When is GT6 coming. PD has good reason to speed things up.

[bruciethebeast]

After going through the pain of installing over 10GBs worth of updates before even getting to play the damn game, i'd rather have PD go through their work as much as possible before releasing the next installment. That said, they did a wonderful job with Gran Turismo 5 after the fact.

 

[MSTER232]

Can I borrow your time machine so I can see this for myself?

👍

 

[Japan Hayai]

Ok, there are already rumors that the next Forza (Forza Motorsport 5) is under development. Here's the link.
http://www.forzaplanet.net/turn-10-beginning-work-on-forza-motorsport-5/

PD, you need to hurry up and release GT6.
2 Reasons:

1.) If FM5 comes out before GT6, then it will be an embarrassment to PD, because the Forza series has improved drastically in a short period of time, and soon PD is going to be overtaken by T10 in all aspects.

2.) The PS3 Super-Slim, (or whatever it's called) was just released so that at least means the PS3 still has life left in it. If PD can release GT6 ASAP on it, we would still get a decent amount of game time before PS4 comes out. Also most of us can't afford to get a new console on release just for a GT game, so keep it on PS3.

So PD needs to do everything to get GT6 released as soon as possible without it being a disappointment, otherwise they will be humiliated and lose a lot of fans to T10, Microsoft and the Forza Series. Hire more people of it means getting the job done quicker, GT6 could be the make or break game for the future of Gran Turismo.

I'm sorry but i think I will have to disagree with you by a long shot, The longer GT6 takes the more refined and featurefull game they will represent, forza and T10 were never a competition to PD , I think there was an interview when gt5 was in production and Kaz was asked what they think about T10 , they said they could care less about them

 

[Chrunch Houston]

“Yes. You won't have to wait as long as you did for GT5. GT5 was basically the creation of a whole new operating system, and developing GT6 will be like adding new applications that run on that new operating system.”

I just think that words goes with the wind...no more no less...too much talk and no news at all...pure "bla bla" and speculation guys.

Sit on your chairs...play the game or play other games and relax. Time goes by and the future is coming...slowly but it comes...

P.S: I must admit that i love to read all this debates. lol

Those are Kazunori Yamauchi's words. I know much of what he says is ambiguous. But there is absolutely nothing ambiguous about that statement.

GT5 operating system = PS3 operating system for GT

 

[jabofu]

I'm sorry but i think I will have to disagree with you by a long shot, The longer GT6 takes the more refined and featurefull game they will represent, forza and T10 were never a competition to PD , I think there was an interview when gt5 was in production and Kaz was asked what they think about T10 , they said they could care less about them

Thats why GT5 was so refined and perfect...

I think that Forza Motorsport became more than a little competitor to the game. And dont forget other big racing titles that are coming this and next year.

That PD didnt cared about Forza is not true. I even remember that some developers of PD had a presentation, like other press media, with Forza Motorsport 3 (or 4). But it is more the japanese way of thinking. They are more like americans, who praise the things that are made in their own country and foreign products wont get praised as much.

 

[eran0004]

PD, you need to hurry up and release GT6.
2 Reasons:

1.) If FM5 comes out before GT6, then it will be an embarrassment to PD, because the Forza series has improved drastically in a short period of time, and soon PD is going to be overtaken by T10 in all aspects.

Okay, so why is it embarrassing for PD that someone else does a good job?

2.) The PS3 Super-Slim, (or whatever it's called) was just released so that at least means the PS3 still has life left in it. If PD can release GT6 ASAP on it, we would still get a decent amount of game time before PS4 comes out. Also most of us can't afford to get a new console on release just for a GT game, so keep it on PS3.

So with that logic, we would have got even more game time if GT6 was released last year. Why wasn't it?? Also, PD and Sony does not think like this: "We have a new console coming. Let's not release any games for it, people will not afford to buy it. Let's release all games on the old console instead."

So PD needs to do everything to get GT6 released as soon as possible without it being a disappointment, otherwise they will be humiliated and lose a lot of fans to T10, Microsoft and the Forza Series. Hire more people of it means getting the job done quicker, GT6 could be the make or break game for the future of Gran Turismo.

