What is faster while being stable?

[slthree]

I'm trying to get to the point where I can race without ASM, CSA, and without traction control.

I'm hoping that not using those things will eventually make me faster. When I'm working on the campaign mode I see the guys who I have friended all having much, much faster times than me. My goodness, Aceboy127 has times that would boggle anyone's mind. He's that darn fast.

For now, though, I can't give up all three things and keep my car on the track.

What should be the first one or two things I should give up that would make me a little bit faster but also not cause me to be incredibly unstable?

Thanks

 

[VeeDoubleU]

Take off ASM first, then reduce TC, then take it off completely.

 

[Jose Frias]

Turn them both off, use TC.

 

[DriftMethod]

I think ASM should be the first to go. From my very limited understanding of ASM, it allows a driver to use horrible driving lines and severely slows the car.

 

[TheNorfolkDad]

As above, get rid of ASM. I’ve never used CSA so cant say what affect it will have on you turning it off. Practise with TCS 2, then eventually turn it off.

You will spin. A lot.

Do not be disheartened, learn the car you’re driving, learn how gently you can apply throttle, and you’ll get there little by little.

 

[slthree]

You guys are all great for replying so quickly. I knew I'd get a good answer here

I have taken off stability management and counter steering and lowered the traction control and I was surprised that I could keep the car on the track because I was working on a mission at Big Willow

Took some doing but I finally got my gold and I like the challenge of being more polished in my lines and with my throttle

Cheers

 

[Hallitrd]

If you ask me, I say not to much power, at least for the commercial cars. I don't use any of those driving aids, except default ABS.
When I started playing GTS, I thought that having a lot of horsepower, 300+ over the standard output of the car, would get me faster around the track, and maybe the time were similar, but I was all over the place trying to control the car (MK4 Supra).
I've learned to appreciate less power, being more stable and much more consistent.

 

[Lion-Face]

Turn them all off. They will all teach you bad habits, and if you turn off one, but lean on the other, then you will create a bad habit in your driving.

Pick one car, one that you enjoy driving, and just drive that around a track that you enjoy. Maybe stick to GR4 or GR3. You will find that if you spin, get loose, or a little sideways, that the car is telling you you are driving me wrong. If you are sliding past your apex, brake earlier, if you are stepping out the rear on exit, you on the power too soon. If you lose control over a curb, don't take that line. Where if, for example, you had TCS/CSA on, you may not lose the car over a curb, but it is slower because you are taking a poorer line, but you don't know this because the aids are hiding what the car is trying to tell you.

 

[inri]

csa strong and tcs1, no asm is what i use generally. i'm reasonably fast and most cars are stable

 

[slthree]

Turn them all off. They will all teach you bad habits, and if you turn off one, but lean on the other, then you will create a bad habit in your driving.

Pick one car, one that you enjoy driving, and just drive that around a track that you enjoy. Maybe stick to GR4 or GR3. You will find that if you spin, get loose, or a little sideways, that the car is telling you you are driving me wrong. If you are sliding past your apex, brake earlier, if you are stepping out the rear on exit, you on the power too soon. If you lose control over a curb, don't take that line. Where if, for example, you had TCS/CSA on, you may not lose the car over a curb, but it is slower because you are taking a poorer line, but you don't know this because the aids are hiding what the car is trying to tell you.

Wow, you can't know how much I appreciate this information. I feel like I just received a driving lesson in clear, understandable, easy to follow language.

Thank you for taking the time to write that up.

I just, a few minutes ago, finished a custom race with all the aids off and it was very rewarding. I was driving the GR4 Audi TTS 16

I'm still unable to use the more powerful GR3 cars without TCS but I'll work on it

 

[Lion-Face]

Wow, you can't know how much I appreciate this information. I feel like I just received a driving lesson in clear, understandable, easy to follow language.

Thank you for taking the time to write that up.

I just, a few minutes ago, finished a custom race with all the aids off and it was very rewarding. I was driving the GR4 Audi TTS 16

I'm still unable to use the more powerful GR3 cars without TCS but I'll work on it

Not a problem, I'm glad it was useful.

The Audi is very stable and fast. Just learn from mistakes. If you brake at the 100 meter board and you miss the apex, try braking earlier at 150m. If that is too soon, then adjust your braking between the two boards. Generally speaking, you want to maximise your exit speed, so braking earlier for a corner is often more beneficial than braking later and throwing the car into the corner. So if you run deep into a corner on one lap, next lap remember that corner and adjust your braking to suit. It can take many many laps to get it down, progression is slow but ultimately rewarding.

