What do YOU think should be done with the World Trade Center?

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Should the towers be built back?

  • Yes

    Votes: 24 72.7%
  • No

    Votes: 9 27.3%

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Originally posted by The White Tornado
Yeah, I'd like to see major improvements too. Like stronger materials.

Man, the towers were two of the stongest buildings ever built. Keep in mind that there were hundreds (thousands?) of gallons of flaming jet fuel that were melting the infrastructure of the building. They withstood direct impact from two of the biggest jet airplanes ever made, including the explotion. I have to say that I'm rather impressed by that feat. They also interviewed the architect that designed them, which I was happy they did. He didn't seem to emotionally hurt by the loss of the buildings, but more like proud that they did so well.

~LoudMusic
 
Originally posted by LoudMusic


Man, the towers were two of the stongest buildings ever built. Keep in mind that there were hundreds (thousands?) of gallons of flaming jet fuel that were melting the infrastructure of the building. They withstood direct impact from two of the biggest jet airplanes ever made, including the explotion. I have to say that I'm rather impressed by that feat. They also interviewed the architect that designed them, which I was happy they did. He didn't seem to emotionally hurt by the loss of the buildings, but more like proud that they did so well.

~LoudMusic
Yeah, I know they were the strongest in the world. But they were built in the 70s? 80s? I'm sure we have more stronger materials now, than when we built them.
 
Originally posted by The White Tornado
Yeah, I know they were the strongest in the world. But they were built in the 70s? 80s? I'm sure we have more stronger materials now, than when we built them.

Ah, true. I've often wondered what kind of damage a fire would do to a highrise or sky scraper like the Towers. They said the fires were just too hot and too wide spread for the sprinkler system to keep up. I also imagine that the explotion nocked out the majority of the plumming and electical in the upper portion of the buildings.

No matter what is done, someone will come along with ideas for destroying it, and someone else will have the funds to make it happen.

Alas, such is the eb and flow of life ...

There is no good without evil - there is no evil without good.

~LoudMusic
 
I think it was an architectural feat that the buildings toppled straight down instead of onto an adjacent building. That would have caused a hell of a lot more damage.
 
Originally posted by Klostrophobic
I think it was an architectural feat that the buildings toppled straight down instead of onto an adjacent building. That would have caused a hell of a lot more damage.

Yeah, that was another thing the architect mentioned. Buildings are designed to do that. They take airplane crashes into consideration when they design tall buildings, and everything happened as expected. Supposedly they were even aware of the heat issue, but knew nothing could be done. I think it came down a few hours quicker than they originally expected though. Just old steel, or extra hot fires.

~LoudMusic
 
Re-build both towers, and make a memorial (park) by the site of where the first tower struck. All 3000+ names should be included on a wall of some sort. I'd visit the opening of it, if possible, and cheer on the construction crew, as well!
 
Build it back bigger and better... The biggest **** YOU! you can come up with! :thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by Klostrophobic
No, the US government.

There is a ton of money out there if they cut unimportant crap out like education.
This would be the worst thing the US ever did to the people. But, I would want to get out school. :D

BTW: You're just saying that cuz you don't have no kids! 😈
 
Originally posted by LoudMusic


Yeah, that was another thing the architect mentioned. Buildings are designed to do that. They take airplane crashes into consideration when they design tall buildings, and everything happened as expected. Supposedly they were even aware of the heat issue, but knew nothing could be done. I think it came down a few hours quicker than they originally expected though. Just old steel, or extra hot fires.

~LoudMusic

They did take into consideration a plane carshing into the WTC buildings, but at low speed, and a smaller size then the 767 that crashed into it.

What happened was(thanks to the WTC show on TLC) when the planes crashed into the buildings, the explosion blew the firesealant(sp?) off the steel. This exposed the truss system that the buildings used.

The WTC used a different method then the other skyrises, it was a tube shape. It had a Exoskeleton, rather then a skeleton on the inside like the Empire State Building. All the elevators, stairs and such, were in the center part of the building(and when the planes hit the buildings, it severed the escape paths for those above the crash area). The floors were held up by the trusses, which were made of little metal, but where extremely strong.

