What's Your Response to My Friend's LSD Setup?

[SS_1182]

I have a friend who is a beast online, very fast, very clean. He wins probably 75% of the races he's in. Somebody asked him about his LSD settings last night and he said that he runs 60/60/30 for anything 400hp or more, and 50/50/20 for 300hp range. He says it won't slow you down, and well he's pretty darned fast so I can't really tell him otherwise when he's walking all over everyone else. Really makes me wonder about the tuning in this game sometimes. Guy is a legit driver.


Thoughts?

 

[budious]

The initial and brake isn't that important, the number that benefits him is the higher acceleration value. On tighter tracks it can be a negative in corners, but on many with throttle control you get much more effective acceleration and can power over steer your way through wide corners.

 

[Kishkuman]

I'm gonna give these a try as the LSD I feel is the last piece of the tuning tools I need to get my head around. I'm no expert by any ones standard but I like to tune cars and it seems to go ok (some of the time) but the LSD has me completely flummoxed (most of the thine)

 

[SS_1182]

I usually run somewhere around 15/45/30, and he said that my setup is too "loose". Lol. I just set it up so that it doesn't spin out on corner exit, it doesn't lunge around under braking, and so that it doesn't do the slip n' grip on wide corners.

 

[itstheDRE4M]

I have a friend who is a beast online, very fast, very clean. He wins probably 75% of the races he's in. Somebody asked him about his LSD settings last night and he said that he runs 60/60/30 for anything 400hp or more, and 50/50/20 for 300hp range. He says it won't slow you down, and well he's pretty darned fast so I can't really tell him otherwise when he's walking all over everyone else. Really makes me wonder about the tuning in this game sometimes. Guy is a legit driver.


Thoughts?

Put 60/60/30 on a FGT and you take it around the track.

Then half those settings into 30/30/15 and you tell me what you think is better.

Absolutely 100% BET MY LIFE, your 30/30/15 handles way better.

 

[Motor City Hami]

Those look pretty high to me, but hey, if it works for him. He may be doing other things to get more front grip to offset his LSD settings? Plus, ask if that is an online or offline setting? I am just beginning to experiment with online tuning.

 

[SS_1182]

He only does offline unless he's grinding for cars.

 

[BlueShift]

1-Do he uses driving aids ? If he use SR, this is irrelevant. If he use TCS, he could have better times.

2-Wheel or DS3 ? With a wheel you have a more precise control over your cars, so you benefit from high LSD setup with more ease than a DS3

3-A high LSD is the cherry on top of a setup cake :
This makes the car oversteering a lot, but it takes a lot of skill to control an oversteering car. High LSD : speed in curves, Low LSD : control.

If the whole suspension/aero setup is great, this is a goal when tuning LSD.
And also maybe he tunes his gearbox before a race and you don't.

Now, online, if you want to easily beat him, try 10 laps on any fast track, for exemple High Speed Ring. Oversteering car use a lot of tires, he will have to stop a few times more than you.

 

[Sail IC]

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[Paulie]

I think his LSD settings are whack personally, every car is different but those settings will slow someone down in 99.9% of cars.

 

[budious]

I don't think he given you his true setting. I will certainly try, but I don't it will work at all. Should give tremendous understear. Maybe he has another part of the tune giving overstear (like ridehight) and the combo of the two turns out fast, but I doubt it.

Well if you're referring to the high initial then it would be problematic on tighter courses, but since OP didn't mention the tracks I'm assuming the likes of High Speed Ring, Indy, and Daytona because that value would work (how well is debatable) on those tracks.

 

[Starfirebird]

Could be his driving style or it could be he is on to something.

I tuned up a Saleen S7 and could not get the sucker to hook up.I then made the LSD higher(i was in the 40's) and it started to drive instead of slide.

 

[SS_1182]

1-Do he uses driving aids ? If he use SR, this is irrelevant. If he use TCS, he could have better times.

2-Wheel or DS3 ? With a wheel you have a more precise control over your cars, so you benefit from high LSD setup with more ease than a DS3

3-A high LSD is the cherry on top of a setup cake :
This makes the car oversteering a lot, but it takes a lot of skill to control an oversteering car. High LSD : speed in curves, Low LSD : control.

If the whole suspension/aero setup is great, this is a goal when tuning LSD.
And also maybe he tunes his gearbox before a race and you don't.

Now, online, if you want to easily beat him, try 10 laps on any fast track, for exemple High Speed Ring. Oversteering car use a lot of tires, he will have to stop a few times more than you.

1. As far as I know he only uses ABS 1.

2. He uses a controller.



Also note that he always slams his ride height (which I disagree with through my own testing, limits suspension effectiveness), he also always uses a lot of positive toe for MR and FR (+.50 at least), and he usually runs around -4.0 front camber.


I don't like to set up any of my cars that way, but the guy is fast, plain and simple. He makes it work. I'm not saying he never gets beat. In certain weight and HP restrictions which the host might set up based around their best car it can still be really tough to win depending on your own car, etc.

High LSD : speed in curves, Low LSD : control.

I agree with the first part. I've been setting my LSD higher because on certain high speed corners the car will do what I call "slip and grip" if the LSD is low, and with a higher accel. and initial setting the car will handle those corners with more smoothness.



But I don't see how lower LSD gives you more control. The lower the initial, the more the car wants to lunge when you first come off the throttle, first hit the throttle, or first apply brakes. I used to run around 7/12/7, now I'm using 15/45/30 for this reason. The accel setting is the one I don't need to mess with a whole lot usually since I'm good on the throttle and I just don't happen to drive too many problematic oversteering cars. I've done a lot of testing. Curious to how other peoples' experiences relate to mine concerning these observations.

 

[budious]

But I don't see how lower LSD gives you more control. The lower the initial, the more the car wants to lunge when you first come off the throttle, first hit the throttle, or first apply brakes. I used to run around 7/12/7, now I'm using 15/45/30 for this reason. The accel setting is the one I don't need to mess with a whole lot usually since I'm good on the throttle and I just don't happen to drive too many problematic oversteering cars. I've done a lot of testing. Curious to how other peoples' experiences relate to mine concerning these observations.

It also depends on the length of the wheelbase, shorter cars like an Elise can handle a lower initial smoothly through corners but a higher value can stabilize lengthier cars. Setting the brake too high will create a dip when braking hard into the apex of a corner, if you notice this bump the brake setting down gradually until you notice a slight nudge to the inside without killing too much momentum.

 

[Adrenaline]

Over the last week or so, of "online tuning" I've found higher LSD to help lap times. Offline though, I have the exact opposite results. The ZR1 comes to mind.

 

[daveyules]

Higher LSD settings stabilize a vehicle, allowing a driver to more easily corner at its limit, but for a driver who wants more neutral handling, these sort of extreme LSD settings are a detriment. My average LSD settings look as follows for a RWD car with ~500HP.

Torque: 8
Accel:13
Decel: 5

I increase the Torque because I know I want to both increase the Accel and Decel a few points equally. I also know that my Accel has to be substantially stronger than my Decel so I increase it as I see fit.

These sort of settings allow complete control over trail-braking and power oversteer, while maximizing forward propulsion.

In my upcoming revision of my tuning guide I explain in depth all of the variables and algorithms I use to reach these sort of results.

Cheers