What if GT4 had a challenge beyond the Super License...

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I had this idea last night, just couldn't post it because of my weak internet.

This is called the EX License, something I've created to be just as hard as the Super License, maybe even harder.

Some basic rules:

1. All times must be done on GT Mode > Free Run OR Arcade Mode > Time Trial.
2. Two wheels on the track (or vertically in line with it, if airborne) at all times. Curbs and any tarmac/concrete areas beyond the curbs are part of the track. On street courses, anything inside the track boundaries is part of the track. Anything outside of the track's white lines that would not cause you to fail the test upon going off onto are part of the track. Anything not mentioned on this rule is not part of the track. Basically, treat these as any other license test.
3. Light wall hits are allowed, but no wallriding will be allowed. Crashing into a wall will also make your lap invalid.
4. You only have one lap. (so make it count)
5. No tuning is allowed (the cars must be stock)
6. If a race car is used for any tests included here, you cannot make any adjustments to the setup. You have to use the default one.
7. Driving Aids are not part of the setup. You can adjust them to your liking.
8. Tires must be: Sports Medium (S2) for Road Cars and Concept Cars, Sports Soft (S3) for Tuning Cars, Racing Super Hard (R1) for Rally Cars, and Racing Medium (R3) for Racing Cars.
9. Do not use any Gameshark codes that would help you gain time.
10. This challenge will last for as long as GTPlanet lives (or as long as people still play GT4, whichever comes first! :lol: ).
10. Have fun! :D

Without further ado, Here are the tests!

EX-1: 1 lap time trial (Deep Forest Reverse)
Car: BMW V12 LMR Race Car '99
Gold: 1:01.841
Silver: 1:03.426
Bronze: 1:05.053


EX-2: 1-lap Time Trial (Tokyo R246)
Car: Mazda Autozam AZ-1 '92
Gold: 2:32.183
Silver: 2:36.085
Bronze: 2:40.088

EX-3: 1-lap Time Trial (Tsukuba)
Car: RUF 3400S '00
Gold: 0:58.304
Silver: 0:59.799
Bronze: 1:01.333

EX-4: 1-lap Time Trial (Autumn Ring Mini)
Car: TOM'S X540 Chaser '00
Gold: 0:36.744
Silver: 0:37.686
Bronze: 0:38.653

EX-5: 1-lap Time Trial (Special Stage Route 5 Reverse)
Car: Tommy Kaira ZZII '00
Gold: 1:20.982
Silver: 1:23.059
Bronze: 1:25.189

EX-6: 1-lap Time Trial (Infineon Raceway - Sports Car Course)
Car: DOME ZERO '78
Gold: 1:46.456
Silver: 1:50.724
Bronze: 1:55.102

EX-7: 1-lap Time Trial (El Capitan)
Car: Shelby Series 1 Super Charged '03
Gold: 1:44.591
Silver: 1:48.811
Bronze: 1:53.140

EX-8: 1-lap Time Trial (George V Paris)
Car: Cadillac CIEN '02
Gold: 1:19.235
Silver: 1:21.267
Bronze: 1:23.351

EX-9: 1-lap Time Trial (Tsukuba - WET)
Car: ASL ARTA Garaiya (JGTC) '03
Gold: 1:00.141
Silver: 1:01.683
Bronze: 1:03.265

EX-10: 1-lap Time Trial (Grand Valley Speedway)
Car: Ginetta G4 '64
Gold: 2:18.176
Silver: 2:22.489
Bronze: 2:26.912

EX-11: 1-lap Time Trial (Seattle Reverse)
Car: Isuzu PIAZZA XE '81
Gold: 2:03.521
Silver: 2:06.688
Bronze: 2:09.937

EX-12: 1-lap Time Trial (Twin Ring Motegi - Road Course)
Car: Polyphony Digital Formula Gran Turismo '04
Gold: 1:25.488
Silver: 1:27.680
Bronze: 1:29.929

