What does GT5 have over FM3?
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At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if it's shipped or sold to consumers from a business perspective. Several companies do this, not just Sony, when reporting sales numbers. Retailers have to estimate the demand and pay for the amount shipped. The amount of units sold to consumers doesn't have much of an effect on publishers when retailers are actually the ones paying them
And I'm assuming the actually "sold" numbers are taken from vgchartz. They are hardly considered reliable. They've been known to be off by millions for several games' sales.
I'll have to disagree here. While there are definitely some tracks in F3 that look better in terms of detail, the lighting in most of Forza 3's tracks is what turns me off about the graphics. Both games have tracks that look better than their competitors. GT5's nurburgring looks much more accurate and actually captures the intense feeling of racing on it, while GT5's Laguna Seca doesn't look as good as the one in F3. Both games have their share of bad looking tracks (Forza 3's Sebring, Motegi, Sedona; GT5's Trial Mountain, Deep Forest, Autumn Ring).
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+16 players DOUBLE FM3
+browsable user lobbies NOT POSSIBLE in FM3
+Open track while waiting for race
+Realistic Nordschleife not like FM fat and straight North Loop
+variable time of day
+variable weather
+rally racing (if you're into that, im not)
+better graphics
+more fun tracks
+more fun gameplay, most fun since PGR2
+no ugly white background screen
+no waste of time auction house
+no rewind feature
+no auto brake
+more realistic driving feel
+more realistic feeling road surface ie not flat like roads in FM
+supports way more steering wheels
+punishes cheaters online
+headtracking even if it's sadly only in arcade mode and only while in cockpit
+larger community it outsold FM3 total sales in a few days LOL, LOL
+browsable user lobbies NOT POSSIBLE in FM3
+Open track while waiting for race
+Realistic Nordschleife not like FM fat and straight North Loop
+variable time of day
+variable weather
+rally racing (if you're into that, im not)
+better graphics
+more fun tracks
+more fun gameplay, most fun since PGR2
+no ugly white background screen
+no waste of time auction house
+no rewind feature
+no auto brake
+more realistic driving feel
+more realistic feeling road surface ie not flat like roads in FM
+supports way more steering wheels
+punishes cheaters online
+headtracking even if it's sadly only in arcade mode and only while in cockpit
+larger community it outsold FM3 total sales in a few days LOL, LOL
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- HBR-Roadhog
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From someone who has played Forza 2 and 3 to death.
User created public lobbies.
No ability to setup an AWD Viper or AWD Ford GT.
Many more cars that can actually compete in a race.
Special events
B-Spec
Better tracks in general though Forza has some good ones that are not in GT5
Prize cars in career mode.
No ability to set the AI to easy and rewind if you make a mistake.
No auto brake
No Hoppers
2x more cars on the track at once.
Harder career mode races though still to easy.
That's just a few I can think of, Then again Forza 2 beats Forza 3 in almost every way.
User created public lobbies.
No ability to setup an AWD Viper or AWD Ford GT.
Many more cars that can actually compete in a race.
Special events
B-Spec
Better tracks in general though Forza has some good ones that are not in GT5
Prize cars in career mode.
No ability to set the AI to easy and rewind if you make a mistake.
No auto brake
No Hoppers
2x more cars on the track at once.
Harder career mode races though still to easy.
That's just a few I can think of, Then again Forza 2 beats Forza 3 in almost every way.
Here is the list:
GT5 pros:
* not just races, but different events like challenges and licenses. Rally, karts, rain, day/night transition. This is a big deal and I would like to see Turn 10 to introduce finally some variety in gameplay
* graphics looks more realistic because of better art design. Say reflections in GT5 looks more real, but in fact they are more primitive than Forza from tech point of view.
* driving is more interesting than Forza 3, but far behind Forza 2
Cons:
* weak physics
* AI sucks
* sound
GT5 pros:
* not just races, but different events like challenges and licenses. Rally, karts, rain, day/night transition. This is a big deal and I would like to see Turn 10 to introduce finally some variety in gameplay
* graphics looks more realistic because of better art design. Say reflections in GT5 looks more real, but in fact they are more primitive than Forza from tech point of view.
