What companies would you like emphasized/added?

What companies would you like emphasized/added?

  • Opel/Vauxhall/Holden

    Votes: 9 7.8%
  • Jaguar/Aston Martin

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Rolls Royce/Bentley

    Votes: 2 1.7%
  • Ferrari/Porsche/Lamborghini

    Votes: 59 50.9%
  • Audi/Volkswagen/Mercedes

    Votes: 5 4.3%
  • FIAT

    Votes: 2 1.7%
  • Alfa Romeo

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Citroën/Renault/Peugeot

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • SEAT

    Votes: 2 1.7%
  • Saab/Volvo

    Votes: 8 6.9%
  • Honda/Acura

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Nissan/Datsun/Infiniti

    Votes: 3 2.6%
  • Toyota/Lexus

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Subaru

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Daihatsu

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Daewoo/Kia/Hyundai

    Votes: 2 1.7%
  • General Motors

    Votes: 8 6.9%
  • Ford Motor Company

    Votes: 3 2.6%
  • Chrysler Corporation

    Votes: 2 1.7%
  • other

    Votes: 8 6.9%

  • Total voters
    116
I didn't know how to do multiple choice. Here are my explainations for the choices.

Opel, Vauxhall, and Holden are pretty much the same cars.

Mercedes, Volkswagen, and Audi are the German group.

Saab & Volvo are the Swedish group.

Hyundai, Daewoo & Kia are the Korean group.

Citroen, Peugeot, and Renault are the French group.

Rolls Royce & Bentley are pretty much the same car, whereas Jaguar and Aston Martin are the "other British cars".

Nissan, Datsun & Infiniti are or were affiliated. The same goes for Honda & Acura and Toyota & Lexus.

General Motors, Chrysler, and Ford are simply listed by their corporate name due to a rather large list of brands. GM, for example, would have 8 different brands.
 
Porsche, Fer, lam were mine

i'll buy gt5 the day it comes out, just because of howgood the franchicse has progressed.

Yet i really want to see some of the porsche gt cars in there, i mean in the Rolex 24 hour race(caught the tale end on speed tv a few days ago) it seemed that most of the gt class cars were of porsche design, so why not try and get a few more in. Yet i think i picked F-L-P because those were the cars you dreamed about as a kid, and since Gt4 acts as a way of getting my racing fix, i'd like to see one of my dream cars in there.

The truth is to me though, adding cars that are fun to drive and new to the series, wheter the car itself: pontiac ferio, or a manufacturer: ferrari it'll make me enjoy and laud GT5 that much more
 
Nice to see another Texan on here... I can even wished that whatever Ferraris Ferarri of Houston offers made it into GT5. But the fact is that they all cost money and usually mean approval of the dealer or owner. If this was easy as pie, PD would have included such companies a long time ago. I wanted to see more Australian autos, so I selected Vauxhall/Holden/Opel or whatever. I fail to believe that Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini are the only car companies that matter to a racing game. Think of all the people who love Jaguar, Aston Martin, Mercedes-Benz, Alfa Romeo... come on now. I know the three makes we are debating are all solid car companies, but even there are car companies even more prestigious and just as legendary that many of us are totally neglecting. Gran Turismo 4 went as far as the Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren in terms of the latest supercars. It's no Ferrari, but it isn't a crappy exotic. The best chance PD has in getting pure exotics while staying away from Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini is likely Koenigsegg. If Codemasters can get them in their games, so can PD.

Again, it's the obsession and the fact that three little car companies will make a game overall better that upsets me. That's why I selected Vauxhall/Opel/Holden, but especially Holden. As many other companies are important, we must consider the ones whose dream cars aren't made by Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini. Consider everyone and don't be so one-sided.
 
Robin 2223
VAUXHALL! :drool:

Exactly!!!!

