What would you do? Again.

JCE
Good luck finding one, then finding one in your price range, then finding one with low miles and lastly finding the ONE left in the United States that is unmodified. If you do you will not be sorry. :D

I'm going to Portland tomorrow in the morning to pick up the one I posted. (Assuming there is nothing mechanically worrisome.) We still haven't met on price but I don't think we're far off. (They're being sticklers. It's a Ford dealership and they know they have something rare. Trouble is, it's not as rare as they think!) I'm clearly their only (or best lead) so once I get down there I expect things to go well.

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Regarding RSX:

I can insure both the Focus and R for 120-140/month. The RSX will be more inline with the Z33 I used to have. I don't really want a flashy car like that either. I like knowing that the only people who will recognize my car are most likely enthusiasts. And theres this:

We found 1 listing within 500 miles of Olympia, WA .
You searched for:

Car Type: All Cars

Make/Model: Acura RSX

Year Range: 1981 - 2012

Price Range: Max. $11,000

Seller Type: All Sellers

Specs: Manual, Under 75,000 Miles

Regarding the Cooper S: It's just not something I'm really interested in.
 
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^Pics or ban. :D

Jk. Well congrats on the purchase. It seemed like your heart was pretty set on it already, and I hope you enjoy it.
 
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I do have one question for JCE:

How does this car not understeer? It defies logic. The dealer put crappy all seasons from a generic chain tire store and the thing still grips.
 
Biased against Ford? hardly. I've driven 3 different SVT Fociis, and I'll admit, it's a fun car, no way of denying that. But I don't see the appeal of it, why, suddently, everyone here wants one. I see it as a trend, much like the Miata trend we've got going. You wanted suggestions, and I think the RSX is a viable option. Sure it's a bit more "diluted" than an SVT tuned Focus, but it's also more comfortable, something that's worth considering as you get older and your bones start to feel older as well. That stiff SVT suspension's awesome when you throw it around, but in day to day commute? That's another story.

As long as you've driven one with an open mind and understand that it does handle brilliantly I'll be happy.

Not in the same price range? You can get an 02-03 Type-S with a little over 90k miles for around 7-8k... and 100k+ go for around 6000$. That's basically break in for those things, we have a customer at work who's done over 200 000 km's on his, and it's still as fresh as the day it was new. I know I'd rather buy a car with 90k+ miles that's been serviced regularly and well maintained than one with 60k that's been beat to hell and back. Too understeery? Unless the roads in your area are racetracks, I don't see why that matters. If you're driving fast enough to induce understeer on a twisty country road, then maybe you don't actually belong on the streets. Or you don't know how to drive. Or you're driving a J-Body.

I don't doubt the RSX is reliable, and it is, I do have to politely disagree about the part in bold. That is true for almost any car really when you think about it. Mine was neglected by it's previous owner and I am paying for it. Not even 70k miles and I've already spent almost $2,000 USD on repairs. :( I still enjoy the driving experience.

While I'm shooting in the dark here, have you thought about the 03 and up Hyundai Tiburon GT? That's pretty much right around when Hyundai started to make good cars, it's got 170hp (V6 soundtrack!) and 6 speeds, it looks fantastic, doesn't drive too bad either, and you can get them for peanuts nowadays.

I wholeheartedly love the Tiburon GT with a manual (5spd variation actually slightly quicker off the line to 60-70mph). They are more reliable than anything else we've mentioned and have a killer warranty. They handle very well but not as well as the aforementioned FWD'ers. Owning a Type-S, SVTF and a GTI/VR6 has a certain exclusivity that the Hyundai doesn't. If that matters.

To throw another vehicle out there, you can look at an R53 MINI Cooper S. They have 6-speeds and you can find them with leather, heated seats. It has slightly less horsepower at 163, but it also weighs 2,513lbs, compared to the Focus 2,750lbs. 250lbs means more then 7hp.

MINI's are often regarded as one of the best handling small cars too.

The SVT isn't a bad car though, I've had friends that have had them in the past. They were fairly unreliable but I'm not sure that was really the cars fault as my buddies often thrashed them everywhere they went and raced them quite frequently.

