What's The Point Of FIA

[RubberBandit]

If you aren't in the top one percent who qualify and travel to these world events?

Don't take me wrong I am interested to watch the best in the world compete against each other, but for people who are pretty good drivers but not enough to qualify for world events, what's the point of doing FIA?

I feel like Sport Mode should have its own incentive and program to make it more exciting rather than just racking up points.

 

[KDertan]

Well I think this question fits to almost every game out there...

But what about countries that does not count in that? I'm from Bulgaria and there is no way that anyone from here can qualify to travel anywhere just because our country is not in the Europe / Middle East / Africa "Participating Regions" list with countries. This is far more embarrassing...

Anyway I think there should be some regional championship finals or country one (at least online) just to keep the pressure there. Because on the other hand if you do not go to the World events then... it's just like other games - kill some time.

 

[BaareCZ]

If you aren't in the top one percent who qualify and travel to these world events?

Don't take me wrong I am interested to watch the best in the world compete against each other, but for people who are pretty good drivers but not enough to qualify for world events, what's the point of doing FIA?

I feel like Sport Mode should have its own incentive and program to make it more exciting rather than just racking up points.

I think it's more like 0,001%. 1% would be quite a lot of people (including me). And trust me, I have never qualified for a World tour event. But I agree. To me, it is completely pointless. Plus I actually have a life so I don't have the time for practicing. And at my level you can't just jump in and do a race without preparation because you would get absolutely destroyed. I've stopped doing FIA races a long time ago. So, I guess it's only to feel good about yourself and to be able to get the Star player rating.

I'm from Bulgaria and there is no way that anyone from here can qualify to travel anywhere just because our country is not in the Europe / Middle East / Africa "Participating Regions"

What? What do you mean Bulgaria isn't in the EMEA region? This is the list of countries in EMEA from the official GT Sport website:

Europe/Middle East/Africa

●UK ●Ireland ●Belgium ●Luxembourg ●Netherlands ●France ●Germany ●Austria ●Switzerland ●Italy ●Portugal ●Denmark ●Finland ●Norway ●Sweden ●Spain ●Russia ●UAE ●South Africa ●Poland ●Greece ●Saudi Arabia ●Czech Republic ●Turkey ●India ●Croatia ●Slovenia ●Kuwait ●Israel ●Ukraine ●Bulgaria ●Hungary ●Qatar ●Romania ●Bahrain ●Lebanon ●Oman ●Malta ●Cyprus ●Slovakia ●Iceland

 

[UjiOgami15]

I am a humble B/S driver and nonetheless I enjoy FIA races. The point is really simple: climbing as higher as possible in the national leaderboard even if I know I will never have a shot to become a S player. Just trying to have some fun.

Since it is my first message I'll go with a newbye question: I saw in various threads talking about RP e SP, where the hell can I check that??? I just see the fricking bar for my RP level and don't even know where I am with my SP, it would be useful to know with this crappy penalty system.

 

[KDertan]

What? What do you mean Bulgaria isn't in the EMEA region? This is the list of countries in EMEA from the official GT Sport website:

Europe/Middle East/Africa

●UK ●Ireland ●Belgium ●Luxembourg ●Netherlands ●France ●Germany ●Austria ●Switzerland ●Italy ●Portugal ●Denmark ●Finland ●Norway ●Sweden ●Spain ●Russia ●UAE ●South Africa ●Poland ●Greece ●Saudi Arabia ●Czech Republic ●Turkey ●India ●Croatia ●Slovenia ●Kuwait ●Israel ●Ukraine ●Bulgaria ●Hungary ●Qatar ●Romania ●Bahrain ●Lebanon ●Oman ●Malta ●Cyprus ●Slovakia ●Iceland

We are in the EMEA but not in the participating countries:

 

[itsakour]

I think it's more like 0,001%. 1% would be quite a lot of people (including me). And trust me, I have never qualified for a World tour event. But I agree. To me, it is completely pointless. Plus I actually have a life so I don't have the time for practicing. And at my level you can't just jump in and do a race without preparation because you would get absolutely destroyed. I've stopped doing FIA races a long time ago. So, I guess it's only to feel good about yourself and to be able to get the Star player rating.



What? What do you mean Bulgaria isn't in the EMEA region? This is the list of countries in EMEA from the official GT Sport website:

Europe/Middle East/Africa

●UK ●Ireland ●Belgium ●Luxembourg ●Netherlands ●France ●Germany ●Austria ●Switzerland ●Italy ●Portugal ●Denmark ●Finland ●Norway ●Sweden ●Spain ●Russia ●UAE ●South Africa ●Poland ●Greece ●Saudi Arabia ●Czech Republic ●Turkey ●India ●Croatia ●Slovenia ●Kuwait ●Israel ●Ukraine ●Bulgaria ●Hungary ●Qatar ●Romania ●Bahrain ●Lebanon ●Oman ●Malta ●Cyprus ●Slovakia ●Iceland

Bulgaria,as Greece,Turkey and Ucraine are for the FIRST time participating countries,until now none of these territories could get the "s" rankings!

