What Is Your Favorite ''Classic'' Car?

[CraftyLandShark]

Yeah I was thinking about that as a potential... do the era divisions for sports tires, then maybe an overall "Classic Racecars" division that includes everything up to 1987. I know from experience that plenty of the older cars, when wearing race rubber, are plenty competitive with more modern 80's stuff similarly-shoed. That could work pretty well.

<edit> What do we think about this for eras? 1963 and earlier; 1964-1973; 1974-1981; 1982-1987; Classic Racecars (Any street car on R3 compound or harder)? The 82-87 cateogry would be a tad smaller in year range, but there are SO many cars in there that I think it'd be fine. Thoughts? Suggestions?

 

[mustangGT90210]

Yeah I was thinking about that as a potential... do the era divisions for sports tires, then maybe an overall "Classic Racecars" division that includes everything up to 1987. I know from experience that plenty of the older cars, when wearing race rubber, are plenty competitive with more modern 80's stuff similarly-shoed. That could work pretty well.

<edit> What do we think about this for eras? 1963 and earlier; 1964-1973; 1974-1981; 1982-1987; Classic Racecars (Any street car on R3 compound or harder)? The 82-87 cateogry would be a tad smaller in year range, but there are SO many cars in there that I think it'd be fine. Thoughts? Suggestions?

I love this idea. Though we all know most of those categories will get dominated by american muscle.

 

[CraftyLandShark]

Dominated? I dunno about all that! The American muscle may have an edge in laptimes on some tracks, but judging would be based on overall driveability, not laptimes. And besides, you'd be surprised what a well-tuned Lotus Europa or Alpine A110 can do to a 'Cuda I'm glad there's some interest in this! As soon as Kent weighs in on whether he's cool with us hijacking his concept, I'll get a thread started and post a tentative set of regulations and divisions.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Dominated? I dunno about all that! The American muscle may have an edge in laptimes on some tracks, but judging would be based on overall driveability, not laptimes. And besides, you'd be surprised what a well-tuned Lotus Europa or Alpine A110 can do to a 'Cuda I'm glad there's some interest in this! As soon as Kent weighs in on whether he's cool with us hijacking his concept, I'll get a thread started and post a tentative set of regulations and divisions.

Yes dominated, people think that American cars were absolutely useless, I sometimes wonder if there should be a "fun factor" in the judging but then people have different ideas of what fun is. But ease up turbo, we got to at least wait until current tuner challenge is over, you can post rules and not take entries yet but I think live an let live, we don't wanna steal the current challenge's thunder.

 

[CraftyLandShark]

LOL yeah I had no plans to start this until then anyway. Just bouncing ideas around. And I have no problem with American cars, I just think that in some cases there IS a "replacement for displacement". That said, well-tuned classic Detroit rolling iron can certainly compete with any of its contemporaries.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Classic Racecars: 1980 & earlier with R2's or harder, actual era racecars included.

 

[CraftyLandShark]

That sounds reasonable. We should probably look at some of the actual racecars from the era though before including them... some might tune to ridiculous, uncompetitve levels of power. If not though, why not, throw 'em in the mix!

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Classic Racecars: 1980 & earlier with R2's or harder, actual era racecars included.

OK so anything after 1980 will need to be on sports tyres, that sound fair, then of course you have all the other categories that run sport tyres and this category running race tyres. I don't know if you would wanna increase power on some classic race cars like the C2 Corvette racer or GT40, that said GT40 will probably dominate here, with a good tune. Oh, GNX is still mine- back off.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

No.

I can has only car in game with 200-4R transmission.

(My dad made the first transbrake ever for that trans. So I get the GNX DAMNIT!)

I'd say to outlaw the Chappy 2J/D, leave the rest open.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

I don't care, you didn't make it, my car uses that engine so the GNX is MINE.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

MINE! BACK OFF!

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

No, I WANT IT , wait a second, we can both have one. I'm going to enter heaps of categories here, or maybe even use the IROC-Z Camaro, will probably handle better. But at the moment don't get your hopes up, still GNX for me.

 

[mafia_boy]

If we're going to use engines, I'd race the '90 Supra Twin Turbo R seeing my car has that motor.

But it's pre-80, so I'll go the Celica or Bellett GT-R.

Mafs!!

 

[Rotary Junkie]

BUT IT'S MINE DAMMIT!

Here, let's settle it this way: Whoever can lay down the fastest drag time in one gets it. R5's, no TCS.

 

[CraftyLandShark]

Or like the FF category Mini shootout, you could just settle it with a GNX shootout within the competition itself <evil smirk> methinks this could add a nice element of gamesmanship.

 

[mafia_boy]

BUT IT'S MINE DAMMIT!

Here, let's settle it this way: Whoever can lay down the fastest drag time in one gets it. R5's, no TCS.

Then you can BOTH put your time up in the 1/4 mile thread and I'll add those times to the list. I give you both 48hrs from now to put up a time.

Mafs!!

