Wheel Advice - Choosing between T300 and G29 - including a PollPS4

[Yellowbeard]

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1. It takes a few minutes to switch from sequential to H-shift mode (including unscrewing stuff and replacing the plate), which is a bit annoying. I think most of us leave our shifter in the preferred mode, rather than regularly switching over.
2. The sequential mode is OK, but not as awesome as the H-shift mode because the spring construction doesn't have quite the same physical impact as the lovely 7-speed clunk. Which is why mine is always left in H-mode and I either use paddles or H-mode, not sequential shifter.

I want to be able to drive with whichever type of shift system the car actually has in real life ..... although being a massive BTCC fan my preferred method is the sequential shifter
You make it sound as if it actually takes quite a while to change it over but in reality it's only two or three minutes of fiddling to do ...... I just need to get a mounting point made on my left hand side and lower to get the H pattern to sit where it would feel natural, I'm quite happy where I have it mounted to the right hand side of the wheel in sequential mode as it pretty much matches where the shifter on my DFGT is.

 

[Spatt]

So I came to this thread wanting to get some advice and here it is.. save some money up and buy a thrustmaster t300 rs with pro pedals and the h shifter.. then enjoy.

Bit gutted that the pedals it comes with will have to stay in the box though

 

[Yellowbeard]

There's no need to rush in and buy it all at once, the wheel has really good paddle shifters, and the standard pedals are fine, you just learn to judge how far you're pressing the brake pedal rather than feeling it, so I'd start with the basic wheel then add the extras when finances are available

 

[FuzzyFassbender]

So it's now clear why Logitech didn't do anything to make there current wheels compatible for the new consoles, they want the Logitech crowd to dish out the cash for their new wheel. I'm not a Logitech guy, but if I was I wouldn't be following their plan.

 

[Spatt]

what he said

 

[TheDabbinDave]

If your current car doesn't have AWD, antilock brakes, 4 doors and those things are desirable, you will buy a new car that has those features.

 

[FuzzyFassbender]

If your current car doesn't have AWD, antilock brakes, 4 doors and those things are desirable, you will buy a new car that has those features.

Many already have a car with the same features as the new model, it's just that the manufacturer of same brand doesn't allow the features of their previous models to work on the new roads

 

[thegt500]

Seeing as we've gone to analogies, I've got a 10 year old Seat Leon. Would I buy the new model if it has exactly the same spec and has the same 10 year old technology as mine, for slightly more than the original list price ?
On, and then find out I need to pay extra to have a manual shift gearbox !!

 

[TheDabbinDave]

Seeing as we've gone to analogies, I've got a 10 year old Seat Leon. Would I buy the new model if it has exactly the same spec and has the same 10 year old technology as mine, for slightly more than the original list price ?
On, and then find out I need to pay extra to have a manual shift gearbox !!

Except the new one has a new body style, built in dash cam, sat nav, power seats, power moon roof, cruise, iDrive (yeah I know it's BMW), and brakes that don't feel like dog poop, but only the drive train has been carried over.

 

[Pillo-san]

I like car analogies, because the car have not changed that much in about hundred years.. So in that sense you have been buying the same stuff over and over and over again, and I guess Logitech think it is only natural to release the same thing all over again as it is so common in other businesses.


Anyway, where is my flying car, it is 2015 already, dammit

 

[amazed]

Anyway, where is my flying car, it is 2015 already, dammit

Where's my HOVERBOARD.....

 

[Darragh]

Where's my HOVERBOARD.....

Lexus VGT coming right up!

 

[gigio79]

I'd just order a T300 and wait a few months. Hell, you could get a T100 to bridge the gap and get rid of it when the T300 becomes available again, and it will cost exactly the same (initially) as a G29...

You can buy the wheel at Thrustmaster shop site, they will delivery in few days. About the difference between T300 and G29 I can't say because I did not test logitech, I had G27 for 3 years and was perfect, I only bought T300 because logitech did not support PS4. I am happy about T300 but I had to buy T3PA pedals set, the one by default is ridicolous.

 

[adstomko]

If one sold one now (they seem to be almost out of stock in Europe), how much would could you receive for a second hand T300?
And by the way, it's a great wheel

 

[rocafella1978]

I have the G29 and it is wonderfully sturdy and just Logitech quality!
sad to think about T300 pedals being same as T100 just the fact that pedal faces are metal and T100 is plastic faces.
I changed from T100 to G29, owned G25 and G27 and my nephews still have those! and play with them!

 

[BrandonW77]

Here's my thoughts,why would anyone support a company,that doesn't support its customers? Could you imagine if Sony said,sorry we make the PS4 now, so the only controllers we now support is PS4 controllers. They work on PS3, so now you have to buy them.

This is not Logitech's fault and this hatred toward Logitech for the wheel issue is misplaced. Sony introduced a security protocol into the USB ports that rendered the G27 incompatible. Apparently this is as much a hardware problem as a software problem so a simple driver update can't fix it. The only way Logitech could "support it's customers" and make the older wheels work with the PS4 is for everyone to send their wheels back to Logitech and have the USB bits replaced with PS4 compatible bits. Obviously, that's not feasible or cost efficient. Yes, it's an unfortunate situation, but the complaints should be directed towards Sony, not Logitech.