* driving is more interesting than Forza 3, but far behind Forza 2
Cons:
* weak physics
* AI sucks
* sound
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I have both Forza 3 and GT5. I bought the 360 for the sake of owning Forza 3. I've said many times on this forum that Forza 3 has alot of things going for it that GT5 doesn't. The customization aspect of F3 completely obliterates GT in that department. They don't even come close. To the engine swaps and the custom colours, to the body kits and the livery, I don't think the GT series will ever get to the level that Forza is at when it comes to customization. Also F3 has waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more events than GT5. The single player events in the game pretty much triple that of GT5's. And one more thing, I think Forza has better overall sounds during driving but this is debatable.
With all that said, I've played more GT5 in the two weeks than Forza 3 in 6 months. Forza just doesn't grab me like how GT does. One major thing is the physics/driving dynamics of the game. Forza 3 is way too forgiving and doesn't feel realistic at all. Try going on the Nurburgring in F3 and it's a walk in the park. Now go on the same track in GT5 and you'll be friggin sweating buckets trying to push the car to its limit. Now I exaggerate but you get the picture. Also, It could be the un-inspring replays of Forza. If anyone has ever watched the replays in the game, you'll see and hear why I say that. No doppler effect and crap camera angles leave for a very boring and uninspired replay.
I could list more but nothing that people haven't answered already. At the end of the day, it's all a matter of opinion and what you prefer. I love the 'feel' of driving and the adrenaline you get when you push the car to its limit. I don't get that with Forza 3, but I do get it all the time in GT5. Especially taking a brand new car and 'testing' it out on the 'Ring' just feeling every understeer/oversteer brings nothing but joy. hehe
With all that said, I've played more GT5 in the two weeks than Forza 3 in 6 months. Forza just doesn't grab me like how GT does. One major thing is the physics/driving dynamics of the game. Forza 3 is way too forgiving and doesn't feel realistic at all. Try going on the Nurburgring in F3 and it's a walk in the park. Now go on the same track in GT5 and you'll be friggin sweating buckets trying to push the car to its limit. Now I exaggerate but you get the picture. Also, It could be the un-inspring replays of Forza. If anyone has ever watched the replays in the game, you'll see and hear why I say that. No doppler effect and crap camera angles leave for a very boring and uninspired replay.
I could list more but nothing that people haven't answered already. At the end of the day, it's all a matter of opinion and what you prefer. I love the 'feel' of driving and the adrenaline you get when you push the car to its limit. I don't get that with Forza 3, but I do get it all the time in GT5. Especially taking a brand new car and 'testing' it out on the 'Ring' just feeling every understeer/oversteer brings nothing but joy. hehe
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That is not 2010 Suzuka. It is Kimi on that pic in the Ferrari so it has to be 2009. Also who said that they added more spectators stands in suzuka and is GT5 is using the latest model ?Laguna Seca in GT5 is really good but it is old track not the new one. Cars, tracks, physics have always been realistic on GT unlike Forza. But I hope they update their tracks and improve it all the time.
Buy Forza 2. It's a way better than Forza 3. You will be struggling with beginner's IS300 after GT5
Also you can do highly customized single races with the whole set of restrictions from events unlike Forza 3
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I have Forza 2 also. I might have to dust it off but honestly, I didn't notice anything 'significant' when it came to the physics of either games.
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Forza 2 is definitely better than Forza 3 in many ways. The career mode is better. It has career leaderboards, Local leaderboards custom public races, unranked online public races. The classes of cars are more competitive than in FM3 and there are no AWD Vipers nor Ford GT AWDs on the track.
imo the only things they did in Forza 3 that was a major step up was the private lobbies and the ability to gift a tune and to load a tune on a car that would automatically buy and install the correct parts for it.
As to the number of events in Forza 3. Yes there are a lot of them. Mostly boring ones with no reward. At least in Forza 2 there were prize cars for winning events. Forza 3 is the only racing game I have played to great length without bothering to finish career mode. Honestly it just never got my interest. To easy and to many boring events.
GT5 wins over both in the career mode. Hard to top Forza 2 for online play but I hope with more added features GT can pull it off.
imo the only things they did in Forza 3 that was a major step up was the private lobbies and the ability to gift a tune and to load a tune on a car that would automatically buy and install the correct parts for it.
As to the number of events in Forza 3. Yes there are a lot of them. Mostly boring ones with no reward. At least in Forza 2 there were prize cars for winning events. Forza 3 is the only racing game I have played to great length without bothering to finish career mode. Honestly it just never got my interest. To easy and to many boring events.
GT5 wins over both in the career mode. Hard to top Forza 2 for online play but I hope with more added features GT can pull it off.
