differs from theirs.

Last time I checked, we were using an online forum to have good, fun, clean racing and not to cheat the system by getting an advantage from the PP system.

 

[FatLeadFoot]

My post was clear to the point with a little sarcasm included. We have had these discussions here at GTP before and I have made my point alot harder than posted above. I find your statement of "your not going to catch me" disrespectful too.
Lowering PP is cheating IMO. You are put into a random draw when the grid selection is made and you are cheating that system by lowering the PP. Why should you get a better grid slot because of one less PP when we both want the same thing? You shouldnt.

Most punters dont make it pasted turn 2 and soon get dropped off. If you decide / carry on racing at GTP times please use the correct PP.

Last time I checked, we were using an online forum to have good, fun, clean racing and not to cheat the system by getting an advantage from the PP system.

I admitted above that my statement was a bit harsh but I thought I explained myself clearly in another post about what I meant. If you would like a personal apology then this is it. OK?

 

[Jack]

I admitted above that my statement was a bit harsh but I thought I explained myself clearly in another post about what I meant. If you would like a personal apology then this is it. OK?

There's one thing I'm not and that is a cheat. You can say I'm in violation of PP guidelines set forth by GTP. If I happen to end up in one of your contests unintentionally, I will pull over and park it. I respectfully want you to know that you nor anyone on this earth has the right to call me a cheater. That's a judgment of my character which you have no business making since you have no idea who I am and the life I lead. I'm not looking to get into a pissing match with you but just so you know.

Yes you did explain yourself. You explained that you like clean, fun racing and there is nothing wrong with that. You also explain that you like to manipulate the PP system to gain an advantage, and there is something wrong with that.

In my previous posts I didnt mean contest, but the organised fun race meetings people have set up. Contests are a different issue but you dont have a GTP tag so thats a different matter and not important here.

You are right, I dont know you. But what I do know is the information you have given in this thread. You have said you like to gain an advantage you have not earned by manipulating the PP system. In my eyes thats cheating and I stand by it.

 

[FatLeadFoot]

If you could, please remove my quote from your post. Thanks.

 

[IsmokeGT]

If anyone thinks going by the rules PD has given us is cheating then you have serious flaws in your logic. It says on every race "maximum of XXpp." Thus, there is NO minimum. They have it set like this for a reason. Im not here to explain the rules, but to say FatLeadFoot is cheating because he drops a few pp is ludicrous.

Hitting is cheating. Brake checking is cheating. Those are 2 examples of things you get PEANLTIES for... because it is CHEATING. I am not taking sides, except PD's. Play within the confines of their rules and you are not cheating. (before anyone quotes me, the runoff area is needed for when people push you off. That can be abused and should be considered cheating when you dont get pushed off:tup

 

[Stotty]

Meh, people who lower their PP's by one or two just to get a better grid slot might not be cheating, but they certainly are sad tossers.

 

[Synwraith]

One thing I don't understand. People are expressing the desire to have a good clean race and yet are taking measures to avoid being among the pack of other cars..i.e...racing. Starting at the front and avoiding the alleged chaos then disappearing when the rest of the pack cause the aforementioned chaos...this is racing? This is fun?

If you want to race clean drivers who respect you at all times, I recommend having a look at the scheduled GTP races and events in the race events forum. But if you choose to run there at those times we ask that you respect the rules of this forum's OLR guidelines and use the max PP so as not to gain a start line advantage you did not earn.

All the best
Maz

 

[EDK]

What was the original subject of this thread again?

Entered a race, Im in it but no car and what looks like panoramic view of the race between 2 cars at Daytona Oval, tried to leave and came up with the usual not aloud during a race. Wonder if update this morning as done this

Oh yeah, that was it.

I think the debate between lowering PP a couple of points, or not, could go on forever. Personally, I think it even depends on the race. At the Daytona Oval WE, I tried a few races and was so frustrated with the poor racing, I just quit even trying. So I could see the temptation for the lower PP.

With something like 550PP at Suzuka, I see no reason to try it.

I can appreciate the passion behind both sides of the argument, but I don't think we're going to solve anything here.

I would only ask that if you are participating in GTP_Posted events, you comply with the PP for said event (Max PP).

Beyond that, it's up to you. But understand that lowering PP could create some controversy around your reputation.

Anyhow, let's try to get this thing back on topic.


Kevin

 

[Duke of Pendle]

Meh, people who lower their PP's by one or two just to get a better grid slot might not be cheating, but they certainly are sad tossers.

One thing I don't understand. People are expressing the desire to have a good clean race and yet are taking measures to avoid being among the pack of other cars..i.e...racing. Starting at the front and avoiding the alleged chaos then disappearing when the rest of the pack cause the aforementioned chaos...this is racing? This is fun?

If you want to race clean drivers who respect you at all times, I recommend having a look at the scheduled GTP races and events in the race events forum. But if you choose to run there at those times we ask that you respect the rules of this forum's OLR guidelines and use the max PP so as not to gain a start line advantage you did not earn.

All the best
Maz

+1 both of the above. Well put guys 👍👍

 

[IsmokeGT]

Before the flaming starts, or continues, I will say I always run max pp and have NOT run Daytona since one day after the update.

I dont know how many Europeans know who Coolio is, but he made a song and if you change one word in that song it fits Daytona 800pp perfectly... "Living in a Punters Paradise." LOL, I cant believe I just wrote that, lol!!!

edit: after reading EDK's post- Apparently "EDK" stands for "Voice of Reason"

 

[superwally]

Correct, EDK. Unnecessary post deleted.

 

[ANFD]

You are right, a lot of us do live in free countries, and therefore free to judge people by their actions.

"Meh, people who lower their PP's by one or two just to get a better grid slot might not be cheating, but they certainly are sad tossers."

I'm not so sure I want to be a part of a community with people who think they are God. I don't remember Kaz appointing you the interpretation of the game gurus. I'm just blown away by your remarks 👎 I simply explained another point of view and you guys resort to immature name calling. Is this what GTP is all about ? If so, you can consider me gone

 

[EDK]

What was the original subject of this thread again?



Oh yeah, that was it.


Anyhow, let's try to get this thing back on topic.


Kevin

"Meh, people who lower their PP's by one or two just to get a better grid slot might not be cheating, but they certainly are sad tossers."

I'm not so sure I want to be a part of a community with people who think they are God. I don't remember Kaz appointing you the interpretation of the game gurus. I'm just blown away by your remarks 👎 I simply explained another point of view and you guys resort to immature name calling. Is this what GTP is all about ? If so, you can consider me gone

You can come and go as you please, everyone is subject to their own opinion, and I did not see name calling directed at any individual, only an opinion on the actions of others.


Nothing productive left here. Shutting this one down.