What is it with the Toyota Sprinter Trueno GT-Apex SS Ver. ('00)

[240SXRacer]

I like the Hachi-Roku in real life but in the game it sucks

 

[One-More-Time]

Im gonna throw out an idea here:
the problem is that the car is not being used correctly, in initial d, takumi's 86 is primarily used for downhill touge racing. It is not being used in big, high angle drifts on wide, flat, racetracks. instead, it barrols down tight, windy, downhill roads, making low angle, high speed drifts to minimize resistance, like this:


another problem is that there are very few tracks where this attribute of the 86 can be used. the only ones i can think of are the downhill secctions of costa di amalfi (above) and citti di aria, as well as parts of el capitan.

In all i think the problem doesnt lie in the car itself, but in the lack of areas it can be used in GT4.

 

[LandoAWD]

 

[Swift]

Im gonna throw out an idea here:
the problem is that the car is not being used correctly, in initial d, takumi's 86 is primarily used for downhill touge racing. It is not being used in big, high angle drifts on wide, flat, racetracks. instead, it barrols down tight, windy, downhill roads, making low angle, high speed drifts to minimize resistance, like this:

another problem is that there are very few tracks where this attribute of the 86 can be used. the only ones i can think of are the downhill secctions of costa di amalfi (above) and citti di aria, as well as parts of el capitan.

In all i think the problem doesnt lie in the car itself, but in the lack of areas it can be used in GT4.

I can see why you would say something like that. But since all the cars in the same class have to deal with the same tracks, it's a moot point.

 

[One-More-Time]

eh... i tried

 

[BrykeSpike0086]

heh good try.

 

[lynk26]

OK, so I've been checking my second hand car lots alot lately looking for this particular car to drift with... Much to my excitement it shows up last night, so I buy it!!!

I fully upgrade it, and begin tuning it to drift... then the question hits me.... WHAT IS IT WITH ALL THE HYPE ABOUT THIS CAR???? It sucks!!! It's gear changes take soooo long, I can't get it to stop wheel spinning (the bad kind that makes you spin out)... Damn... I went to the settings depo about 10 times adjusting my LSD, power, suspension, gear ratios, wieght and I still couldn't drift it nicely...

So I pose the question, who else thinks that the only thing about this car, is the Hype Initial D gave it??? Cus I do!!!

What about the hype that the Supra and RX7 got when F&F came out? Do you wanna bash on those for a while too?

 

[xsquizet-drifte]

yea don't forget the freakin skyline either man nobody did'nt know what a skyline was until it came out.

 

[Jerg Rush]

What about the hype that the Supra and RX7 got when F&F came out? Do you wanna bash on those for a while too?

You know why nobody's bashing RX-7s or Supras? Because they're still good cars after all the hype. The AE86 isn't the feckin' Batmobile. It was good because it was cheap and RWD, and was close enough to 50/50 for drifting. The main reason is the cheap part. When Initial D hit the shores, the Takumi Tax started. BOOM. The main reason this car was good is gone. Now, were the RX-7 and the Supra ever praised for their price? No. They're praised because they're badass cars with a damn good chassis, engine and just about everything else. A Fast and Furious movie isn't gonna change that because ricers work at McDonalds and can't afford it to begin with.

 

[lynk26]

You know why nobody's bashing RX-7s or Supras? Because they're still good cars after all the hype. The AE86 isn't the feckin' Batmobile. It was good because it was cheap and RWD, and was close enough to 50/50 for drifting. The main reason is the cheap part. When Initial D hit the shores, the Takumi Tax started. BOOM. The main reason this car was good is gone. Now, were the RX-7 and the Supra ever praised for their price? No. They're praised because they're badass cars with a damn good chassis, engine and just about everything else. A Fast and Furious movie isn't gonna change that because ricers work at McDonalds and can't afford it to begin with.

So you're saying that the AE86 isn't a good car? That a cheap car HAS to be a bad car?

 

[Mad Murphy NZ]

No, he's just saying it's overrated and people rant on about it too much. AE86s definately aren't good bang for buck these days either. People pay like 8 grand for one, for that money you could get yourself a Silvia, GTS-T, FC RX7, MR2 etc. I've even seen a completely standard AE85 sell for over 4 grand, I'm guessing the person who bought it has never driven one before

 

[Gen.]

Takumi tax

 

[azngtricer]

i dont think that you should diss the hachi though, the drift king himself said that that hachi is a difficult machine to drift.but it is all hype with the initial d series...still an awesome car to drift in though

 

[ViXeN]

I can see I opened up a can of Initial D worms here, hehe...

lynk26, as Jerg Rush said, the RX7 and Supra are great drift cars on ANY track...

As far as bashing the AE86 SS ver, we need to look at 2 options here... IRL, the car is awesome... In GT4, it's a AE86 with a sherman tank gearbox...

Oh and One-More-Time, I'll give the downhill thing a bash (I am an open minded girl you know).