Love the 1st gen Cooper S'! But finding one that isn't ragged out to hell and in the desirable price and mileage range with the colors/exterior trim options you want is nearly impossible. Plus they already have someone else's names on them--literally! :lol:

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I do have one question for JCE:

How does this car not understeer? It defies logic. The dealer put crappy all seasons from a generic chain tire store and the thing still grips.

No earthly idea. The handling dynamics are insanely good.

I'm going to Portland tomorrow in the morning to pick up the one I posted. (Assuming there is nothing mechanically worrisome.) We still haven't met on price but I don't think we're far off. (They're being sticklers. It's a Ford dealership and they know they have something rare. Trouble is, it's not as rare as they think!) I'm clearly their only (or best lead) so once I get down there I expect things to go well.

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Looks great! I wanted to put those side skirts on my 5 door. :D Good to see you got the Mach HID headlights and the good seats.

I didn't get so lucky...

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So Ashley is in love with the Focus and does not want to drive the Volvo. We are considering (half jokingly, but half serious) finding another SVTF and getting rid of the R. It would have to have the same options though; Recaros, Mach HID, sideskirts, maybe not the Audiophile stereo. It is pretty nice, but the unit itself is amplified and we like hooking up our iPods, those silly software things are never any good.
 
How does this car not understeer? It defies logic. The dealer put crappy all seasons from a generic chain tire store and the thing still grips.

That's what happens when you have the combined genius of SVT and Ford Europe engineers working on a car like the Focus that was brilliant already.

The Mk1 Focus was pretty special, car mags over here are still raving about it now. The only car in its class to better it (on ride and handling) in Europe was the Peugeot 306 (if you ever want the meaning of the word "unanimous" when it comes to positive press verdicts, look for a review of the 306 Rallye...), and since that car was replaced there's not been a lot to touch the Focus. Including the new (Mk3) Focus, which has apparently been made a bit softer and less involving.

Glad you're enjoying your SVT 👍
 
K, so, I bought the SVTF, kept the R.

New predicament: I think I actually do want a Miata. But a fast Miata. Anyone have any insights as to the reliability of boosted NA's? Nothing crazy obviously, just the base FM kit which is apparently good for 165whp.

There is also the option of an NB Mazdaspeed MX5 and the FM kit for that, which is is supposed to be about 200whp, but that might be a bit much.

Granted, right now it is hard for me to imagine life without the R as the roads have been covered in snow and ice since Wednesday, but I really like the idea of a turbo MX-5.

I can't add a poll, so:

1. Get an NA, buy the Flying Miata kit.
2. Buy an NB Mazdaspeed with the FM kit.
3. Buy any NA/NB and keep it NA.
4. You're an idiot, just stop going around in circles with cars and keep the Volvo.

Keep in mind, out of all the "what car" threads (3, I believe; 350Z, S60R, SVTF) I have made, I have ended up getting a car within the week, so pray for me if you think this is a terrible idea.
 
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There is a one owner '96 with 68k for sale up north listed for 5k. Autotrader quip says clean Carfax, I have one or two lookups left from the license I bought last week, so I may see for myself.




Unrelated:

Took the SVT out in the snow and it put a big smile on my face. Rear end slid out around a few low speed bends. No lifting, no braking, just a cocky little car. (Nothing spectacular, no countersteer required. Just enough that I could feel it.) It's almost as if it was saying, "um excuse me sir, but I think you're going a bit too slow. Don't you want to have fun?" The damn thing is freakin playful.
 
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So this past weekend we took a trip up to a friends cabin up in the mountains. The obvious choice of car was the Volvo. The trip was about 450 miles round trip and the roads were pretty nice, but conditions were not conducive to high speeds. While one from our party was up skiing he ran into some friends and ultimately all planned to meet up in a little town for dinner. On the way to dinner, I by chance pulled out onto the two lane highway behind the people we were going to meet. Upon parking, they proclaimed, "wow, that was you in the S60R?" We talked a bit more about the car and at that moment, combined with images of a few brisk acceleration runs from earlier, all seemed right.

