What The Liberal Media Hides

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Showing this sort of picture on the TV can have two purposes... 1) to inform the public, as a matter of fact, that this happened today (News).... or 2) to influence the attitude of the viewer (Propoganda)
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You left out a number;

3). To give balance to the reporting on the war .


Why would any sentinent being NEED to be told that weapons kill things ? Its a given when you make a decision to go to war that you will kill people and break things . If war was not so horrible it would be more common dont you think ?
The time to wail and moan about the little babies and poor old women being blown to bits is before you make the decision to go to war.
 
Viper ZeroIt is a tragedy when a child is caught in the crossfire
purpose[/b], to prove a point. That is the difference.
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Fair points VZ... the atrocity at Beslan was an afront to humanity, and cynically exploited by the terrorists for maximum media coverage (as was 9/11). But that doesn't excuse the soldiers from our countries who, as part of an unnecessary invasion/occupation, or like the Israelis in the occupied terrorities, are responsible for the needless deaths of men, women and children from the civilian population.

ledhed
The time to wail and moan about the little babies and poor old women being blown to bits is before you make the decision to go to war.
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Hence why the decision should never be taken lightly, or on false pretences... unfortunately for us (and especially for our 'enemies'), Messers Bush and Blair are seemingly quite happy to do so...
 
Why do I watch Fox News? Well, because it's a cable news channel, that gives fair time to both sides.
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This is scary. I'm telling you, you watch it because you happen to agree to their conservative stance. To not admit this is delusional in the extreme.

There DOES NOT EXIST a U.S. mainstream "news" broadcaster that actually demonstrates journalistic integrity, free from 'opinion'. Some are more or less obvious as to which way they're biased- left or right- but Fox News is one of the more obviously conservative "news" sources. "Fair and balanced" my butt. Even Rush Limbaugh (conservative radio host) says Fox is totally conservatively biased!

Coming from Aussie news on our ABC (they just report the news, no opinion, no emotive crap. If they show any kind of bias they could get the axe from the government), its incredibly obvious your news broadcasting standards are generally overly emotive, soapy, heavily biased (one way or the other), low on facts and totally transparent for anyone with a modicum of intelligence to see through.

If you see Australian News (or British news on the BBC) you'll understand. We don't try and make news entertainment, or a soap opera. Its just the news.

If you're going to have a thread about what the liberal media hides, it would be infinitely more constructive to highlight the way the conservative media behave also.

I'm not a supporter of either party (choosing not to live in America is far smarter) but the bold one-sidedness of the thread topic doesn't bode well for an intelligent discussion of the many problems with the US media. Basically you guys have been shafted for a news source with integrity. To get anywhere near the truth, you've got to listen to everything and let all the crap sort of cancel itself out, which is sadly too taxing a task to expect the average American to accomplish. Most just aren't that objective, analytical, or open of mind to not get "sucked in" by their news service of choice.

This is the situation all media outlets play up to, they know people have limited time and they'd rather listen to something they tend to agree with. Being more liberal focused nets you all of the liberal audience. Being more allied with the conservative side automatically nets you the conservative audience. Its just good business really, and thats all there is to it. As soon as a news service has to battle for ratings or make money, all integrity will go down the toilet faster than a nun's first curry.
 
Dont take this the wrong way , but you do not have the slightest clue what you are talking about. How much news have you watched in the US ? what are you basing your opinion on ?
 
We can get most US news services on cable TV here in Aus. I have watched a lot of it, also visited the US for 6 months, have heard a lot people that would know say exactly what I'm saying. Rush Limbaugh agrees with me for Gods sake! He's part of the media! At least he admits he's totally supporting of the republicans! Rush thinks all the news services should just come out and admit what party they lean towards. Its very uneasy and obvious, the whole 'trying' to come across as fair and balanced when that is obviously not the case. If you can't tell me exactly what way each news service is biased (no matter how subtley) after watching them ALL, you are about as perceptive as a sponge.