Well In a personal opinion I will say a lot of stuff that I found both interesting and disappointing in these games,much of this is my personal opinion and in fact I think that is down to what people like in a racing game,so here goes:
Pro:
-In Forza 3:
*Better damage system.
*More "interactive AI" when is set to hard.
*Paint your car,and apply liveries(I'm don't really like this but a lot of people do).
*A slightly better car selection(more lambos and Porsche).
*Better body kits and ore variety when customizing(Again I don't like this).
*Matchmaking or racemaking system.
*Some nice tracks like Fujimi Kaido.
*cockpit view in all cars.
-In GT5:
*Track with Day/night transition and weather.
*Rally stages.
*More Racing categories like some F1 racing as well karting and NASCAR(I don't like nascar but I think some do like that left turn based racing).
*Track Creator(or track random creator,something that I really like).
*More graphics in the important cars and tracks.
*1000 cars(I know about standards but since there are like 700 cars without the variations of the same car that is a pretty good number of different drivable models,even if they don't have cockpits).
*Photo travel mode.
*Special events.
*Better physics,and better feel of the game overall.
*Better overall online mode.
*More tracks(I say this because in FM3 there is like 8 tracks based on the same location,in example ladera test track and monserrat,which are advertised as different locations but at the end is the same track).
*(personally)A harder game(earning credits in FM3 is a joke).
*More cars while racing.
*Play free online.
Cont:
-In FM3:
*The rewind function(something that I personally hate,this makes online players more stupid and childish when racing,besides it takes all the challenge that racing represents,this for me is a cont,this feature was introduced by Grid and had restrictions,but the unrestricted rewind function just spoils the challenge that AI manages to give you).
*Replays,the replay are not that good looking,I know that you can see a lot of cameras but the main one is just awful unfortunately)
*Graphics and brightness(FM3 nurburgring looks to dark and unfriendly,like nurburgring wasteland, don't like it at all,also cockpits are not well textured,they are not at the same level of Dirt or GT in that aspect).
*Lack of tracks and lack of city tracks as well night tracks.
*DLC,if you want a good updated version of the game it will cost you at least $20 in DLC alone,something that will probably will happen with GT5.
*lack of variety in races.
*Loading times(nurburgring takes about 1:30 to load,as well some slowing down when loading cars on the dealerships).
*Lack of original tracks(just 2 new addition in the tracks selection,and Le Mans doesn't look good).
*Lack of other motor sports like rally.
*Also the online mode which is a joke compared to what they did on FM2.
*Physics overall are plagued with flaws such as 2WD cars converted into 4WD cars?,Is good to see this in cars like skylines and Japanese tuning cars but an Italian F430 4WD,forget it,cars lost a lot their identity.
*Lack of cars while racing I'm fine with 10,but they cant do that.
*Endurance races,which are just a long arcade race with a mandatory pit stop,is not as dynamic as GT5 and lacks a lot of things like a animated pit crew,which gives you a lot of sense of realism.
*The In-car issue,yes FM3 has almost 550 cars with cockpits,but the driver looks really bad,no much of the interior can be seen from outside and the whole game reduces resolution while on race,I know this because that loading time while entering in photomode is to load the details that the players should be looking at while racing.
*Finally the lack of exporting images to others formats and other devices,that really hurts photomode.
-GT5:
*700 standards(they drive as they should,but they don't look as they should,very disappointing there).
*Lack of livery.
*Damage(I mean Lv 20 but still not as good as FM3 does).
*lack of original tracks(probably been saved for DLC).
*Very poor Body kits and customisation overall.
*The levelling system.
*Mandatory B spec.
My point is simple,if you like to tune your car,make it look good and expend your time in making the car looks gorgeous then go to FM3,also FM3 is easier but if you like to drive the cars,really drive them and play with them go with GT,maybe the AI is not that good,but the concentration required to complete races is something really entertaining,and the physics work really well with all cars even with standards so GT5 is more of a driver's game,as you can see I take GT5 over FM3 because of the driving,I rather waste my time racing in nurburgring than building a car with Rei or Asuka on it,I do, is just how I am.
And I found online in GT5 much more entertaining,people are more skilled and while there is no damage(well there is thanks to an update)people race very well and they enjoy themselves,so is up to you to decide what you like the most,some say that you should have both,I say you should have both if you can,having two games and two systems is not bad,but see some features in one game,while the other one doesn't have it can be disappointing,so is all down to what you like that is all But MY personal opinion is that GT5 is way better,but because of the reasons that I just explain.