 

[Mad Murphy NZ]

i dont think that you should diss the hachi though, the drift king himself said that that hachi is a difficult machine to drift.but it is all hype with the initial d series...still an awesome car to drift in though

Of course it's a hard car to drift, it's gutless, has 80's suspension, a somewhat flexable chassis and not all came with LSD's. Most of their reason for being popular drifters has to do with the price factor and that compared to some other cars parts/mods are cheaper and easier to source, though these days there are better drift cars for cheaper so they are pretty much redundant as entry level drift cars. I'd far prefer to have an AE86 as a track car than a drifter.

And judging by your name and excuse me if I'm wrong - azngtricer, I'd say you really don't know much/anything about Japanese cars apart from what you've seen in Initial D and read on websites written by people who have probably not even seen in reality half the cars they are talking about.

 

[BreakerOhio]

I like the SS....I noticed it takes a different style as other cars....Just keep the revs high and you will have no problem....

I agree. This car has its unique style and drifts fine on xlink. I like how on exits, it really smokes up the rear tires.

 

[lynk26]

I can see I opened up a can of Initial D worms here, hehe...

lynk26, as Jerg Rush said, the RX7 and Supra are great drift cars on ANY track...

As far as bashing the AE86 SS ver, we need to look at 2 options here... IRL, the car is awesome... In GT4, it's a AE86 with a sherman tank gearbox...

Oh and One-More-Time, I'll give the downhill thing a bash (I am an open minded girl you know).

lol I never mentioned anything about Initial D, this is about the SS 86

I never said that the RX-7 and Supra aren't bad ass drift cars. I know that they drift awesome. But they have less of a learning curve that the SS 86 has. As far as the gearbox goes, I'll admit, because of the lack of a carbon driveshaft upgrade, shifting takes a little longer than if you had one. But unless your gears are all over the place, it will NEVER take 2 seconds to shift. That right there is an overexaggeration.

No, he's just saying it's overrated and people rant on about it too much. AE86s definately aren't good bang for buck these days either. People pay like 8 grand for one, for that money you could get yourself a Silvia, GTS-T, FC RX7, MR2 etc. I've even seen a completely standard AE85 sell for over 4 grand, I'm guessing the person who bought it has never driven one before

People paying that much for an AE86 are just morons. You can bash on those people all you want, for being retarded.

The thing with this car in GT4 is that its not a pick up and drift automatically car. It takes a good learning curve to drift it properly. No car is made automatically to go sideways, and just because this car is in Initial D doesn't automatically mean the car will drift circles around everything. This is a racing car. It's meant for races.

With that said, ultimately, if you don't like it, don't drive it. If you cant understand what makes that car so much fun to drive, then don't, and let the "tools" keep on driving it. Since, of course, people are only "tools" if they drive a car thats "popular" or "in", right?

 

[Perfect Balance]

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You guys suck. You guys obviosly haven't tried hard enough to drift with that car.
My friend spent weeks perfecting that car and now he can beat cars with 400+ horsepower on a tight course. And you guys shouldn't fully tune it because then its just too much power in a 800kg car. Just get a na tune up and thats all. Also that car wont drift like a regular car, it has a pure racing engine can't be driven like some regular 86. Just keep the revs high and dont shift while spinning the tires and it wont take long to shift. It just takes practice. Don't compare it with underpowered, almost stock truenos and levins that require no throttle control and say it spins out too easy. When you beat 46 seconds in motorland with a car with the same horsepower and tires, then you can say its sucks. And you guys complaining about the gears, just change the gear ratio and figure out the right time to shift.

 

[Swift]

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You guys suck. You guys obviosly haven't tried hard enough to drift with that car.
My friend spent weeks perfecting that car and now he can beat cars with 400+ horsepower on a tight course. And you guys shouldn't fully tune it because then its just too much power in a 800kg car. Just get a na tune up and thats all. Also that car wont drift like a regular car, it has a pure racing engine can't be driven like some regular 86. Just keep the revs high and dont shift while spinning the tires and it wont take long to shift. It just takes practice. Don't compare it with underpowered, almost stock truenos and levins that require no throttle control and say it spins out too easy. When you beat 46 seconds in motorland with a car with the same horsepower and tires, then you can say its sucks. And you guys complaining about the gears, just change the gear ratio and figure out the right time to shift.

You do realize that we're talking about the car in a drifting compacity right?

 

[Captain Trips]

You do realize that we're talking about the car in a drifting compacity right?

Hey do you have Xlink?

 

[Swift]

Hey do you have Xlink?

Yes.

 

[Mad Murphy NZ]

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You guys suck. You guys obviosly haven't tried hard enough to drift with that car.
My friend spent weeks perfecting that car and now he can beat cars with 400+ horsepower on a tight course. And you guys shouldn't fully tune it because then its just too much power in a 800kg car. Just get a na tune up and thats all. Also that car wont drift like a regular car, it has a pure racing engine can't be driven like some regular 86. Just keep the revs high and dont shift while spinning the tires and it wont take long to shift. It just takes practice. Don't compare it with underpowered, almost stock truenos and levins that require no throttle control and say it spins out too easy. When you beat 46 seconds in motorland with a car with the same horsepower and tires, then you can say its sucks. And you guys complaining about the gears, just change the gear ratio and figure out the right time to shift.