More Vauxhalls for all

*Goes on to list numerous GTE's, GSI's and VXR's along with SRI and loads of normal family cars*

All the astra's, Vectra's, corsa's, Nova's Every car ever produced by Vauxhall in the last 25 years.
 
Pontiac! They left out every one of Pontiac's legendary cars except for the original GTO, which they still got wrong (4.11 gears without posi? That doesn't even exist!). So, I voted for GM, even though Chevy's already fairly well-represented.
 
I voted General Motors as I would like to see more of them. Also, if PD continue to add trucks to the game, I'd like to see some General Motors Camion (GMC) like Yukon's, Sierra's (woohoo :D) :)

An appearance of the REAL '90 Camaro IROC-Z (not the one in GT4) would be great. Maybe some 89-91 Cavalier Z-24 with the 3.1 V6. Also, the good old 90-92 Chevy Blazer 4.3 VORTEC :D :D


EDIT: A picture of a real IROC-Z: http://www.iroczone.com/images/gallery/greyiroc.jpg
 
I think Lambos, and ferraris would take up space in the game, it's a waste, waste that i can waste with my Japanaese anti-waste cars.
 
Judging on how this poll is going, this is basically a petition to have Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini in the game or people will not get a PS3 and GT5.
 
JohnBM01
Judging on how this poll is going, this is basically a petition to have Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini in the game or people will not get a PS3 and GT5.
Been said before, look at above post.
 
Ferrari / Porsche / Lamborghini

the people have spoken , its kinda lame they have been missing for so long - GT2 should have added them in bucketloads
 
Badsight
Ferrari / Porsche / Lamborghini

the people have spoken , its kinda lame they have been missing for so long - GT2 should have added them in bucketloads
It's not lame YOUR lame, like i've said before, if your gonna be a whinning child about Ferraris, Lambos, and Porsche's play a different game. But don't expect PD to really listen to a couple people, they look at the mass majority in this world, and of the majority of people that i've seen on so many forums, most people really care less, they like it how it is, and they can respect PD for what hey give us, that's how i look at it. And anyways i have Forza, and MostWanted if i wanted Ferrari or Lambos in that game i would, but so far i havnt seen a need since i got Japanese cars.
 
People just want it because they want the chance to drive the hell out of an exotic car they probably will never be able to own.... At least that's my reason. :D
 
Classic Anycar
I didn't know how to do multiple choice. Here are my explainations for the choices.

Opel, Vauxhall, and Holden are pretty much the same cars.

...

General Motors, Chrysler, and Ford are simply listed by their corporate name due to a rather large list of brands. GM, for example, would have 8 different brands.

Up until the early '80s GM's original foreign brands (which excludes Saab and Daewoo) had very little in common between the three lineups, though many models could easily pass as offerings from the General's American brands (e.g. the PC series Vauxhall Cresta was a dead ringer for a 1964-65 Malibu/Chevelle). Heck, the only true Holden that is available in Europe is the Monaro, and even that's being phased out.

Also, would it have made more sense to lump Opel/Vauxhall/Holden with the rest of GM? Kind of a moot point now, but it's just a thought.
 
RO_JA
People just want it because they want the chance to drive the hell out of an exotic car they probably will never be able to own.... At least that's my reason. :D
AND LIKE I SAID! play a game that has them. GEE! has that ever accurd to ya? eh?
 
Classic Anycar
I didn't know how to do multiple choice. Here are my explainations for the choices.