Even now that they got in the list, when you trying to complete the form to get the "s"as i did,based on the game telling me that i have the critiria,so i can do it,and also,many of my compatriots tried,it stays unfinished telling you that the aria you are coming is not registered
At least there is hope to solve this,as a good person showed me the tweet of a person who i believe that works for polyphony,saying that these countries are realy eligible and the issue is going to be settled soon..

 

[BaareCZ]

Since it is my first message I'll go with a newbye question: I saw in various threads talking about RP e SP, where the hell can I check that??? I just see the fricking bar for my RP level and don't even know where I am with my SP, it would be useful to know with this crappy penalty system.

You mean DR and SR?

https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=search

Enter your PSN and click Search. You can then click on your PSN and it goes to your profile page with a lot of useful stats.

We are in the EMEA but not in the participating countries:
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I had no idea. I thought all EMEA countries could take part in the races. I don't get it.

 

[KDertan]

Bulgaria,as Greece,Turkey and Ucraine are for the FIRST time participating countries,until now none of these territories could get the "s" rankings!

Even now that they got in the list, when you trying to complete the form to get the "s"as i did,based on the game telling me that i have the critiria,so i can do it,and also,many of my compatriots tried,it stays unfinished telling you that the aria you are coming is not registered
At least there is hope to solve this,as a good person showed me the tweet of a person who i believe that works for polyphony,saying that these countries are realy eligible and the issue is going to be settled soon..

As I posted above Bulgaria is not in the list. Turkey, Ukraine and Greece are.

 

[dlshearon]

To have fun, it is a GAME!

 

[VBR]

Would be nice if there were divisions, not just a handful of the fastest drivers that make it to real-world FIA events.

 

[UjiOgami15]

You mean DR and SR?

https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=search

Enter your PSN and click Search. You can then click on your PSN and it goes to your profile page with a lot of useful stats.

Thanks a lot!
Yeah, I meant DR and SR, that's how newbye I am in terms of online terminology, even if I've been playing GTS for the last 6 months (and played the original GT when I was a kid!) on my own without socializing with anyone. Glad I've found this community.

 

[breeminator]

The FIA races are often simply much better races than the daily races - longer, with more interesting strategy, and a one off qualifying rather than people spending days tryharding their QT.

Edit: also, you get a much tighter range of DRs in the FIA lobbies compared to daily races, due to the players being concentrated into a small number of slots.

 

[Pigems]

Would be nice if there were divisions, not just a handful of the fastest drivers that make it to real-world FIA events.

People would just game them system if there was though, it would just end up a big mess from people tanking to win a division.

 

[PirovacBoy]

The Point is to Fill up the Rooms with enough Players/Cannon Fodder, so that the Top Players have a Full Grid in their Races.
That Counts for the Top Split rooms.
The Lower Ranked Players are just playing for fun, as they are Never going to make it to a World Tour.
I personally have a unique idea that could change everything for the players, maybe i‘ll Open a new Thread in a Bit...lets See what you Guys think

 

[Winnie847]

what's the point of playing any video game?

you're still racing against other people and having fun, right?

if you know you won't make it to a live event, (much like myself) just set personal goals for yourself and see if you can achieve them. or don't. who cares? just play the game if it's fun or don't play it if it isn't.

 

[Groundfish]

To have fun, it is a GAME!

Yep. Plus a thousand.
Fun is my reason.

 

[stpatty]

what's the point of playing any video game?

you're still racing against other people and having fun, right?

if you know you won't make it to a live event, (much like myself) just set personal goals for yourself and see if you can achieve them. or don't. who cares? just play the game if it's fun or don't play it if it isn't.

This is the correct answer.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

You’re assuming everyone participating cares about getting to World Tour in the first place. I know I don’t.

I do FIA because I like the league style format over doing isolated Daily races. It’s that simple. But I especially like the Manufacturer series and having only two cars to try to get the most out of for a whole season.

 

[Lazybike]

I get the for fun argument, but a lot of the time it's not that much fun, we all know about the short comings of the penalty system, the points system makes FIA a laughing stock, there is no worth while league table, higher scoring lower ranked lobbies and multiple attempts have seen to that.

 

[Trone_Colby]

The real question is what’s the point of daily races?lol.

For me so far, the races are usually (not always) cleaner than daily races.

 

[05XR8]

what's the point of playing any video game?

you're still racing against other people and having fun, right?

if you know you won't make it to a live event, (much like myself) just set personal goals for yourself and see if you can achieve them. or don't. who cares? just play the game if it's fun or don't play it if it isn't.

Yup.

 

[theschledy]

I get the for fun argument, but a lot of the time it's not that much fun, we all know about the short comings of the penalty system, the points system makes FIA a laughing stock, there is no worth while league table, higher scoring lower ranked lobbies and multiple attempts have seen to that.

All of this.

The biggest deterrent for me was the practice. Coming home from work just to do practice laps got old after a while. And then you get to race day and all of the issues mentioned above come in to play. Maybe it was just my experience, but I can't say there was a lot of good races to look back on. Just bad penalties, bad sportsmanship, or a small error that would essentially end the race.