On topic, I've had both wheels and the T300 is hands down the better product, by a mile. You're definitely getting your money's worth, with the G29 I don't believe it's worth the money. If it was priced around $250 it would be a no-brainer. I also second the notion that the T300 pedals are rubbish and I can't recommend highly enough to upgrade them as soon as you can. I have CSR Elite pedals and they are the single best piece I've added to my rig, both in terms of speed and immersion. The flimsy pedals that come with the T300 feel nothing like using a real brake pedal in a car, and they certainly have a negative impact on your lap times, consistency, and car control. If you're on PS4 then the CSR Elite's probably wouldn't be your best bet, but either of the upgraded Thrustmaster pedal sets would be nearly as good and greatly improve your enjoyment. 👍

 

[fatkrakr]

There is no hardware limitations on the PS4 stopping older Logitech wheels from working, its all software related and a driver update is all that's need for them to work. It could be done by Sony or it could be done by the game developers. We have already seen this with older TM and Fanatec wheels with Pcars and I think Driveclub. I do think Sony is requiring them to have a licensed PS4 wheel to do it though.

 

[mphile77]

Hey guys i own both wheels and here are some of my thoughts, hope this helps some of you?https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/the-new-g29-wheel.331857/

 

[BrandonW77]

It could be done by Sony or it could be done by the game developers.

I had read it actually also had something to do with some of the cabling used for the USB connectors (that may not have been accurate though). Regardless, to place all the blame on Logitech is still misplaced. Although I still think they deserve some frowns for basically using the same internals from the G27 and then charging a ridiculous price for it.

 

[killerjimbag]

This is not Logitech's fault and this hatred toward Logitech for the wheel issue is misplaced. Sony introduced a security protocol into the USB ports that rendered the G27 incompatible. Apparently this is as much a hardware problem as a software problem so a simple driver update can't fix it. The only way Logitech could "support it's customers" and make the older wheels work with the PS4 is for everyone to send their wheels back to Logitech and have the USB bits replaced with PS4 compatible bits. Obviously, that's not feasible or cost efficient. Yes, it's an unfortunate situation, but the complaints should be directed towards Sony, not Logitech.

On topic, I've had both wheels and the T300 is hands down the better product, by a mile. You're definitely getting your money's worth, with the G29 I don't believe it's worth the money. If it was priced around $250 it would be a no-brainer. I also second the notion that the T300 pedals are rubbish and I can't recommend highly enough to upgrade them as soon as you can. I have CSR Elite pedals and they are the single best piece I've added to my rig, both in terms of speed and immersion. The flimsy pedals that come with the T300 feel nothing like using a real brake pedal in a car, and they certainly have a negative impact on your lap times, consistency, and car control. If you're on PS4 then the CSR Elite's probably wouldn't be your best bet, but either of the upgraded Thrustmaster pedal sets would be nearly as good and greatly improve your enjoyment. 👍

Would you like to explain how Fanatic wheels work then?

 

[henderse]

Best wheel I had so far was the G25 and G27. Logitech customer's service was perfect. Only one little problem with the shifter's reverse and a potmeter of the G25, which was replaced by Logitech by better potmeters in the G27.

One and a half month ago, I bought the T300RS. Good wheel but not that much better than the G27. But the T300RS doesn't have that jerky, rough FFB feeling as the G-series and it has 1080° of rotation.
But ..... after having the T300RS for a little over a month I had to return it a couple of days ago. The USB connector was fautly. After two weeks the wheel started to make strange sounds but these sounds went away. In the end, before I returned the T300RS, I got stuck at 1050° (around 97 or was it 98.7% to the right and 2.2% to the left. I couldn't use the full 1080° anymore)

I don't trust Thrustmaster that much anymore. I still believe that the Logitech wheels are the most reliable wheels on the market.

If @Fanatec... wheels were reliable, I definitely would have bought a Fanatec a long time ago. I trust @Fanatec... even less than I trust thrustmaster.



So there are only three options left:

* Stop gaming (again )

* Build my own OSW.

* Get a G29 (less likely but never say never .....)


It does! Don't worry.

I just downloaded the G29 32 and 64-bit drivers for the pc.




Form the Logitech gaming site:

Finally someone defending Logitech. I'm sick of hearing people complain about the G27 which is still working years after they bought it, because the PS4 is not compatable.

Sure the Thrustmaster wheel is a little bigger, and utilizes newer technology, but when it breaks you are going to wish you had a G29. The G29 will last you until the PS5 comes out. If I remember correctly, I bought my Driving Force GT back in 2010. I just sold it to a kid for $50.00. That thing still works, and I put thousands of hours on it.

I have been a fan of Thrustmaster since the 1990s when I was big into flight simulators. Trust me, this is not the same company. I really wish it were. They make a really great wheel, but not a reliable one.

So for me the choice is clear. Logitech G29.