But it all seemed so empty. I didn't really bond with the car. Everything just seems so detached. The steering isn't precise enough, the throttle response isn't quick enough, it understeers too much. I am pretty sure I will still ultimately keep the R, but I am definitely entertaining ideas. I would like to get something more involving and RWD again. The boosted Miata is obviously still a draw, but that might not be the right car for a daily driver. (If I did get rid of the R, I would let Ash take the SVTF since she loves it so much.)

• 15k OTD (Washington sales tax is 8.9%)
• Manual
• RWD
• Fast enough I won't miss the R
• Average reliability

Does anyone know anything about these?

Already checked around, and it really seems like the normal stuff that goes wrong and a lot of it is pretty easily fixed.

No S2Ks or RX8s.
 
2006 Pontiac GTO a4

-Color: Impluse blue metallic
-Mileage: 98,800+
-Hp: acclaimed 400 hp flywheel by GM. Dyno'd @ 468 rwhp / 475 rwtq w/100 shot
-Gas: $40-60/week. x4 weeks : ~$280 x12 months : $1920 - 2880. Multiply that by the 4.5 years we owned it, and it'll give you the amount of gas we've spent on it in its lifetime.
-Total of 7 passes at our local dragstrip
-Problems: Rear sagging springs (fixed with Pedders), ignition lock @ 36k miles, blown tranny @ 76k miles and went through 3 sunvisors on the passenger side of the car.
- Mods: full exhaust, tune and a 100 shot of nitrous :)

Ordered from dealer on Nov. of '05. Built on March of '06. Picked up off the showroom floor on Aug. of '06 with 64 mi on the odometer. Paid: 33.5k brand new. Regrets? Depreciation and the constant climbing of mileage on the odometer lol, but honestly, my wife and I couldnt care less since we aren't selling anytime soon :). We bought it with the intention of driving it primarily on the weekends, but thought hard and decided to keep it as a daily driver and still have fun with it to this day.

Want: BMW 335i Coupe in Crimson Red

With the money we've spent on the GTO, we could've bought a new 335i. Still considering it since it's my wifes idea of an "ideal daily driver." Plus it responds well to minor bolt-ons and an ECU tune, which i've heard can get you to well over 400 rwhp easily.
 
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K, so, I bought the SVTF, kept the R.

New predicament: I think I actually do want a Miata. But a fast Miata. Anyone have any insights as to the reliability of boosted NA's? Nothing crazy obviously, just the base FM kit which is apparently good for 165whp.

There is also the option of an NB Mazdaspeed MX5 and the FM kit for that, which is is supposed to be about 200whp, but that might be a bit much.

Granted, right now it is hard for me to imagine life without the R as the roads have been covered in snow and ice since Wednesday, but I really like the idea of a turbo MX-5.

I can't add a poll, so:

1. Get an NA, buy the Flying Miata kit.
2. Buy an NB Mazdaspeed with the FM kit.
3. Buy any NA/NB and keep it NA.
4. You're an idiot, just stop going around in circles with cars and keep the Volvo.

Sorry I missed this before.

I have a '96 base Miata with the discontinued FM Ubercharger blower on it. It's got standalone engine management with wideband O2, intercooler, increased fuel delivery, header, intake, etc. It dynoed at around 239hp/180fp at the rear wheels; about 10 pounds per horsepower. It goes like stink and makes nearly all of its torque from around 2000 all the way through 6000 or so.

Mine has around 108,000 miles on it and has been wearing the add-ons for the last 35,000 miles or so, including track days and a lot of autocross. The engine sounds great and I don't see any reason it won't last another 40,000 miles or more unless I kill it.

The only real driveability issues are this:

1) The standalone tuning is NOT OBD II compliant, which means every 2 years I have to dismount all the fun bits, reinstall the factory ECU, and putt through the emissions test line. That's a pain in the ass, frankly.

2) The fuel economy both sucks and blows at the same time.

3) It's a Miata, with all the compromises in utility that entails.