Back to the fire sealant. When it was gone, the metal had nothing to protect it, and since the trusses were made of thin steel, rather then the big I-Beams, it would warp and bend faster then a normal building. Once the truss was gone the $ inch concrete slab would fall on the floor below, breaking it, and creating a domino effect. since it was all in this huge tube, it had nowhere else to go but down.

The exoskeleton is what saved the surrounding buildings, and what saved the WTC from the bombing in '93/'94.
 
What your dealing with is one of the most valuable pieces of real estate on the planet, so building anything that won't turn a profit is out of the question. Rebuilding the towers would be difficult to say the least considering how expensive it would be to build two buildings of that size. I have heard rumblings of 4 smaller buildings, with a memorial plaza in the middle. That's what I would lay odds on, because too many people might be wary of ever building them again because it invites the temptation for anyone down the line to re-enact the disaster.
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yes they need to be rebuilt to show the world that america will not crumble and yes there needs to be a memorial site there who in there right mind would not put one there

but do they need to be as big why do i say this since september 11th the business world as gone on it had to the work is being done else where it has to the time it will take to rebulid the WTC is years business hasnt stoped it never will it adapts like we do

at the end of the day what do you do I beleive the greatest memorial is to see WTC retured to its forma glory
 
Speaking of America not crumbling, anyone heard the latest?

Apparently some dude tried to kick in the cockpit door of a night flight (don't know why...only heard part of the story). More than a few passengers and the copilot beat the everlasting piss out of him. :lol: The copilot actually hit the guy with a hatchet! :eek:

The "hi-jacker" spent several hours in the hospital before being carted away to jail. :D :thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by Tom McDonnell
What your dealing with is one of the most valuable pieces of real estate on the planet, so building anything that won't turn a profit is out of the question. Rebuilding the towers would be difficult to say the least considering how expensive it would be to build two buildings of that size. I have heard rumblings of 4 smaller buildings, with a memorial plaza in the middle. That's what I would lay odds on, because too many people might be wary of ever building them again because it invites the temptation for anyone down the line to re-enact the disaster.
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Every 20 or so floors you equip it with AA guns and SAM missles:D If it looks hostile, shoot it down:D
 
Originally posted by Pako
I think bigger and better than before. We need to show that even through adversity, we can rebuild and rise out of the rubble bigger and stronger than ever before.

As for the rubble left behind by the terrorist. . . . . .they should load it up into bombers and drop it on O' Ben.
I agree,if we ever find Osam Bin Gay we should dump it in his lap and say "You broke it,now you fix it"
 
Originally posted by space


Every 20 or so floors you equip it with AA guns and SAM missles:D If it looks hostile, shoot it down:D
Than the blown up plane or what ever will hit other buildings... :P we dont want that now.
 
ok now so im gonna be stupid and say the stupidest thing ever.....i think that they should rebuild them the way they were then put everyone's name of who dies so both can be there
 
Memorial. And then a bunch of sub-40 storey towers in a site in the city. It might sound heroic and prideful to build them back as they were, but its just stupid because when bin Laden's brainwashed homies decide to do it again, there are another 5,000 people dead. That would be STUPID. You know, there's a reason why someone once said "We should learn from our mistakes." Don't be stupid. Last I heard it was going to be a huge bridge over the harbor with 18 storeys. Now isn't that stupid? Now if they aren't incinerated, squashed, choked, or splattered all over the sidewalk, they can drown! Idiots are in charge of the USA and I won't sleep until they are OUT.
 
I don't believe that 100-story buildings should be seen there, but 70-80 stories may be reasonable for the centerpiece of the site. A park sharing space with offices and stores is rather appealing, but the idea of all sixteen acres being used as a memorial is not acceptable. I'd have a serious issue living in a city that would be so focused on death as opposed to continuing on with life.

Meanwhile, a proposal for the next 7 World Trade Center was recently shown. (the old 7 World Trade was a building about half the height of the towers, located next to them. Seven collapsed in the late afternoon on the 11th due to serious fires in the building).