I have limited time to drive in gt sport (limited by some people I guess, not others) so from the outset I picked a manufacturer I liked, Toyota, and have almost exclusively driven those cars (GR4/3/1) It took me months before I tried another GR4 car, but what I learned from the Toyota GR4 then applies to any other car apart from some nuances. So I can be as fast in any other car as I am in the Toyota. I still haven't ventured outside of the Toyota GR3 virtually at all aside from the campaign mode.

 

[phil_75]

Wow, you can't know how much I appreciate this information. I feel like I just received a driving lesson in clear, understandable, easy to follow language.

Thank you for taking the time to write that up.

I just, a few minutes ago, finished a custom race with all the aids off and it was very rewarding. I was driving the GR4 Audi TTS 16

I'm still unable to use the more powerful GR3 cars without TCS but I'll work on it

Great to see someone wanting to be better and prepared to put the work in.

Nothing can beat the feeling of racing with no assists (except ABS) knowing you are in full control of the car.

It really is a game changer, the game comes to life and the feeling you get when you win your first Sport Mode race is just amazing.

Even up until GT5 i used TC, ASM and RS tyres on everything with Automatic gears
I now use manual gears, everything off except ABS (DS4) and am DRS SRS.

Stick with it, i guarantee you will never look back and wonder why you didn't do it sooner

Good luck.

 

[petesj26]

Go for naturally aspirated cars. The power comes in a smoother fashion than the turbocharged cars. At least I find that's the case for gr3. Gr4 is lower power so the stability is higher.

In gr3 I'd suggest the Z4 (my favourite) and vantage. The Merc GT is a good pick too

 

[slthree]

Great to see someone wanting to be better and prepared to put the work in.

Nothing can beat the feeling of racing with no assists (except ABS) knowing you are in full control of the car.

It really is a game changer, the game comes to life and the feeling you get when you win your first Sport Mode race is just amazing.

Even up until GT5 i used TC, ASM and RS tyres on everything with Automatic gears
I now use manual gears, everything off except ABS (DS4) and am DRS SRS.

Stick with it, i guarantee you will never look back and wonder why you didn't do it sooner

Good luck.

Thank you. The forum's here are fantastic and I'm glad I found them because you guys are all very friendly and very helpful.

I'm doing fine with no counter steering and with no Asm and I can live without traction control for lower powered cars but the G3 cars are killing me. I feel like I break nicely into a turn and then when I try to come out of it and hit the gas I spin like crazy.

 

[slthree]

Go for naturally aspirated cars. The power comes in a smoother fashion than the turbocharged cars. At least I find that's the case for gr3. Gr4 is lower power so the stability is higher.

In gr3 I'd suggest the Z4 (my favourite) and vantage. The Merc GT is a good pick too

Lol. As you can see from my other post, this is the suggestion I needed. Because, I can't keep a GR3 car from spinning right now

 

[Lion-Face]

Lol. As you can see from my other post, this is the suggestion I needed. Because, I can't keep a GR3 car from spinning right now

I'm going to assume you are spinning coming out of a corner yes? If so, you have too much turning lock on when you are accelerating.

The first thing to learn is do not accelerate until you are pointing straight.
2nd is to make sure your car is stable, so not running over curbs when you are getting on the power, as if your rear tires aren't at optimum grip and you go full throttle, it will throw the car sideways.
3rd step is when you get the first two down, start to learn to accelerate earlier from clipping point. A good corner for this practice is turn 2 at Lago Maggiore (you could try Lago Maggiore Centre to just focus on this type of corner). In the middle of the corner, you should be turning as much as possible. As you exit, you unwind your steering wheel/controller to straighten out the car, as you do this, you can ease on the throttle. Think of it like, if I have full turn lock on the car, then I have 0% throttle. If I have 50% turn lock on car, then you can have maybe up to 50% throttle. If you have no turn lock, then your throttle can be 100%. Its very gradual, and this takes a lot of time to master, if one can at all. As you wind on the lock, you should come off the throttle, as you wind off the lock, you can press the throttle down more and more. It's a balancing act, and if you are spinning, you are getting on throttle too soon.