Opel, Vauxhall, and Holden are pretty much the same cars. QUOTE]

:crazy: there not the same at all
thats why ones called opel, ones called vauxhall....
anyway screw those 2 companies, just add more holdens
 
Master_Yoda
It's not lame YOUR lame, like i've said before, if your gonna be a whinning child about Ferraris, Lambos, and Porsche's play a different game. But don't expect PD to really listen to a couple people, they look at the mass majority in this world, and of the majority of people that i've seen on so many forums, most people really care less, they like it how it is, and they can respect PD for what hey give us, that's how i look at it. And anyways i have Forza, and MostWanted if i wanted Ferrari or Lambos in that game i would, but so far i havnt seen a need since i got Japanese cars.
with your "whining child" label attempt could you please STFU

considering how prestigeous they are how can you defend their absence ? do you get offened at any little thing that forms critisim towards PD ?

seriously drop the fanboy defense attitude & look at what would benefit the game
 
Badsight
with your "whining child" label attempt could you please STFU

considering how prestigeous they are how can you defend their absence ? do you get offened at any little thing that forms critisim towards PD ?

seriously drop the fanboy defense attitude & look at what would benefit the game
In what way am i a fan boy?
 
Hold on, player... Let me make sort of a collage of points made by you, Mr. Badsight:

"the people have spoken, it's kind of lame they have been missing for so long - GT2 should have added them in bucketloads" - "with your 'whining child' label attempt could you please STFU...considering how prestigious they are how can you defend their abscence? Do you get offended at any little thing that forms criticism towards PD?" -"badsight"

(bold material: spelling errors)

I'm no nit-picker. But if I was, I'd comment on run-on sentences and such. It all boils down to this, so dig my flow: Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini have long been wanted in GT games. It isn't that PD doesn't care about the companies, but there's money and stuff involved. In addition to money, there's also the general interests of the car company itself. It isn't just about pursuing companies to be in the game. You are looking at certain games in which the company may not allow their products to be used in the game. Someone made kind of a jackass statement about Ferrari not being in the game because it doesn't want to get beat by a Skyline or something.

Porsche isn't in the game, but Ruf is a nice alternative. Yeah, it isn't Porsche, but at least it's the next best thing. Perhaps even better than Porsche. I've heard of Rufs being better performers than the Porsches they modify or resemble. To give you some perspective, I give you exhibit A: { http://www.ruf-automobile.de/english/index1.htm }. That is the ENGLISH version of Ruf GmbH (what does GmbH stand for anyway? I seen it once, but forget what it means). It isn't Porsche, but there are even some Rufs that would look nice. If you look at the "Ruf Models" menu, you'll note two pretty new autos, the Ruf RT12 available with three different bi-turbo (twin turbo) engines: 530 bhp, 560 bhp, and even 650hp. I think the 650hp motor has 3.8 liters of displacement. Now on torque, you're going to have to do some conversions on the torque. I recommend you use http://www.onlineconversion.com . But, torque numbers for the respective engines are 790 Nm for the 530hp motor, 750 Nm for the 560hp motor, and 870 Nm for the 650hp motor. The Ruf RK Spyder packs 420hp and 450 Nm of torque. I think most of the Porsches they do are more powerful than what Porsche even offers.

What's lame is people thinking Ferrari and/or Porsche alone will make GT better. And let's face it, there are already a number of established Italian makes that aren't Ferrari. I can think of two very good ones- Alfa Romeo and Pagani. Okay, Pagani hasn't gotten to "established" status, but they do make exotic cars. The founder used to work for Lamborghini for Christ's sake! Isn't that enough credibility? Bottom line: Ferrari and such are all established makes, but even the best of racing games can do without such companies because all that matters is a solid and appreciative racing game that does everything right and hardly anything wrong.
 
JohnBM01
What's lame is people thinking Ferrari and/or Porsche alone will make GT better
hmmm , lets see

a GT4 version without Lamboghini/ferrari/porsche

or a GT4 version WITH Lamboghini/ferrari/porsche

i can tell instantly which would be the better game to own - they are only conspicious because of their absense

here at this forum you say the game is better for having Utes & Van & wagons - but then you do a 180 & say the game wouldnt be any better at all if it included Lamboghini/ferrari/porsche

not only that - but that its "lame" to think that

so what is it really ? your opinion i mean - are you posting the opposite POV simply for debates sake or do you actually have a unified opinion on this

i could care less - just pointing out the seeming total opposing views your stating at the same forum . "ohh heres something to disagree with"

