What's Hideous, Weighs 15 Pounds and Can Support a London Bus? F1's New Halo
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- fortbo
- fortbo
Yeah agreed. What we saw full demonstrates it’s effectiveness to those who were doubting it. I’ll still never understand people who hate it for looks or because it takes away from the spirit of F1 because somehow dead drivers are a better option than subjectively hurting the looks of a car.
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- NotThePrez
- NotThePrez
Flames? Debatable. When the car split in two, the fuel tanks instantly ruptured and all of its contents went all over the place. I'm admittedly pulling this out of my butt, but since the glass shield covers more "area" than the halo, it's just as likely that fuel could've gotten on the glass and made it even harder for RoGro to climb out of the car the way he did.
That being said, I have doubts that Indycar's glass shield would have forced open the steel rails like the Halo did while also A) Maintaining structural integrity and B) not causing potential harm to the driver.
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I don't see why it wouldn't have similar performance considering it's basically a halo wrapped in polycarbonate.
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- NotThePrez
- NotThePrez
Well then, I stand corrected.
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- GTP_Grand_Prix
I think a closed cockpit would have been disastrous in Grosjean's crash. You need that space above the cockpit to get out quickly.
Something to be concerned about is, what would happen if he was unconscious? The medics/marshals would have to put the fire out first, or go into the flames to unbuckle his harness and pull him out of that small space between the halo and hot guardrail. It was extremely fortunate that he was able to get out by himself. Note that he opted to grab onto the hot guardrail to haul himself up, instead of grabbing the halo. I thought that was interesting. The guardrail made the space above the cockpit smaller to get out of, and also provided a means for escape.
Of course without the halo his head would have hit the guardrail and he wouldn't be able to get out of the car, as he would be dead.
Something to be concerned about is, what would happen if he was unconscious? The medics/marshals would have to put the fire out first, or go into the flames to unbuckle his harness and pull him out of that small space between the halo and hot guardrail. It was extremely fortunate that he was able to get out by himself. Note that he opted to grab onto the hot guardrail to haul himself up, instead of grabbing the halo. I thought that was interesting. The guardrail made the space above the cockpit smaller to get out of, and also provided a means for escape.
Of course without the halo his head would have hit the guardrail and he wouldn't be able to get out of the car, as he would be dead.
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He might have been dazed/shocked/panicked and grabbed the first thing he felt could get him out of there. Survival instinct is far greater than any training out there.
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- pj-gm
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The thing that bothers me so much is that this isn't even one of those accidents that you say this would have ended badly 20, 30 years ago but we have come so far. This would have ended very differently 3 years ago.
Going from not being sure if the Halo was necessary, to wondering why extra head protection took so long, with the sport being open cockpit for its whole existence. This single issue has basically guaranteed that under specific, but not improbable circumstances that a driver could meet his demise.
Going from not being sure if the Halo was necessary, to wondering why extra head protection took so long, with the sport being open cockpit for its whole existence. This single issue has basically guaranteed that under specific, but not improbable circumstances that a driver could meet his demise.
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- TenEightyOne
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Today's F1 race at Imola saw a big crash between Bottas and Russell. Looks like a sizable chunk of debris was deflected by Russell's halo.
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- GTP_Famine
It also looks like Bottas's halo stopped Russell's front-left from going into his head too.
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- GTP_Famine
What a bizarre question. Why would he be banned for it?Oh my! Funniest post I read here in ages... 100% politically incorrect!
How come you weren't banned for it?
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- GTP_Famine
Again, a fully strange take on things. Why wouldn't it be "allowed"?It is not bizarre, child abuse is illegal!
All right, humor is allowed by AUP rules, good to know.
As you seem unfamiliar with it, the AUP is right here.
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Looks like a chunk of polystyrene braking point marker board to me. Don't think that would have caused too much damage
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Honestly, the halo would have saved Justin Wilson and Henry Surtees, and seen from their onboards it would have been undoubtedly clear. All I've seen so far to prove this or that is just conjecture. Grosjean crash? Maybe, almost certain. Then again he was very close to get stuck in the flames by the halo itself. What is certain without "almost" is that 50 years later we still have guardrails not that much stronger than those which killed F. Cevert. And fire, a big fire, again.
FIA should be under investigation, but guess what, it's FIA investigating themselves: what a ridiculous joke...
FIA should be under investigation, but guess what, it's FIA investigating themselves: what a ridiculous joke...
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Nope, we have very different Guardrails to the ones 50 years ago.
When was the last one again?
Are you honestly attempting to claim that the FIA doesn't take safety seriously?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0330351397/?tag=gtplanetuk-20
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00A8ESDN4/?tag=gtplanetuk-20
Read the above two books, look at the work of the author and come back and make that claim.
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As long as F1 cars are still powered by the combustion of highly flammable liquids, fires are inevitable. Containers of fuel surrounded by very hot objects and high speed impacts can never be regulated in a way where the possibility of fire is completely avoidable.
The FIA has to be reactionary in its investigations rather than proactive. There are so many variables that they can't possibly regulate to make bad accidents completely avoidable. There should have been a tyre wall or Techpro barriers against that, and perhaps all guardrails as a matter of course, but it's a part of the circuit where cars were never envisioned to be in danger of hitting because theres no history of them doing so. Freak occurrence. You can't regulate what you can't perceive.
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It's a discussion forum, if you post, expect to get replies.
My status as a moderator has nothing to do with it at all, so I have no idea why you think it would, I simply disagree with you, as people do in a discussion.
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