It's set up to be a trackday car and autocrosser, so it is low and stiffly sprung and heavily damped. It's pretty hard core for a daily driver, but if you didn't mind that, it would be fine. During the summer I'll drive it to work a couple of times a week, but it's not made for cruising to the drive-in with your wife.

A lower-output turbo kit might require less in the way of tolerance. The big thing would be either to make sure the installed kit is OBD II compliant, or start with a pre-'96 car which does not need to be. For a daily, I could stand for less power if it meant less tinkering, but this car's primary mission is to go fast, and I actually enjoy tinkering. If you don't have knowledge or facilities to do most of it yourself, I would definitely sacrifice optimum power for ease of care.

I will vouch for the quality of Flyin' Miata's equipment and service, though. Both are top notch.

I don't know what your budget is. If you're for looking something turnkey, I would look at getting a Mazdaspeed Miata and then pursue some of the simpler bolt-ons as time and money allow. If you're looking for a real project car, I would find a clean '95 Miata from somewhere around Atlanta, open the FM catalog, and start ordering parts.

I suspect that an NA NA (pardon the pun) will not satisfy you if you are a power junkie. If you can appreciate what a low-power Miata was designed to be, then of course, that would be fine. However it might get dull if it is stuck paddling back and forth to work every day, where it doesn't get a chance to shine in its natural habitat.
 
Thanks for the response.

All I've ever seen about Miatas is that even when boosted they are pretty stinkin durable. Mine would definitely not see a track (a go kart track at that) more than once or twice a year and the daily drive would be 30 highway miles in the clear one way, and 30 miles with stop and go for 5 miles or so on the way back. 239whp in a car as light as an NA would probably be too much for me, so I would definitely be looking at the cheaper FM kit or something similar. (Im sure even at 150whp, an NA would be about the fastest car I've ever driven.)

I definitely like the idea of the MSM with some bolt ons. I am more comfortable with that kind of modification. And apparently that car is pretty potent with simple stuff. The problem is, the prices of MSMs are pretty comparable to the M Roadsters I've been looking at.

I don't have all the cash on hand I would need for an extensive build of an NA, and if I was going 10k plus on a car I would use my cash down. So either car is going to be stock for a while. But I think with an NA the cash would pile up quick. I should be fine driving an NA NA (lol) for a few months. (Im driving the SVTF right now and don't have any power envy.)
 

You know you want something like this.

Just kidding, unless you're willing to deal with the maintenance. The problem with those is that those at those prices, you'll likely be looking at some pretty expensive repairs soon.

In seriousness, are you looking for something like a direct replacement to the S60R? Like, do you need 4 doors and 4 seats?
 
Sorry for the double post. (I'm on GTP mobile.) but I would love an E39 M5. LOVE. But I haven't seen one worth buying in my price range.

LOVE.




Absolutely. The E39 is the best looking BMW ever in my opinion.
 
I second that sir.

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Most beatiful BMW ever made.

Oh, and if you want to stand out..

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Think about it, this is a nice drive for work, nice drive for a cruise, and not to forget, it's fast, verry fast and it's V8 sounds amazing. I sold the R and bought this.. But kept the Focus!
 
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So Bones, which M are you considering? How was it? What's the asking price?
 
2000 M Roadster with 80k miles. Dealer is askeing 14,9 which is a good amount above Blue Book value.

I didn't actually get to drive it. Had some things to do at home so I didn't stop by after work.
 
Keep in mind the E39 M5 is a lot of maintenance. Many owners I know tend to comment about how it would just be nice to have a 540i with a 6 speed at times.

///M-Spec is an amazing resource on M model cars, especially the E36 M3 as he has owned 2. Personally, the E36 is fantastic, but if you can afford more, probably worth it. Not the most refined car to come out of BMW, but probably the best value for the money if you dig around, and fairly easy to work on and maintain.
 
Yeah, I haven't even considered an M5. Funny you mention the 540, because there was a local one (meaning in my state) with a 6 speed I really wanted to check out but the miles were way high and it was still a 2 hour drive for me.
 

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