I think GT has a strong enough legacy to be able to stand on its own, regardless of when GT6 is released. A bad release can break a title, but that's always true for all games and is no reason to speed things up. If people want to get an xbox and play some Forza then what is the problem?

“Yes. You won't have to wait as long as you did for GT5. GT5 was basically the creation of a whole new operating system, and developing GT6 will be like adding new applications that run on that new operating system.”

Those are Kazunori Yamauchi's words. I know much of what he says is ambiguous. But there is absolutely nothing ambiguous about that statement.

GT5 operating system = PS3 operating system for GT

Actually, the quote does not refer to the PS3. What he means is that they started GT5 from scratch. Previous games had been based on earlier titles (except for GT1 of course...). When they started the work on GT5, initially they tried to build it on GT4, but realised that it would not be good enough, so they wiped the board and started over from scratch. So what he means is that GT6 will be based on GT5, but that doesn't mean it's a PS3 title.

 

[Scaff]

When they started the work on GT5, initially they tried to build it on GT4, but realised that it would not be good enough, so they wiped the board and started over from scratch.

Not quite true. While they started over with large amounts of the code they certainly didn't start from scratch with all the assets, the standard cars and tracks are clear evidence of that.

So what he means is that GT6 will be based on GT5, but that doesn't mean it's a PS3 title.

100% Correct.

Right now we have no idea if GT6 will be a PS3 or PS4 title, anyone posting in either direction is speculating and would do well to remember that opinion =/= fact.

 

[eran0004]

Not quite true. While they started over with large amounts of the code they certainly didn't start from scratch with all the assets, the standard cars and tracks are clear evidence of that.

To be fair, tracks and cars are not part of the "operating system" that Kaz referred to.

 

[Scaff]

To be fair, tracks and cars are not part of the "operating system" that Kaz referred to.

I was more referring to your comment about wiping the board and started over from scratch than Kaz's; I am still however not convinced that GT5 code was built 100% from the ground up (no matter what PD claim).

 

[deep_sky]

If people want to get an xbox and play some Forza then what is the problem?

Not that you're invoking such an argument, but when people just say "well go away and play Forza then!", that attitude doesn't help anybody. Sony want GT to be as big as possible, and telling people to go away and help fund the competition isn't what Sony want to hear.

GT has a solid legacy at the moment, but any more releases like GT5 and it won't stay solid for very long. But after the reaction to GT5, I'm confident (sorta) that PD have learned from mistakes, and that GT6 will be a much stronger product.

 

[ProjectVRD]

Is this thread for real? While Forza games have improved on each other it is still a long way behind GT5 as far as realism is concerned. And despite the favourable reviews that Forza got, it still didn't prove to be as successful as GT5 was. In fact, didn't GT5 sell more in two weeks than what Forza 4 sold to date?

I personally want GT6 to be a PS4 game and for there to be many cars on the largest tracks like the Nurburgring, because the real 24 hour race has close to 200 cars. I would like to think a GT6 game on the next playstation might be able to simulate 100 cars even if some of those are still not given the premium treatment because afterall... I cannot see the view from their seats while I am driving my car and I looking at the track more than car infront and behind me.

If I want realism, I tend to play GT5... if I want a more arcade style I play Forza, and if I want a full on arcade style I will play any of the many others already available. A 2013 or 2014 release will not stop me from buying GT6, I doubt it would stop many others who like the series neither.

 

[Scaff]

Is this thread for real? While Forza games have improved on each other it is still a long way behind GT5 as far as realism is concerned. And despite the favourable reviews that Forza got, it still didn't prove to be as successful as GT5 was. In fact, didn't GT5 sell more in two weeks than what Forza 4 sold to date?

If I want realism, I tend to play GT5... if I want a more arcade style I play Forza, and if I want a full on arcade style I will play any of the many others already available. A 2013 or 2014 release will not stop me from buying GT6, I doubt it would stop many others who like the series neither.