The New York Times, May 14, 2002
"7 World Trade Is Envisioned As A Gateway"

Providing the first public glimpse of plans to replace the destroyed 7 World Trade Center, architects for Larry A. Silverstein said yesterday that the new building would be a transparent, "light-emanating shaft" designed as a gateway to the planned World Trade Center memorial and other buildings that are expected to be built there.

David M. Childs, a consulting partner at Skidmore Owings & Merrill, told a meeting of two committees of the local community board that the new structure would be the equivalent of 52 stories, significantly taller than the previous building, and would have a soaring glass lobby opening onto Greenwich Street to the east. The previous building was 47 stories and opened onto Vesey Street and the trade center plaza to its south.

Mr. Silverstein said excavation of the site, which started last week, will be completed by the middle of June. The Con Edison substation that will take up much of the bottom part of the building will be finished by September or October of 2003, though a portion of the station would be operational by that summer. The entire building would be finished by the end of 2005, he said.

The greater height of the proposed tower, at 750 feet versus the 616 feet of the original building, will compensate for the smaller space that it takes up on the ground. That area, known as the footprint, measures 34,000 square feet, compared with 44,000 square feet for the original, and was designed to accommodate the restoration of Greenwich Street past the building and possibly south through the trade center site.

Mr. Childs, speaking to members of Community Board 1, said that the architects had not yet designed the building's skeleton, but they had ideas of what it would look like. He said that it would be "as glassy a building as possible," and, although it would have a concrete core for elevators, would be "the inverse" of the previous granite and shaded-glass structure.

Noting that Greenwich Street originally marked the edge of the island of Manhattan, Mr. Childs said the new building "brings together two parts of the city that were destroyed in the 1970's" by the Trade Center: the street grid, with its view down Greenwich Street toward the southern tip of the island, and the original water's edge, which was pushed westward by landfill.

"We wanted to provide the city with a great shaft of light, creating those open views that are so wonderful in New York," Mr. Childs said. Noting that the architects might include some solar panels or alternative power sources in the building, he added, "We want this to be a dramatic gesture of the way we should design buildings, not only in this area but throughout the country."

The bottom 115 feet of the building, equivalent to about ten floors of a commercial office building, will contain the Con Edison substation that was destroyed in the collapse of 7 World Trade, Mr. Childs said. But the exterior of that part of the building would be covered with a lattice of artistically designed metalwork.

The remainder of the exterior would be a sort of "glass sleeve" that might drop down over part of the bottom floors, integrating the two parts, Mr. Childs said. He said he envisioned the project as similar to "the great obelisk leading into Luxor." The glass portion would extend upward over the top 42 stories. The entire tower would include about 1.65 million square feet of commercial space, about 15 percent less than the 1.93 million square feet of space in the previous building.

The community board does not have any authority over the project, which is on land leased by Mr. Silverstein from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. As such, the building does not need to conform with city building or environmental codes. But the community board will be making a recommendation about the project to the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, which along with the Port Authority, has jurisdiction over the redevelopment of the trade center area.

By restoring Greenwich Street, a triangle of land will be created, bounded by Barclay and Greenwich Streets and West Broadway. Madelyn G. Wils, a director of the development corporation and the chairwoman of the local community board, encouraged Mr. Silverstein to consider converting that space to parkland, adding to the open effect the new building will have on the area.

Mr. Childs said that was being considered, although a truck ramp into that portion of the site would in all likelihood remain there at least through the reconstruction. But he added that the design could provide for Greenwich Street either to be used for cars or only for pedestrians.
 
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They should be rebuilt, but smaller. We build them bigger, they'll knock 'em back down. Another tragedy like that would be devestating. I know you you wanna mak it bigger to show those fuggas whos boss. I would to cause I'm a native New Yorker. But its too risky
 
perhaps it should be built back and let there be a memorial for those who died in the horrible incident I guess september the 11th of this year there is probably gonna be a 2 minute silence in respect for the dead
 
I say the same Twin Towers and a memorial but we should do this later on when the war is ending to prevent more attacks (just a thought)
 

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