Although only attacking one news provider, (the most obviously biased one) you must have seen the doco "OUTFOXED"? I'm not saying this isn't in itself a biased doco or 100% correct, but it certainly helps proves the lack of integrity in the US media.

The whole media circus that goes on in the US is something most Aussies are aware of, talk about, and feel lucky to not have media like that!

Here's a game: watch all the mainstream news services for a week (FOX NEWS, CNN, CBS, PBS, SKY news, ABC world news etc etc) and report back which way you feel they are biased. If you watch them in an analytical state of mind, you won't find it hard to detect the bias.
 
Here's a good one. News week published a story that said the guards tore up and disrespected the Koran...so of course a bunch of arabs got angry and demonstrated and rioted against the US devils and a bunch of people got killed . Now it turns out the story was based on bad info and was not checked out as it should have been AND in fact may be 100 % untrue . What responsibility do you give to News week for what they caused ? They can of course retract the story and apologise .....but the people that died wont come back AND the people that believed the story origionaly will just say that they are caving in under pressure or that the Government is making them retract..no win here for the government..
Are they are so biased , soooo quick to jump on a story that will harm the current administration ? Or is it that they just wanted to beat everyone with the story and jumped the gun ? Either way look what they caused .
 
ledhed
Here's a good one. News week published a story that said the guards tore up and disrespected the Koran...so of course a bunch of arabs got angry and demonstrated and rioted against the US devils and a bunch of people got killed . Now it turns out the story was based on bad info and was not checked out as it should have been AND in fact may be 100 % untrue . What responsibility do you give to News week for what they caused ? They can of course retract the story and apologise .....but the people that died wont come back AND the people that believed the story origionaly will just say that they are caving in under pressure or that the Government is making them retract..no win here for the government..
Are they are so biased , soooo quick to jump on a story that will harm the current administration ? Or is it that they just wanted to beat everyone with the story and jumped the gun ? Either way look what they caused .
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Ah! This is deplorable. People get killed because somebody wanted a quick story. That's sickening. I'm all for freedom of the press. But the press must be held responsible for their mistakes.
 
ledhed
it turns out the story was based on bad info and was not checked out as it should have been AND in fact may be 100 % untrue . What responsibility do you give to News week for what they caused ?
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If that is correct, then Newsweek should be held responsible.... it is up to them to decide on the authenticity of their news... if there is any doubt, then they shouldn't use it...
 
Swift
Ah! This is deplorable. People get killed because somebody wanted a quick story. That's sickening. I'm all for freedom of the press. But the press must be held responsible for their mistakes.
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I agree with you... But people killing people just by reading stuff from the press? I find that utterly idiotic and violent...
Those countries are too flamboyant when it comes to any kind of news... They will probably accept any news that works for them while calling false on any accusations that are held towards them... Call me biased but they seem to use violence as the only solution to any problem they face...

Newsweek made a terrible mistake... However it is the people who are responsible to carry a safe and civil protest...
 
animateria
I agree with you... But people killing people just by reading stuff from the press? I find that utterly idiotic and violent...
Those countries are too flamboyant when it comes to any kind of news... They will probably accept any news that works for them while calling false on any accusations that are held towards them... Call me biased but they seem to use violence as the only solution to any problem they face...

Newsweek made a terrible mistake... However it is the people who are responsible to carry a safe and civil protest...
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And what do you expect would happen in places like Texas, Florida etc. if America had been occupied by Iraq for over a couple of years and a then major news source reported that Iraqis had torn up a copy of the Bible and then flushed it down the toilet?
 
JacktheHat
And what do you expect would happen in places like Texas, Florida etc. if America had been occupied by Iraq for over a couple of years and a then major news source reported that Iraqis had torn up a copy of the Bible and then flushed it down the toilet?
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No one would know the answer to that question. There is no facts or previous experience to say what would happen. It would be all up to each person and how they perceive what they think should or would happen.

Plus, we're not talking about Iraq, this event happened in Afghanistan. Get it straight.