A highly debatable point and one for which we already have a thread, keep the GT vs FM discussions to it please.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=226995
and
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=209534

I personally want GT6 to be a PS4 game and for there to be many cars on the largest tracks like the Nurburgring, because the real 24 hour race has close to 200 cars. I would like to think a GT6 game on the next playstation might be able to simulate 100 cars even if some of those are still not given the premium treatment because afterall... I cannot see the view from their seats while I am driving my car and I looking at the track more than car infront and behind me.

I think that if GT6 once again has a mixture of standard and premium its going to turn quite a few more off the series.

 

[KBRacing2488]

I dont think they should even make a ps4. Its not like the graphics can get that much better. unless they can build in a tv to the system of have its own built-in wifi, i think they should stick with just updating the ps3. same with gt5.

 

[Samus]

Want to re-iterate, or iterate depending on your interpretation, my opinions are simply supported by the facts I reference, they are not facts within them selves, others have claimed me to state things as facts, I have not, so I don't see myself having broken the AUP, not without other users here misinterpreting my ideas as likely outcomes of the situation.

No one knows anything about GT6 100% for sure, when it comes to which console it will be released on, so I'm suggesting it will be PS4 because of A,B,C as in my previous posts, others are suggesting PS3, mostly it seems because it'll be cheaper, so that's their opinion, I'm stating mine.

Far out, how many times people, GT6 = PS4, end of.

That's a very matter of fact way of giving an opinion.

 

[ProjectVRD]

A highly debatable point and one for which we already have a thread, keep the GT vs FM discussions to it please.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=226995
and
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=209534



I think that if GT6 once again has a mixture of standard and premium its going to turn quite a few more off the series.

I agree fully it is debatable (personal opinion), but I apologise if it appears off topic, I had to give a reason for my view in relation to this thread.

But if more people will be turned off by the prospect of some standard cars then they may well be disappointed come GT6 because I doubt they will have all the cars Premium by GT6's release. It takes them so long to do each one, at the same time they might be disappointed to see a reduction of cars so the game only has premium models. It could be a lose/lose situation for PD.

 

[Scaff]

I agree fully it is debatable (personal opinion), but I apologise if it appears off topic, I had to give a reason for my view in relation to this thread.

But if more people will be turned off by the prospect of some standard cars then they may well be disappointed come GT6 because I doubt they will have all the cars Premium by GT6's release. It takes them so long to do each one, at the same time they might be disappointed to see a reduction of cars so the game only has premium models. It could be a lose/lose situation for PD.

GT3 managed quite well with a reduction in car count in comparison to the previous title so if the entire package as a whole is solid then I don't see the reason to chase car count beyond vanity.

I would much rather see a consistent package with major improvements in the physics engine that another inconsistent package (which is in the series still thankfully unique to GT5).

 

[another_jakhole]

I'm sorry but i think I will have to disagree with you by a long shot, The longer GT6 takes the more refined and featurefull game they will represent, forza and T10 were never a competition to PD , I think there was an interview when gt5 was in production and Kaz was asked what they think about T10 , they said they could care less about them

But when Kaz says this:

“Yes. You won't have to wait as long as you did for GT5. GT5 was basically the creation of a whole new operating system, and developing GT6 will be like adding new applications that run on that new operating system.”

Thats why GT5 was so refined and perfect...

I think that Forza Motorsport became more than a little competitor to the game. And dont forget other big racing titles that are coming this and next year.

That PD didnt cared about Forza is not true. I even remember that some developers of PD had a presentation, like other press media, with Forza Motorsport 3 (or 4). But it is more the japanese way of thinking. They are more like americans, who praise the things that are made in their own country and foreign products wont get praised as much.

So why has GT5 been referred to by multiple people in this way? It's cheap. We're not saying GT5 was perfect, and it's a completely different story with GT6. It isn't going to take as long, plain and simple.

GT3 managed quite well with a reduction in car count in comparison to the previous title so if the entire package as a whole is solid then I don't see the reason to chase car count beyond vanity.

I would much rather see a consistent package with major improvements in the physics engine that another inconsistent package (which is in the series still thankfully unique to GT5).

They didn't think that one out. There are too many duplicates that aren't Skylines/Miatas. Whether or not they spent a lot of time on them, they get in the way.