EX-13: 1-lap Time Trial (Midfield Raceway Reverse)
Car: Chevrolet Corvette C5R (C5) Race Car '00
Gold: 1:02.942
Silver: 1:04.556
Bronze: 1:06.212

EX-14: 1-lap Time Trial (Opera Paris Reverse)
Car: Toyota MR2 1600 G-Limited Super Charger '86
Gold: 1:39.341
Silver: 1:41.888
Bronze: 1:44.501

EX-15: 1-lap Time Trial (Suzuka)
Car: Pagani Zonda LM Edition '01
Gold: 1:43.735
Silver: 1:47.934
Bronze: 1:52.240

EX-16: 1-lap Time Trial (Apricot Hill)
Car: Toyota GT-ONE Race Car (TS020) '99
Gold: 1:04.847
Silver: 1:06.510
Bronze: 1:08.216

Some are probably harder than others. Tell me if it's too easy, as this is intended to be hard.

-Andy.

EDIT: Tell me if silver/gold times are impossible to beat (Bronze times are definitely beatable, but the silver time is intended to be hard, and the gold time is intended to be near impossble, but not actually unbeatable).
 
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If you're a very good driver you should be able to at least beat the bronze times, and even so, it won't be by much. Trust me, they are INTENTIONALLY harder then most people want them to be.

PS: I'm an average driver and I can't even get close to the bronze times, I'm like 5 seconds off.
 
Hell, I might even do some of these. Even though I'm over at Forza Planet now. And the license tests are what gets you better at the game DurWinning. At least for me.

edit: DurWinning, I must disagree with you about the tests being too hard. At least the first 2 I've done in the last hour. Tests 1 & 2. Being an average driver using AT, because the learning curve is too great with me being away from the game since Dec 2011. And then a long time before that. I am currently at 1'07.727 in test 1. And at 2'35.760 on test 2. If I was back at my old slow self from a couple of years ago these times would be much faster I'm sure.

The only problem I forsee is that I may have to buy a car in a game that I don't play much anymore. Is it okay to run the test in Arcade? Call me Mr. Cheapie.
 
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I found a save over the internet with all cars in the garage. If you want, I can upload it.

I gave Test #1 a try. The middle section is a living nightmare to me, I just can't seem to get it right. However, I managed to improve a lot, getting an 1:05.528. I feel like the key to get those .5 seconds off is in the middle section.
 
A couple comments and questions here:

First of all, are these standing start or flying laps?

Why one attempt and one attempt only? Since I took a stab at the El Capitan one and failed my first try*, am I permanently barred from ever trying it again? If this is the case, I'd say your times aren't just difficult, for most people they're impossible.

Are oil changes okay?

Which Isuzu Piazza is it okay to use for Seattle Reverse? Specifically, is it okay to use the one from Week 67?

If you've done a weight reduction on your Dome Zero you can't do the Infineon test. Nor can you get another one (unless you have two memory cards) since it's a license test prize car and can only be won once.

Similarly for the Pagani Zonda LM at Suzuka; it's a Driving Mission prize car and you're at a disadvantage if you've driven it a couple thousand miles (permanent horsepower loss). If oil changes are not permitted, the car has lost horsepower after 200-300 miles. It's also possible (in my case, pretty dang likely) you don't recall what the stock tuning settings are; some settings do not have a "Default" selection.

How did you come up with the target times, for instance the DF Reverse test has a gold time of 1:01.841. Why did you pick that number over, say, 1:01.800 or 1:01:850? Especially considering that in 13 of the 16 Super License tests, the gold time is of the form X:XX.X00 (2:17.000 for example, or 7:07.700).

For the rest of the cars most of us will need to purchase/win a new copy of the car, for reasons alluded to above.

I am currently at 1'07.727 in test 1. And at 2'35.760 on test 2.

So according to the rules, which specify one attempt and one attempt only, you've failed the first test and silvered the second. This is one reason why I don't think I'll bother doing the the tests; I don't want to invest the time or money in a new car and blow it on my first and only attempt. I'm sure that's what'll happen on most if not every test.