Edit:I like FM2 over FM3,had better physics and the online in that one was terrific.
Pro:
-In Forza 3:
*Better damage system.
*More "interactive AI" when is set to hard.
*Paint your car,and apply liveries(I'm don't really like this but a lot of people do).
*A slightly better car selection(more lambos and Porsche).
*Better body kits and ore variety when customizing(Again I don't like this).
*Matchmaking or racemaking system.
*Some nice tracks like Fujimi Kaido.
*cockpit view in all cars.
-In GT5:
*Track with Day/night transition and weather.
*Rally stages.
*More Racing categories like some F1 racing as well karting and NASCAR(I don't like nascar but I think some do like that left turn based racing).
*Track Creator(or track random creator,something that I really like).
*More graphics in the important cars and tracks.
*1000 cars(I know about standards but since there are like 700 cars without the variations of the same car that is a pretty good number of different drivable models,even if they don't have cockpits).
*Photo travel mode.
*Special events.
*Better physics,and better feel of the game overall.
*Better overall online mode.
*More tracks(I say this because in FM3 there is like 8 tracks based on the same location,in example ladera test track and monserrat,which are advertised as different locations but at the end is the same track).
*(personally)A harder game(earning credits in FM3 is a joke).
*More cars while racing.
*Play free online.
Cont:
-In FM3:
*The rewind function(something that I personally hate,this makes online players more stupid and childish when racing,besides it takes all the challenge that racing represents,this for me is a cont,this feature was introduced by Grid and had restrictions,but the unrestricted rewind function just spoils the challenge that AI manages to give you).
*Replays,the replay are not that good looking,I know that you can see a lot of cameras but the main one is just awful unfortunately)
*Graphics and brightness(FM3 nurburgring looks to dark and unfriendly,like nurburgring wasteland, don't like it at all,also cockpits are not well textured,they are not at the same level of Dirt or GT in that aspect).
*Lack of tracks and lack of city tracks as well night tracks.
*DLC,if you want a good updated version of the game it will cost you at least $20 in DLC alone,something that will probably will happen with GT5.
*lack of variety in races.
*Loading times(nurburgring takes about 1:30 to load,as well some slowing down when loading cars on the dealerships).
*Lack of original tracks(just 2 new addition in the tracks selection,and Le Mans doesn't look good).
*Lack of other motor sports like rally.
*Also the online mode which is a joke compared to what they did on FM2.
*Physics overall are plagued with flaws such as 2WD cars converted into 4WD cars?,Is good to see this in cars like skylines and Japanese tuning cars but an Italian F430 4WD,forget it,cars lost a lot their identity.
*Lack of cars while racing I'm fine with 10,but they cant do that.
*Endurance races,which are just a long arcade race with a mandatory pit stop,is not as dynamic as GT5 and lacks a lot of things like a animated pit crew,which gives you a lot of sense of realism.
*The In-car issue,yes FM3 has almost 550 cars with cockpits,but the driver looks really bad,no much of the interior can be seen from outside and the whole game reduces resolution while on race,I know this because that loading time while entering in photomode is to load the details that the players should be looking at while racing.
*Finally the lack of exporting images to others formats and other devices,that really hurts photomode.
-GT5:
*700 standards(they drive as they should,but they don't look as they should,very disappointing there).
*Lack of livery.
*Damage(I mean Lv 20 but still not as good as FM3 does).
*lack of original tracks(probably been saved for DLC).
*Very poor Body kits and customisation overall.
*The levelling system.
*Mandatory B spec.
My point is simple,if you like to tune your car,make it look good and expend your time in making the car looks gorgeous then go to FM3,also FM3 is easier but if you like to drive the cars,really drive them and play with them go with GT,maybe the AI is not that good,but the concentration required to complete races is something really entertaining,and the physics work really well with all cars even with standards so GT5 is more of a driver's game,as you can see I take GT5 over FM3 because of the driving,I rather waste my time racing in nurburgring than building a car with Rei or Asuka on it,I do, is just how I am.
And I found online in GT5 much more entertaining,people are more skilled and while there is no damage(well there is thanks to an update)people race very well and they enjoy themselves,so is up to you to decide what you like the most,some say that you should have both,I say you should have both if you can,having two games and two systems is not bad,but see some features in one game,while the other one doesn't have it can be disappointing,so is all down to what you like that is all But MY personal opinion is that GT5 is way better,but because of the reasons that I just explain.