 

[ProjectVRD]

GT3 managed quite well with a reduction in car count in comparison to the previous title so if the entire package as a whole is solid then I don't see the reason to chase car count beyond vanity.

I would much rather see a consistent package with major improvements in the physics engine that another inconsistent package (which is in the series still thankfully unique to GT5).

I would be happy to see double the number of Premiums... so long as they are varied across manufacturer and model. I think that would be about 400? But alas, I also want to see lots more racing cars getting the Premium treatment for the when the game nears the later stages... that might be stretching it a bit because I suppose not many survive to be in a state to go under the laser scanning etc. For instance, don't alot of independent teams auction off their cars?

 

[Tornado]

I'd say that is more common with manufacturers (who also scrap a lot of old racing cars). Independent teams tend to rebuild their cars on a per-season basis to fit changed regulations. That's why a lot of the, say, GT1/GT2-era JGTC cars would no longer be around for modeling except for the ones that Nissan and Honda stuck in their respective museums.

 

[ProjectVRD]

I'd say that is more common with manufacturers (who also scrap a lot of old racing cars). Independent teams tend to rebuild their cars on a per-season basis to fit changed regulations. That's why a lot of the, say, GT1/GT2-era JGTC cars would no longer be around for modeling except for the ones that Nissan and Honda stuck in their respective museums.

So no M3 Works from the Ring 24hr then? Unless ofcourse it is in their museum? That is a little depressing, I hope alot of them have museums because some of those cars are iconic.

 

[Scaff]

I would be happy to see double the number of Premiums... so long as they are varied across manufacturer and model. I think that would be about 400? But alas, I also want to see lots more racing cars getting the Premium treatment for the when the game nears the later stages... that might be stretching it a bit because I suppose not many survive to be in a state to go under the laser scanning etc. For instance, don't alot of independent teams auction off their cars?

Which would be a much more realistic target to shoot at, of course they could also actually invest in some more staff (or outsource - its not the end of the world as some have suggested in the past) as well.

I'd say that is more common with manufacturers (who also scrap a lot of old racing cars). Independent teams tend to rebuild their cars on a per-season basis to fit changed regulations. That's why a lot of the, say, GT1/GT2-era JGTC cars would no longer be around for modeling except for the ones that Nissan and Honda stuck in their respective museums.

You would be surprised what a good number of manufacturers have hidden away, I've been around the storage facilities for a good number of manufacturers and the stuff they have under dust sheets is quite surprising (BMW and Merc in particular).

 

[avens]

It isn't going to take as long, plain and simple.

Or is it? In one month and a half it's the 2 year anniversary. Kaz saying "won't take as long" sounds like 2 years to me.

Since it wasn't announced this year, because most big titles are way in advance and delays have to be considered (especially with PD), it is safe to say it won't be released in 2013.
Moreover, if in 2013 (which is 3 months from now) they do a one year before release announcement (like all the rest) then it will be in 2014, late 2014 considering delays and xmas season.

So 4 years total to release a sequel based on GT5 (as said by kaz), equivalent to 2 forzas (imagine the transition from forza2 to 4) and a good chunk of our lives, when GT6 was supposed to be launched "soon". Even 3 years isn't soon.

Not only that, those dates are based on GT6 coming for the ps3. If it is on the ps4 it should take more, and more, and more, and more, and more.


edit: Actually I was thinking that by late 2013 (not 2014) the forza series should have more than 800 unique "premiums" (right now it is about 650), more or less reaching the amount of standards+premiums that aren't duplicates/copypastas. PD needs to speed up badly.

 

[avens]

I'm sorry but i think I will have to disagree with you by a long shot, The longer GT6 takes the more refined and featurefull game they will represent, forza and T10 were never a competition to PD , I think there was an interview when gt5 was in production and Kaz was asked what they think about T10 , they said they could care less about them

Say that to lfs players.

Is this thread for real? While Forza games have improved on each other it is still a long way behind GT5 as far as realism is concerned. And despite the favourable reviews that Forza got, it still didn't prove to be as successful as GT5 was. In fact, didn't GT5 sell more in two weeks than what Forza 4 sold to date?