*Actually it wasn't a legal attempt in the first place, since I did it in Arcade mode time trial; didn't feel like buying a new Shelby.
 
Hi,
It's been awhile since I last time loaded GT4.


I tested (in arcade mode) the: EX-9: 1-lap Time Trial (Tsukuba - WET) / ASL ARTA Garaiya (JGTC) '03

1'02.636 on lap 7 or something like that. ( 319 bhp / 1125kg , RM tyres , stock top speed) DS2 , M/T
My first lap was 1'05. - something

Did you really mean that only one lap is to be done in completely unfamiliar car?
Or maybe you meant that the laps are meant to be done like the licence tests , one lap completed -> exit , start another lap from the menu. ?


MadMax
 
A couple comments and questions here:

First of all, are these standing start or flying laps?

It's your first lap on Free Run mode.

Why one attempt and one attempt only? Since I took a stab at the El Capitan one and failed my first try*, am I permanently barred from ever trying it again? If this is the case, I'd say your times aren't just difficult, for most people they're impossible.

You can try as many times as you want, but "One lap and one lap only" means you have to exit the run and start another one in order for your next try to count.

Are oil changes okay?

I didn't use oil change, but I don't know if the cars on the real license tests use them or not. I'd say don't do it, just in case.

Which Isuzu Piazza is it okay to use for Seattle Reverse? Specifically, is it okay to use the one from Week 67?

You mean the 6.2 mile special? Yes, as long as it is an Isuzu PIAZZA XE '81.

If you've done a weight reduction on your Dome Zero you can't do the Infineon test. Nor can you get another one (unless you have two memory cards) since it's a license test prize car and can only be won once.

Exactly. I can still upload that save with all cars stock in maxdrive format if you want.

Similarly for the Pagani Zonda LM at Suzuka; it's a Driving Mission prize car and you're at a disadvantage if you've driven it a couple thousand miles (permanent horsepower loss). If oil changes are not permitted, the car has lost horsepower after 200-300 miles. It's also possible (in my case, pretty dang likely) you don't recall what the stock tuning settings are; some settings do not have a "Default" selection.

As far as I know the only stock setting on race cars that can't be automatically reset to default is the downforce, but that's usually at maximum by default on all race cars.

How did you come up with the target times, for instance the DF Reverse test has a gold time of 1:01.841. Why did you pick that number over, say, 1:01.800 or 1:01:850? Especially considering that in 13 of the 16 Super License tests, the gold time is of the form X:XX.X00 (2:17.000 for example, or 7:07.700).

I did a slow lap on these courses, with these cars, and then did this:

Bronze time is 5 seconds faster than the time I did on the slow lap
Silver time is the bronze time minus 2.5% of itself
Gold time is the silver time minus 2.5% of itself


For the rest of the cars most of us will need to purchase/win a new copy of the car, for reasons alluded to above.



So according to the rules, which specify one attempt and one attempt only, you've failed the first test and silvered the second. This is one reason why I don't think I'll bother doing the the tests; I don't want to invest the time or money in a new car and blow it on my first and only attempt. I'm sure that's what'll happen on most if not every test.


*Actually it wasn't a legal attempt in the first place, since I did it in Arcade mode time trial; didn't feel like buying a new Shelby.

My answers are bolded and I hope it clarifies some things.

EDIT: I'll allow Arcade Mode times to count, because Arcade Mode > Time Trial starts from the same place as GT Mode > Free Run. So if you don't want to do it on GT Mode, feel free to use Arcade. I use GT Mode every time, though.
 
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Okay. Allowing Arcade Mode Time Trial does remove most of my objections, as well as sidestepping the oil and Week 67 Piazza questions neatly.

I believe that most of us who have been doing this for a while already have the required cars. I know I have all the difficult/expensive to get cars already; things like the Tom's X540 Chaser (which I don't believe I have) aren't a problem since I have upwards of 225 million :D. However, I'm sure there are a few who don't have all the cars so I'd say yeah, good idea; upload that gamesave.

With that all in mind, okay, I'll see if I can better my current El Cap time of 1:57.xxx.
 
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