It's always better to be 2 tenths slower at putting your foot down than to attempt to gain 2 tenths and spinning the car through eagerness.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

I'm going to assume you are spinning coming out of a corner yes? If so, you have too much turning lock on when you are accelerating.

The first thing to learn is do not accelerate until you are pointing straight.
2nd is to make sure your car is stable, so not running over curbs when you are getting on the power, as if your rear tires aren't at optimum grip and you go full throttle, it will throw the car sideways.
3rd step is when you get the first two down, start to learn to accelerate earlier from clipping point. A good corner for this practice is turn 2 at Lago Maggiore (you could try Lago Maggiore Centre to just focus on this type of corner). In the middle of the corner, you should be turning as much as possible. As you exit, you unwind your steering wheel/controller to straighten out the car, as you do this, you can ease on the throttle. Think of it like, if I have full turn lock on the car, then I have 0% throttle. If I have 50% turn lock on car, then you can have maybe up to 50% throttle. If you have no turn lock, then your throttle can be 100%. Its very gradual, and this takes a lot of time to master, if one can at all. As you wind on the lock, you should come off the throttle, as you wind off the lock, you can press the throttle down more and more. It's a balancing act, and if you are spinning, you are getting on throttle too soon.

It's always better to be 2 tenths slower at putting your foot down than to attempt to gain 2 tenths and spinning the car through eagerness.

Sort of an illustration of your 3rd point
If the steering wheel isn't being turned, the throttle is being pushed down. As you turn the steering wheel, the string would pull the throttle up and decreases the input

 

[phil_75]

Thank you. The forum's here are fantastic and I'm glad I found them because you guys are all very friendly and very helpful.

I'm doing fine with no counter steering and with no Asm and I can live without traction control for lower powered cars but the G3 cars are killing me. I feel like I break nicely into a turn and then when I try to come out of it and hit the gas I spin like crazy.

Practice with the Porsche RSR Gr3, it has a long gearing and power comes in linearly.

 

[D3V]

Here are also some Illustrations about @Lion-Face mentionend 3Points (Alpha Cipher's one is already great).

Its called "Circle of Forces" (der Kammsche Kreis).

They are almost self explaining.
When you "leave" the Circle, its "drifting", not fast and definitely not stable anymore.

I often "shortshift" when accelerating out of corners. Then you can push the pedal to the metal without making a pretty pirouette

 

[slthree]

This stuff is fantastic! I want to thank you all, for the explanations, for the diagrams.

I'm part of some really good forums, especially the guys over at

Spoiler

Operation Sports

but there is nothing like the quality of people here.

I'm addicted to both the knowledge and the manner in which you share that knowledge.

All I want to do is go home and practice more.

 

[Venster]

Audi Gr4 is a good car but it won’t teach you much about driving GR3 cars as it front wheel drive and GR3 are all rear wheel drive, try practicing in something like the cayman GR4 will help you modulate the throttle better for GR3

 

[Sean Renon]

If you drive with a wheel this will come a bit easier, but the same principle exists with a DS4.
You can apply more throttle as you unwind your steering angle out of a corner.

The faster you're going, the safer it is to apply more throttle (think downforce), you should be careful with aggressive throttle application coming out of slow corners (hairpins).

This is why you see drivers take the double rights on Suzuka (after the S bends) very quickly with aggressive throttle application, but when they come out of the hairpin directly afterwards their throttle application is gentle.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Turn them all off. They will all teach you bad habits, and if you turn off one, but lean on the other, then you will create a bad habit in your driving.

Pick one car, one that you enjoy driving, and just drive that around a track that you enjoy. Maybe stick to GR4 or GR3. You will find that if you spin, get loose, or a little sideways, that the car is telling you you are driving me wrong. If you are sliding past your apex, brake earlier, if you are stepping out the rear on exit, you on the power too soon. If you lose control over a curb, don't take that line. Where if, for example, you had TCS/CSA on, you may not lose the car over a curb, but it is slower because you are taking a poorer line, but you don't know this because the aids are hiding what the car is trying to tell you.

@slthree I agree 100% with the above statement. Shut them all off.

I would add, drive the street cars on street tires to get used to the power and traction. All your inputs need to be smooth. If you can do that in an N200 car, then go to N300, etc.

Everyone gets into a GR3 car, hammers the throttle, and then is surprised that the car is uncontrollable. Don't hammer the throttle. It's also best to not apply a ton of throttle until you are finished the turn.