I personally want GT6 to be a PS4 game and for there to be many cars on the largest tracks like the Nurburgring, because the real 24 hour race has close to 200 cars. I would like to think a GT6 game on the next playstation might be able to simulate 100 cars even if some of those are still not given the premium treatment because afterall... I cannot see the view from their seats while I am driving my car and I looking at the track more than car infront and behind me.

If I want realism, I tend to play GT5... if I want a more arcade style I play Forza, and if I want a full on arcade style I will play any of the many others already available. A 2013 or 2014 release will not stop me from buying GT6, I doubt it would stop many others who like the series neither.

You know your opinion goes against everyone's on the industry right (continue it on the respective topics). Also there's absolutely no way GT6 will have 100 cars on track.

The thing with release dates is there are new consoles coming up, so the GT series is an aspect to consider if you want to buy whether the xbox720 (microsoft steamrolled sony this generation) or the ps4. Plus all other racing titles are getting better as we speak, so maybe the GT6 we are expecting will be called forza5. Right now dlc-wise forza4 is a lot more gran turismoish than gt5.

New to GTP? First console? Just got an interwebz connection?

 

[deep_sky]

^ Aye.

Not sure how much longer this "won't take as long" line can continue to be deployed. Even if GT6 turns up in late 2013 (which is still questionable) that's still three years' wait. Although to be fair, that would probably represent a fast turnaround time for Polyphony.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Pff, Kaz is just full of talk. GT6 will be here in 2020. They take to long to make anything with Gran Turismo...

 

[ProjectVRD]

You know your opinion goes against everyone's on the industry right (continue it on the respective topics). Also there's absolutely no way GT6 will have 100 cars on track.

The thing with release dates is there are new consoles coming up, so the GT series is an aspect to consider if you want to buy whether the xbox720 (microsoft steamrolled sony this generation) or the ps4. Plus all other racing titles are getting better as we speak, so maybe the GT6 we are expecting will be called forza5. Right now dlc-wise forza4 is a lot more gran turismoish than gt5.

New to GTP? First console? Just got an interwebz connection?

GT5 feels GT to me, the game has been as much about physics as it has about graphics. Everybody agree's that GT5 has the physics and the graphics, although some argue certain other racing games has the environmental detail that GT5 lacks (they specifically relate to tree's and landscapes which is probably true, but the GT5 city tracks definitely excel past what the other console racing games have shown so far).

I am not sure of we can continue talking about this here, the mods would have jurisdiction on that and if they say no, I would be happy to continue talking in the link they provided previously.

 

[avens]

Since you say that everybody agrees that GT5>forza4 in physics then please link one decent review or from a known site (as we know those tend to be different) that says GT5's physics are more true to reality than Forza4's.

I know it is off topic and all, but just one and it stops.

 

[Alex p.]

I dont think they should even make a ps4. Its not like the graphics can get that much better. unless they can build in a tv to the system of have its own built-in wifi, i think they should stick with just updating the ps3. same with gt5.

I keep reading these kind of comments from time to time and I really wonder who types them. This is beyond silly. Yeah we don't need better technology...alright. Do you know how many times more powerful a computer would have to be to represent a sort of "perfect" (with perfect I mean near real life physics, sound, damage model and car models of up to 10 Million polys or more) Gran Turismo at 1080P @ 60 frames? I would guess somewhere between 500 and 1000 times, and that's probably an optimistic guess.

So how can a PS4, with the guessed power of 10-20 PS3's, be more than enough?

 

[Scaff]

Everybody agree's that GT5 has the physics

No not everyone would agree at all. While GT5 made steps forward over previous titles in the series, it still has along way to go in terms of physics (all of which can be identified without mentioning any other titles). Not limited to but mainly:

• Tyre physics
• Suspension modeling
• Aero

All three of these areas need significant work by PD and currently lag well behind what would be expected of a sim in this generation, hell in terms of suspension it lags behind what existed in two PS2 titles.

 

[Tornado]

Effects of weight transfer/weight distribution is pretty poor in GT5 too, but that might slot under suspension modeling.