Edit:I like FM2 over FM3,had better physics and the online in that one was terrific.
Very strange cause Forza 3 and Forza 2 physics are very different. Forza 3 cars feels like glued to the road compare to Forza 2, highly pronounced understeer and there is some feeling that spins are kind off self corrected.
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Well, FM3 has top level physics, the only problem is that it can be only seen with very limited amount of overpowered cars like AC Cobra or Top Secret Silvia S15.
Try AC Cobra on Laguna Seca in Forza 3 and GT5. GT5 physics simply lays in dust
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This is underestimation. When I drive 200 hp FWD car in Forza 3 on autumn track at 100 mph I feel like I can steer with one hand and get a cup of coffee into another.
In real life I would be close to heart attack
And Porsche GT2 1995 on Nurburgring feels more like Golf or something, every mistake can be corrected by simple wheel movement with ease
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No offence but it seems like most of you aren't looking at the positives of
GT5 and just negatives.
Opinion 1: "GT5 has 800 GT4 cars, thats lazy"
Yeaaa-no. 200 new cars is quite alot in terms of racing games plus, they have premium graphics which is even better. Then they give you 800 bonus cars and old classics which all can be tuned and modified.
IMO they have the same graphics as the new cars just less detail.
I find that really kind of PD. I know alot of people who would of just thrown in 800 cars which couldnt not be modded and with the original graphics.
Opinion 2: "Winding and grinding!"
Thats the thing I like about GT games compared to other racers. You can't just buy a really high performance car right off the bat, you have to earn it.
They also give you special events which give you a good sum of money towards your grinding.
I only just started grinding at lvl 19 or 20 because I was trying to buy a good drift car lol. Most of the time I was doing special events and buying cheap cars for one make events.
Cant be bothered to answer the rest. But what I'm trying to say is you cant justify FM3 anyway you try. GT has more cars, better online, a big selection of tracks including dirt and snow and the time and weather system. And lets not forget the psychics are much better this time around. The game has had a bigger development proccess so ofcourse it's going to be better.
FM3 is a great game but GT5 is even better. There a few things I like on FM3 but the positives out wheigh those. Can people stop trying to make GT5 seem like a bad game and face the facts please.
Also people always make mistakes with the amount sales, always! Sales dont matter anyway lol
GT5 and just negatives.
Opinion 1: "GT5 has 800 GT4 cars, thats lazy"
Yeaaa-no. 200 new cars is quite alot in terms of racing games plus, they have premium graphics which is even better. Then they give you 800 bonus cars and old classics which all can be tuned and modified.
IMO they have the same graphics as the new cars just less detail.
I find that really kind of PD. I know alot of people who would of just thrown in 800 cars which couldnt not be modded and with the original graphics.
Opinion 2: "Winding and grinding!"
Thats the thing I like about GT games compared to other racers. You can't just buy a really high performance car right off the bat, you have to earn it.
They also give you special events which give you a good sum of money towards your grinding.
I only just started grinding at lvl 19 or 20 because I was trying to buy a good drift car lol. Most of the time I was doing special events and buying cheap cars for one make events.
Cant be bothered to answer the rest. But what I'm trying to say is you cant justify FM3 anyway you try. GT has more cars, better online, a big selection of tracks including dirt and snow and the time and weather system. And lets not forget the psychics are much better this time around. The game has had a bigger development proccess so ofcourse it's going to be better.
FM3 is a great game but GT5 is even better. There a few things I like on FM3 but the positives out wheigh those. Can people stop trying to make GT5 seem like a bad game and face the facts please.
Also people always make mistakes with the amount sales, always! Sales dont matter anyway lol
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I could never go back to Forza 2 after playing Forza 3. The physics in Forza 2 feel so dated, it's almost incomparable. Forza 3, while not offering as good feedback in physics as say Race Pro 09, is right behind it. GT5 still needs work unfortunately.
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If you own both consoles play both games, if you like one you have no excuse not to appreciate the other one.
And about the comment of justifying FM3 if you try, well I have GT5 and have been playing FM3 since launch and still go back to playing FM3. Guess I am just not hardcore enough.
And about the comment of justifying FM3 if you try, well I have GT5 and have been playing FM3 since launch and still go back to playing FM3. Guess I am just not hardcore enough.
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- lator-illa
Wait are you essentially saying that Forza 3's physics engine is better than GT5's? You're kidding right?
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