& yes , IRL RUF's are very nice cars & improved upon the base they use
 
The thing is, with or without the companies in question, they are just car companies. I'm not saying that in disrespect, but it's just that they are car companies. I'd love to see them myself. You can't just say GT would be better with Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini. You can't just add on storied car companies without actually thinking about what actually makes a game good. The assumption here from what you're talking is that GT is a good game, but Ferrari, Porsche, and/or Lamborghini would make it better. Think about it. What makes a racing game better- high-profile car makers, or variety in races and cars? Just adding the car companies alone isn't going to make the game any better, because as far as I'd be concerned, your model would just be GT4... only with Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini. Basically, you think the game will be much more better by just including these companies. Guess what. As many people want to say that GT is basically the same game over and over again (uh, "Dynasty Warriors," anyone (not that I've played a game in the series)?), just with some more car companies.

The one thing I hate is obsession, especially with elements which doesn't really factor into making a good racing game. The most popular objects of obsession are the three car companies we've been referring to since the poll turned completely lopsided. We're talking about three wonderful sports car companies, but even then, they are still car companies. I haven't heard anyone or seen anyone type about how Forza Motorsport is the best racing game because Ferrari and Porsche are in. And there's a reason for that. A game has to be good on its own. Racing games don't need high-profile companies just to get people's attention. To get attention with PD, you do things old-school. It's all about the drive, the race, the challenge, and the cars. As much as I like Ferraris, Porsches, and Lamborghinis, I'm not too obsessed about seeing them because they are only cars, not an all-out attempt to get people to play a game. Gran Turismo doesn't rely on bigtime companies. Instead, they rely on quality racing for any level. What good is adding Ferrari and such if the game isn't as good as the cars in it? You can't just simply stick in these three companies and expect everyone to love it. Hell, GT4 could have had the Ferrari Enzo and if the game wasn't good enough, then even with that Ferrari, the package won't be a good one.

All in all, you have to learn to live without. GT is not a bad game because it doesn't have the cars you want to see. What's more important is enjoying the game at any speed in any car. And you want sports cars and storied car companies? Ever heard of Mercedes-Benz? Alfa Romeo? Jaguar? Aston Martin? Lotus, perchance? There's even Pagani with sweet cars. Want to write them off too? Be thankful for the sports cars you DO have in GT4. I want to see Ferrari and stuff in GT5, but I'm not obsessed or think it will seriously benefit the series. The worst racing game can have the best companies. If the game isn't good, then the game sucks no matter what companies are in the game. If the game has a bad choice of cars but a good game, then what do you say? Is it a winner because the game has great cars, or a failure because the game isn't as good as the cars included? Food for thought. Not to mention a little excercise for your eyes and mind. I've included a lot because I wanted to take on as many issues as I can, and you bring up a number of points I want to get across.
 
JohnBM01
You can't just say GT would be better with Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini. .
sorry but yes you can

GT4 with extra content is not worse or the same . its bigger & better - content (lack of) can make the game boring or can keep it from being boring . this game is a racer - tracks & vehicles are whats needed , not excuses

no matter the brand or model - extra is always going to make for greater playability

now considering how awesome these 3 brands are - its lame that they have been left . i dont need to make excuses for PD . im the end-user , not a stockholder

they want cash for their product , they should deliver what their competition is capable of
 
Well, but they have a certain budget to consider too. If it costs the equivalent of 30 car licences to get a Porsche and that really would hurt the GT budget, I say wait till it looks more attractive. I do want those supercars in GT5, but not if it means whacking a lot of other stuff from it because Sony doesn't want to pony up the money. Which is really a shame. It's not like Sony couldn't afford it and I'm sure that sales would bump up even more because of it. But we'll see.

However, one thing Gran Turismo isn't because of the lack of the supercars, is boring.
 