I'll do the odd race on my backup account if the combo looks fun (didn't see any in the upcoming season), but apart from that I can't be bothered with these races. But props to anyone that's still enjoying them.

 

[dlshearon]

Not many people can take the time away from their jobs/life to do the WT stuff.

I get the practice feels like work but I usually just run 5-10 laps in a lobby to see the fuel and tire wear.

The first slot and last slots seem to be the best for clean racing. B/S lobby.

 

[stpatty]

I get the for fun argument, but a lot of the time it's not that much fun, we all know about the short comings of the penalty system, the points system makes FIA a laughing stock, there is no worth while league table, higher scoring lower ranked lobbies and multiple attempts have seen to that.

I like racing. I've always liked Gran Turismo, and I prefer racing against people to racing against the AI in Gran Turismo. I enjoy the competition and always want to improve as I largely have ever since I started doing the FIA races regularly, especially since I switched to a wheel last December.

I want to finish as well as I can in races and score as many points as I can, but I know my success is relative. At best, my DR is around half of what's possible. I know it's much harder to go from 37.5k to 75k than it is to go from 0 to 37.5. I can still be matched against people at my level, and have competitive, fun racing, assuming that's what everyone wants to do.

Even though there's multiple entry now, I generally prefer the FIA races to dailies because they're more formal and more of an event, with the qualifying, increased length and strategy implications. Even with multiple entries, there's more on the line than a random daily race you can go straight back into five minutes after finishing one race.

Aside from the points, you seem to be criticising the game as a concept rather than solely the FIA races.

 

[Groundfish]

On the flip side what is the point in racing AI?

 

[stevewf1]

FIA races are a waste of time. Every race today rammed off on purpose on the first lap and given a time penalty. The races have lost all their credibility. Only for noobs and not for decent drivers who try to race properly

 

[Lazybike]

Aside from the points, you seem to be criticising the game as a concept rather than solely the FIA races.

No...not at all, GTS is the only game I play, and I pretty much play daily, it's a great game and I only play online, FIA scoring system is flawed, but the combos are sometimes good, I don't want to put hours into practice and multiple chances at races takes away much of the intensity and sense of occasion, given one shot and a scoring system that genuinely showed your world/national/manufacturer rank would make it, at least for me, much better.

 

[Winnie847]

The races have lost all their credibility. Only for noobs and not for decent drivers who try to race properly

one of the most ridiculous claims yet

 

[Tidgney]

In my opinion if the points structure was done right so that you could accurately place yourself in your country and region it would make total sense but with it being all over the place you could look like you're top 10 in your country and be actually 100th and others could be top 10 and actually placed 100th due to the randomness of it.

They also used to be 1 shot which added a "Special" factor to them, but that has been scrapped.

Without these 2 factors I feel like they're just like any other race but with slightly closer skill gaps if I'm honest.

 

[stpatty]

No...not at all, GTS is the only game I play, and I pretty much play daily, it's a great game and I only play online, FIA scoring system is flawed, but the combos are sometimes good, I don't want to put hours into practice and multiple chances at races takes away much of the intensity and sense of occasion, given one shot and a scoring system that genuinely showed your world/national/manufacturer rank would make it, at least for me, much better.

I think that depends on how seriously you want to take them. I usually always go in for the first slot of the night. If I get a good result there then I'll be quite happy and leave it there. If it's bad and I don't see much room for improvement, like today's Manu race, I'll leave it. If I drove badly and think I can do better, or if my race got spoiled by something stupid, I'll go again.

I think the last time I went in for multiple tries (apart from yesterday's kart race where I had connection problems) was a few weeks ago when it was an N300 race at one of the Lago Maggiore layouts. I had three tries, the first two were in a X-Bow trying desperately to make it work against the F50s. It didn't. I went in the Ferrari in the last race and finished 3rd. I got 90 points, but I still got a good race out of it in the end and what at the time was a good result for me. That was with pretty much only my actual racing as practice, and about three practice laps total before the F50 race.

The point system is quite flawed, but I think right now in a 40 round championship counting your best 12 results that the standings are going to be quite fair, whether you're top 100 in your region or top 1000.

Ed - to add to that last point and what Tidgney posted while I was writing this, I think anywhere below A+ level there's a general sense of inconsistency from race to race that can't be matched by points. Last week my DR went much higher than normal because I did a lot of Blue Moon Bay in the dailies and finished well most of the time. When I went in for my next FIA race my DR was nearly 10k higher than it had been before, and in Gr.3 at Nurb GP I was awful. Think I finished 16th or something and got about 60 points, even though I'd won some FIA races a few weeks before and got ~120 points. Should I have been rewarded more for being in a higher rated lobby? Probably, but if it had been at Monza, or St. Croix, or another track where the Gr.3 Nissan is strong, I would have done a lot better.

As much as the point system is flawed and I agree with Tidge's alternate he's proposed a few times, I think there are problems at lower levels that the point system isn't wholly responsible for. But, to go back to your original query, I can still enjoy the racing in them.