If it was a good car you wouldn't need to do NA tuning and change the gear ratios. Having a so-called "pure racing" racing engine is no reason for the car being special, anyone with money can build a 4age up to that kinda power and pull 10,000+rpm. The gearbox is the only thing that really lets the car down in a big way, I'm not sure what gearbox Takumi's 86 was supposed to have in Initial D but I'm guessing it's not a standard T50.

 

[Captain Trips]

If it was a good car you wouldn't need to do NA tuning and change the gear ratios. Having a so-called "pure racing" racing engine is no reason for the car being special, anyone with money can build a 4age up to that kinda power and pull 10,000+rpm. The gearbox is the only thing that really lets the car down in a big way, I'm not sure what gearbox Takumi's 86 was supposed to have in Initial D but I'm guessing it's not a standard T50.

Takumi's AE86 contained an engine that was highly tuned by Bunta, The Bunta Special. It was also outfitted with a specially rally-tuned transmission and highly tuned suspension.

 

[Mad Murphy NZ]

Also, I'm pretty sure those Atlantic engines like the one that they put in Takumi's car are supposed to run on 108 octane which you couldn't buy from your average gas station so I'm guessing the engine would have been detuned in the manga as it is in GT4.

 

[legendary_86]

btw i have a question..

does anyone able to tune the SS 86 wherein the REdzone goes from 9800 to 12000..

i dunno how i did it but it seems weird that the redzone is in 12000 but it still revs up to 10300

 

[azngtricer]

Of course it's a hard car to drift, it's gutless, has 80's suspension, a somewhat flexable chassis and not all came with LSD's. Most of their reason for being popular drifters has to do with the price factor and that compared to some other cars parts/mods are cheaper and easier to source, though these days there are better drift cars for cheaper so they are pretty much redundant as entry level drift cars. I'd far prefer to have an AE86 as a track car than a drifter.

And judging by your name and excuse me if I'm wrong - azngtricer, I'd say you really don't know much/anything about Japanese cars apart from what you've seen in Initial D and read on websites written by people who have probably not even seen in reality half the cars they are talking about.

i think were a little of topic... ne ways, yea i dont know alot about japanese cars, i just got started into the whole racing culture but i still remember that those exact words of The Drift King himself...dont judge a book by its cover...keep the peace

 

[DRFT*]

The game just displays the tach with a 12k redzone...

I can drift a stock S.S. pretty damn well as i use it for xlink all the time and I stay in the front all the time while the high performance cars are trailing behind. It could just be my skills that I'm in front lol.

any ways, imo the trueno has this sweet body line that just attracts me, i'll admit that I didn't know this car exsisted untill i seen initial d. but thank god because I might have ended up a honda civic fan boy >_<... hate them FF drivetrains w/ there type r badges on ex/lx/dx type!!!

 

[legendary_86]

Originally Posted by DRFT*
The game just displays the tach with a 12k redzone...

i dnt think u quite got my question..

SS AE86 has a tachometer of 12000, right? but the redzone is displayed in the 9800 mark, right?

i have gotten mine to display the redzone in the 11800-12000 mark( i dnt know why? ) but it still revs up to the maximum 10300.. im just wondering has anybody done this before or is it a bug?

 

[Captain Trips]

The game just displays the tach with a 12k redzone...

I can drift a stock S.S. pretty damn well as i use it for xlink all the time and I stay in the front all the time while the high performance cars are trailing behind. It could just be my skills that I'm in front lol.

any ways, imo the trueno has this sweet body line that just attracts me, i'll admit that I didn't know this car exsisted untill i seen initial d. but thank god because I might have ended up a honda civic fan boy >_<... hate them FF drivetrains w/ there type r badges on ex/lx/dx type!!!

JUST BECOZ UR IN FRONT DUZZEN MEEN UR GOOD

Or something.

 

[lynk26]

If it was a good car you wouldn't need to do NA tuning and change the gear ratios. Having a so-called "pure racing" racing engine is no reason for the car being special, anyone with money can build a 4age up to that kinda power and pull 10,000+rpm.

So, because you have to tune a car, it's automatically not a good car?

You guys suck. You guys obviosly haven't tried hard enough to drift with that car.
My friend spent weeks perfecting that car and now he can beat cars with 400+ horsepower on a tight course. And you guys shouldn't fully tune it because then its just too much power in a 800kg car. Just get a na tune up and thats all. Also that car wont drift like a regular car, it has a pure racing engine can't be driven like some regular 86. Just keep the revs high and dont shift while spinning the tires and it wont take long to shift. It just takes practice. Don't compare it with underpowered, almost stock truenos and levins that require no throttle control and say it spins out too easy. When you beat 46 seconds in motorland with a car with the same horsepower and tires, then you can say its sucks. And you guys complaining about the gears, just change the gear ratio and figure out the right time to shift.

What tires are you using? Because with Sports Softs, I'm running low 44's... looks like someones friend needs to perfect his skills instead of his car