It is sad to see people get killed over a lie posted by Newsweek, with a goal only to damage the Bush administration. This is right up there with the fake documents over at CBS.

And you guys are telling me there is not a Liberal media?

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Viper Zero
And you guys are telling me there is not a Liberal media?
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I think what we're saying is that there are liberal media agencies and conservative media agencies but that this type of reporting is known as 'sensationalism'.
 
The biggest loser is the media. The loss of hard earned credibility is gonna hurt . with all the sources for info ( I use 36 different news sites....ABC,NBC,cnn,msnbc,fox,cbs,timewarner,cnn,aljezera,bbc,AP,,etc. etc. ) and the competition it creates among the different pandering agencys a loss of credibility is magnified . They ( newsweek ) have been on all the different news stations to try to spin the situation , but the more that comes out on the story the worse , and more unproffesional they are looking. The media is taking a bunch of hits on their credibility, more than at any other time in my life . I do not like the trend.
 
ledhed
The biggest loser is the media. The loss of hard earned credibility is gonna hurt . with all the sources for info ( I use 36 different news sites....ABC,NBC,cnn,msnbc,fox,cbs,timewarner,cnn,aljezera,bbc,AP,,etc. etc. ) and the competition it creates among the different pandering agencys a loss of credibility is magnified . They ( newsweek ) have been on all the different news stations to try to spin the situation , but the more that comes out on the story the worse , and more unproffesional they are looking. The media is taking a bunch of hits on their credibility, more than at any other time in my life . I do not like the trend.
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Yes, it is taking a hit. But they brought it on themselves.
 
Has Newsweek's central allegation from a senior US government official - that interrogators at Guantanamo flushed a copy of the Koran down a toilet - been categorically disproved?

"Given all that has been reported about the treatment of detainees - allegations that a female ilnterrogator pretended to wipe her own menstrual blood on one prisoner - the reports of the Koran desecration seem credible." That's what Newsweek (roughly) said and I have to agree.

And did Newsweek not send in a draft of the story to a senior Pentagon official who only challenged one element of it (which was duly changed) but said nothing of the Koran abuse?

After the riots, the magazine returned to its original source who admitted he might have been wrong about where he read the allegation. This amounts to a memory lapse, not a retraction.

Newsweek took the reasonable view that the allegations came from a trusted source, offered a Pentagon official an opportunity to deny the allegation, and when he didn't they published it. If people died as a result it is not the magazine's fault.

Having said that, reports of damage to a book (no matter how holy) can never justify violence IMO. If the riots were caused by Newsweek's story then that only confirms the danger posed by religious leaders who encourage hysterical reactions among their followers. It's legitimate to attack ideas not people.

The fierce attack on the magazine by the White House is likely to have bad consequences for other journalists in the American media.
 
"US government official"? "Pentagon official"?

Who are these people?

That is why Newsweek has been discredited.
 
You get annoyed at one case of crappy journalism? What about the supposed leaked documents CBS got all fired up about etc etc... it may be Newsweek's turn to be discredited today, but hey, the entire US media doesn't have any credibility in the whole. Its mostly sensationalist, biased crap, from both sides of politics more or less equally.
 
vladimir
i guess you were also all over colin powell for presenting false documents to the UN. :)
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Nice! Colin Powell isn't part of the media though, he's someone you should expect to be WAY MORE credible than any journalist! Doesn't reflect too well on him really.
 
Bomb, bomb New York!

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More than 100 hardline Islamic protesters chanted the name of Osama bin Laden outside the US Embassy in London today.​

The crowd, which is expected to grow during the afternoon, included many men whose faces were covered by their headscarves and at least a dozen women.

Their demonstration “against the desecration of the Koran” was being held yards from the steps of the Embassy in Grosvenor Square, which was guarded by a small detail of police.

The crowd, led by a man on a megaphone, chanted “USA watch your back, Osama is coming back” and “Kill, kill USA, kill, kill George Bush”.