If you have a PS2 and want some Ferrari action, look to the old game "Ferrari F355 Challenge." You get the Ferrari F355 around a bunch of tracks around the world. Either that or "Need for Speed 2: Hot Pursuit."

Tenacious D, there are supercars. The Mercedes SLR McLaren is one, even though people rag on it because there's an automatic. The Jaguar XJ220 is always a British treat, even 13 years later. The Ford GT is an American supercar paying tribute to the GT40s (a.k.a. the "Ferrari slayers"). The Nissan R390 Road Car is a supercar, even if its horsepower numbers say otherwise. Speaking of supercars, the Honda NSX was more like an affordable, practical exotic. I wouldn't call it a supercar, but it was a vehicle that was pretty good while it lasted. Now Honda's best sports car is the S2000, but maybe some supercharging or something would make for a car perhaps more likable. Oh, and let's not forget that bastard of a car, the TVR Cerbera Speed 12. So there are high-powered exotics that you can win or earn, then be able to modify them any way you like within the boundaries of Gran Turismo.

Many people wished GT's car list can be like this: { http://www.webquad.com/forza/content/view/39/44/ }. Thing is, many of us tire of "it's inexcusable to pass up Ferrari, Porsche, and/or Lamborghini." Well, how is it inexcusable? I know they are good car companies, but you can live without them in a racing game. How have Gran Turismo games been successful- by the cars, or by the action? I'm sure PD understands just how wonderful the three companies are. We would all want to see them in the game. Thing is, if you're going to feature these car companies, at least have a good game to play them with. What good is ANY car company in the game if the game itself sucks? Just dropping in Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini isn't going to cure the ills of the Gran Turismo series. It isn't like a sports team, where you can just drop in a big money athlete and have him/her a factor for the team. GT doesn't use the cars in the game as its marketing point, especially not with specific brands. So you can petition and lobby for the car companies to show up all you want. Fact of the matter is, it's not the end of the world if Ferrari and such aren't in the game. That's your problem. You let a single non-essential factor decide if the game is good or not. It's much the same way people wanted GT4. All I heard about GT4 was online play, online play, online play. PD dropped online play for GT4, and look what happened. Next thing you know it, 5.5 trillion people had to get their diapers changed, get their bottles of milk warmed, and were crying like the world was coming to an end. Then interest was lost in GT4 by the whole world because people thought PD shafted the people at the last minute. So essentially, online play would have meant a brand-new GT4 game, but instead, people thought it was just another lackluster GT. Yeah, forget good graphics, extra tuning options, a revised physics model, extra cars, extra tracks, extra races, LAN play, and all that... online play was the only thing that mattered and people thought GT4 could have been better because of a non-essential feature. Way to go. 👍

The point of the previous paragraph is that you shouldn't let just cars and car makers get you in the game, especially not stuff like Ferrari and such. Read this question carefully. Explain to me why including Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini would make GT5 a better game, and also explain why we should all care more about putting in these companies rather than making sure the game is fun and feature-packed. This better be good, since I proven my point several times.
 
Badsight
GT4 with extra content is not worse or the same . its bigger & better - content (lack of) can make the game boring or can keep it from being boring . this game is a racer - tracks & vehicles are whats needed , not excuses
I'd take quality over quantity anyday. 1000 cars in GT5 would be pointless if you just have more of the same types of cars (eg. more 63hp hatches, more skylines.) 450 or 500 cars with good variety would be fine. Yes I want Ferarri and Porsche in the game (I don't have much love for Lamborghini:indiff:). But they aren't absolutely necessary. And I'm not confident that they will make GT5.

Wanted Ferraris:F40, F50, Enzo, F430, 360CS, 575 and 360 GTCs, 1960s Le Mans Ferraris, 333SP.
Wanted Porsches: 911 GT3 road and racing versions, 997 911 Carrera S, Carrera GT, Porsche 962, 911 GT1.
 
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