 

[TheBull]

There is no hardware limitations on the PS4 stopping older Logitech wheels from working, its all software related and a driver update is all that's need for them to work. It could be done by Sony or it could be done by the game developers. We have already seen this with older TM and Fanatec wheels with Pcars and I think Driveclub. I do think Sony is requiring them to have a licensed PS4 wheel to do it though.

Of course they can ,but why would Logitech or Sony do that ,They want you to buy the new wheels its the same reason they have not made any Playstations backwards compatiable with previous Playstations so you buy the new software!

Its all to do with Money You have to pay Sony for the licence to get your periphal to work on the PS4 ,but Logitech will not do that they nearly went out of business 3 years ago so they need you to buy the new wheel

 

[fatkrakr]

Finally someone defending Logitech. I'm sick of hearing people complain about the G27 which is still working years after they bought it, because the PS4 is not compatable.

Sure the Thrustmaster wheel is a little bigger, and utilizes newer technology, but when it breaks you are going to wish you had a G29. The G29 will last you until the PS5 comes out. If I remember correctly, I bought my Driving Force GT back in 2010. I just sold it to a kid for $50.00. That thing still works, and I put thousands of hours on it.

I have been a fan of Thrustmaster since the 1990s when I was big into flight simulators. Trust me, this is not the same company. I really wish it were. They make a really great wheel, but not a reliable one.

So for me the choice is clear. Logitech G29.

I still wouldn't completely rule out the older Logitech wheels working soon with the PS4 just as the other wheel makers older wheels do.

 

[fatkrakr]

Of course they can ,but why would Logitech or Sony do that ,They want you to buy the new wheels its the same reason they have not made any Playstations backwards compatiable with previous Playstations so you buy the new software!

Its all to do with Money You have to pay Sony for the licence to get your periphal to work on the PS4 ,but Logitech will not do that they nearly went out of business 3 years ago so they need you to buy the new wheel

Why did Sony allow TM and Fanatec do so? Why wouldn't they allow Logitech seeing as how they have paid the same licensing fees as the others?

 

[henderse]

Here's my thoughts,why would anyone support a company,that doesn't support its customers? Could you imagine if Sony said,sorry we make the PS4 now, so the only controllers we now support is PS4 controllers. They work on PS3, so now you have to buy them.

Sony did exactly that to every game that was made for the PS3. Logitech doesn't break. They would go out of business if you never had to buy a new controller. Of course Thrustmaster doesn't care. You are going to have to buy a new one as soon as the warranty runs out.

 

[TheBull]

Why did Sony allow TM and Fanatec do so? Why wouldn't they allow Logitech seeing as how they have paid the same licensing fees as the others?

Logitech have only paid licencing for the new wheel only or the G27 would work

 

[fatkrakr]

Logitech have only paid licencing for the new wheel only or the G27 would work

I am not sure how you can know that. Why would they (Logi) sign a licensing deal that would limit there wheels while the other manufactures older wheels will still work? That to me sounds like a bad business decision and probably would never get approval.

 

[TheBull]

I am not sure how you can know that. Why would they (Logi) sign a licensing deal that would limit there wheels while the other manufactures older wheels will still work? That to me sounds like a bad business decision and probably would never get approval.

Im sure i just stated above the Logitech needs you to buy the new wheel as they nearly went out of buisness 3 years ago

 

[BrandonW77]

Would you like to explain how Fanatic wheels work then?

Without knowing the specifics of how the internals and software for the two wheels are manufactured, or the details of licensing/permissions, it's all a bit pointless isn't it? All I know is what I've read, which is that the new USB security protocol introduced by Sony is what rendered the older Logitech wheels incompatible. Whether or not Logitech could easily fix this issue is pure speculation. It's quite possible that it's an easy fix and Logitech decided not to make the fix and just make a new wheel instead. It's also quite possible that the fix would have been difficult/expensive enough that it wasn't worth the time/money/effort. Perhaps Fanatec's software is more flexible and easier to change? Perhaps Logitech's software is so outdated that it can't easily be updated? None of us know the specifics, so making uninformed claims one way or another is a waste of time. Arguing about it with strangers in the internet is an even bigger waste of time.

The G29 will last you until the PS5 comes out. If I remember correctly, I bought my Driving Force GT back in 2010.

Logitech doesn't break.

My G27 lasted less than a year before the cheap, plastic optical encoder wheel cracked and rendered the wheel useless. This was certainly not an isolated case as I personally know three other people who have had the same issue and read about many, many, many more. As a result, I'll never purchase Logitech wheels again.

I am not sure how you can know that. Why would they (Logi) sign a licensing deal that would limit there wheels while the other manufactures older wheels will still work? That to me sounds like a bad business decision and probably would never get approval.

Clearly your tinfoil hat isn't working properly. Everyone is out to get us and screw us over as much as possible. It's the only logical reason. That, or "aliens".

 

[fatkrakr]

Im sure i just stated above the Logitech needs you to buy the new wheel as they nearly went out of buisness 3 years ago

And Fanatec or TM don't? If they don't sell new wheels wont they meet the same fate? I am not sure how TM and Fanatec can survive with there older wheels being supported, but its a death sentence for older Logitech wheels to be supported.