They also chanted “Bomb, bomb New York” and “George Bush, you will pay, with your blood, with your head”.

Angry demonstrators waved placards which included the message: “Desecrate today and see another 9/11 tomorrow.”




http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/18759971?source=PA

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I thought Islam was the religion of peace, isn't it? Why don't normal, everyday Muslims come out and denounce these actions by radical Muslims?
 
Show me where, because even I cannot find an example. It's not hard to denounce statements like: "bomb, bomb New York!".

I'm not sure what a "radical neo-Christian hawk" is. I guess they would slap you upside the head with a cross.
 
you don't publish something in an actuality magazine without knowing if it is true, they backed off the story because of the pressure by the government so the storm would blow over...
besides the red cross and earlier-released documents by the american government stated that inmates testified about abuses to the koran in prison camps so newsweek wasn't the only source, just like with the torturing and sexual abuse in abu ghraib they blamed the soldiers who showed their faces on those pictures while it was official policy approved by rumsfeld and sanchez also i think, but the small man took the blame as usual.
 
Mr. horse
you don't publish something in an actuality magazine without knowing if it is true, they backed off the story because of the pressure by the government so the storm would blow over...
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False.

Newsweek's "source" backed away from the allegations and Newseek itself retracted the story, saying it "didn't have the facts".

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/05/16/newsweek.quran/
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,156612,00.htmlhttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,156612,00.html

besides the red cross and earlier-released documents by the american government stated that inmates testified about abuses to the koran in prison camps so newsweek wasn't the only source,
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Can you backup your statement with facts? No, you can't, but I can.

A military investigation found 15 "mishandlings" of the Koran at Guantanamo Bay. Of those 15 reports, only 5 were substantiated. The unsubstantiated reports consisted of guards accidentally touching or standing over a Koran. The 5 substantiated reports consisted of improperly handling the Koran, such as ripping the pages or throwing it to the floor.

For the record, the Bible is the most desecrated literature ever.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,157838,00.html

just like with the torturing and sexual abuse in abu ghraib they blamed the soldiers who showed their faces on those pictures
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That's right, the soldiers in those pictures have been convicted and punished for their actions in torturing terrorists. Unlike most middle eastern countries who let convicted and known terrorists walk freely within their own borders.

while it was official policy approved by rumsfeld and sanchez also i think, but the small man took the blame as usual.
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Can you show me this "official policy"? Do you have a link? Where did you read this?

Don't be like Newsweek and run a story without any facts.
 
you're a republican aren't you ;) ?

well if i have some time i'll look those stories up, i think you would find them on bbc news even...

about abu ghraib, the soldiers themselves testified they were instructed to do it, i believe the goverment founded this covert interrogating squad wich needed to get information quick out of captured detainees at what was then the start of the rebellion in iraq back in the summer of 2003, that squad went around and instructed the prisonkeepers on effective ''interrogating'' techniques, so they decided to use torture (mainly mental torture) and offcourse the sexual abuse wich is very effective on arab men...(like some texas reserves would know that this was the trick)

ps: i have a useful saying for you: 'where's smoke, there's fire'...
 
Mr. horse
you're a republican aren't you ;) ?
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How can you tell? Is it because I backup my statements with fact and reason?

well if i have some time i'll look those stories up, i think you would find them on bbc news even...
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Yeah, that's the problem right there. You don't look these stories up, instead you post conspiracy theories and blame America without merit.

i believe the goverment founded this covert interrogating squad...
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We already have a thread about conspiracy theories...

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=60790
 
Originally Posted by Mr. horse

you're a republican aren't you ?
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How can you tell? Is it because I backup my statements with fact and reason?
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no you sound like a hardliner, you probably got the stars and stripes hanging on your porch no?

Yeah, that's the problem right there. You don't look these stories up, instead you post conspiracy theories and blame America without merit.
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well i accept your challenge and raise the odds ;) :


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4581383.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4585281.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4567457.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4564405.stm

as i said before: where there's smoke, there's fire...
 

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