 

[CirclesCenter]

How about I own one so I get to use it. Kids, now since you woke granpa up you know what that means?

Yep, you're going to absent from school tomorrow. *Snaps belt*

 

[CraftyLandShark]

How about I own one so I get to use it. Kids, now since you woke granpa up you know what that means?

Yep, you're going to absent from school tomorrow. *Snaps belt*

I missed the part where this turned into intergenerational gay porn...

But seriously, what's the deal with this car? I've driven it... it's decent and all, but I don't quite understand all the insane possesive lust.. LOL

 

[Rotary Junkie]

It's just COOL.

 

[mafia_boy]

But seriously, what's the deal with this car? I've driven it... it's decent and all, but I don't quite understand all the insane possesive lust.. LOL

They were probably all conceived in the back of one.

Now GNX lovers, less chat more splat, get on your DFP's and DS's and show me some times!! 👍

Mafs!!

 

[CraftyLandShark]

They were probably all conceived in the back of one.

Now GNX lovers, less chat more splat, get on your DFP's and DS's and show me some times!! 👍

Mafs!!

Reminds me of a quote from one of my favorite movies...

"I was conceived in the Riviera. Not the French Riviera -- the Detroit variety."
-Ethan Hawke as "Vincent" in "Gattaca"

 

[Rotary Junkie]

They were probably all conceived in the back of one.

Now GNX lovers, less chat more splat, get on your DFP's and DS's and show me some times!! 👍

Mafs!!

Mine will be done tomorrow.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

I dunno, I can't do the 1/4 mile to well, I'm just going to see who can make a better one come competition time, two people have the same car in one category, whoop de doo.
Oh, but mine's going to be better.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

No, no it won't.

And thanks for saving me the hassle.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

The Dodge Charger you win from the NYC 300km, largely because it's as close as you can get to the Challenger. Still haven't got one in sexy, sexy black, though.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

The Dodge Charger you win from the NYC 300km, largely because it's as close as you can get to the Challenger. Still haven't got one in sexy, sexy black, though.

Plymouth Cuda is more like a Dodge Challenger, they're the same body from what I can tell, btw thanks for posting on topic, it's nice.

 

[CraftyLandShark]

Plymouth Cuda is more like a Dodge Challenger, they're the same body from what I can tell, btw thanks for posting on topic, it's nice.

Same body, and in most cases except the most extreme motors, more or less the same car. Buy the Cuda in white, and you basically have your own "Vanishing Point" Challenger

Did a little poking around on Google last night and it looks like you two aren't the only ones feinding over the GNX and other cars in its bloodline... prices at the major historic auto auctions seem to be spiking. And I do have to admit, it has a degree of "I could be driven by Snake Pliskin or Mad Max in a Bleak Postapocalyptic Dystopia" charm.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Same body, and in most cases except the most extreme motors, more or less the same car. Buy the Cuda in white, and you basically have your own "Vanishing Point" Challenger

Did a little poking around on Google last night and it looks like you two aren't the only ones feinding over the GNX and other cars in its bloodline... prices at the major historic auto auctions seem to be spiking. And I do have to admit, it has a degree of "I could be driven by Snake Pliskin or Mad Max in a Bleak Postapocalyptic Dystopia" charm.

A turbo V6 from America that has as much power and more torque than Japanese imports with sweet styling, this car became an instant icon in America despite being on an ageing chassis, with 0-100km/hr times (0-60mph) in the low 5sec range it wasn't slow. Ive seen these things beat Vipers. Can I request that in this challenge no wings are allowed, they look too ugly on pretty much all classic cars, it aint right.

 

[CraftyLandShark]

You bring up a good point - since many classics in GT4 can't be winged anyway, it would be worth considering disallowing wings. The only problem I forsee is that so many of these cars (as you mentioned earlier) create a LOT of wheelspin in all but the most conservative tune - without added downforce, the number of cars that could be realistically competitive at higher levels of power would be limited.

On another note, we're drifting badly off-subject for this thread, but I don't want to open a thread specifically for this until we hear something from Kent...

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

You bring up a good point - since many classics in GT4 can't be winged anyway, it would be worth considering disallowing wings. The only problem I forsee is that so many of these cars (as you mentioned earlier) create a LOT of wheelspin in all but the most conservative tune - without added downforce, the number of cars that could be realistically competitive at higher levels of power would be limited.

On another note, we're drifting badly off-subject for this thread, but I don't want to open a thread specifically for this until we hear something from Kent...

I will PM him if you haven't already and see what his thoughts are, I wouldn't mind a new thread though so this conversation isn't mixed in with the Tuner Challenge talk.

Edit: I seen you have already asked him at Tuner Challenge and I don't want to annoy him otherwise so I was thinking, if you have too much wheelspin you either have too much power or too stiff a suspension, there are other ways to help wheelspin 👍 Also, looking back maybe being allowed to put in actual race cars was a bit of a bad idea, they will decimate any road cars with race tyres on from that era, meaning you'd almost have to enter a race car to stand a chance in that category.