When is GT6 coming. PD has good reason to speed things up.

[ironman44321]

Guys...Forza and GT are on different consoles...different target markets, different appeals. Not only that, but FM4 isn't really what you would call a huge success for Turn 10. FM4 is way behind where 3 was at the same point in it's life.

If anything, Turn 10 needs to figure out how to convince people that 5 isn't just going to be a slightly tweeked version of the previous game (which was the main complaint for 4 and probably cost them alot of sales).

 

[DriftMissle]

By this reasoning, GT5 should've been by far the best game in the series. And yet...

I guess we just have to wait and see.

A guess at most, but the point I'd be more interested in: why would GT6 have to be the last?

It doesn't have to be, he stated that they have to hurry up with GT6 before FM5 comes out or it will be an embarrassment. I know GT5 took time, and didnt turn out great, and we also don't know for sure how great GT6 will be, but again, I guess we'll just have to wait until it's released.

As someone who'd much rather prefer GT6 on PS3, even I'm questioning how likely that is these days. The only fact about which console the next GT will end up on? There's no concrete answer.

You're right on that, to get a right-on answer, we'd have to know when the release date of the PS4 and GT6 would be.

*Sorry for my mistakes in my first reply, I did quick and little research. I agree with you on these points.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Guys...Forza and GT are on different consoles...different target markets, different appeals.

I don't see why they can't be compared.

Not only that, but FM4 isn't really what you would call a huge success for Turn 10. FM4 is way behind where 3 was at the same point in it's life.

If anything, Turn 10 needs to figure out how to convince people that 5 isn't just going to be a slightly tweeked version of the previous game (which was the main complaint for 4 and probably cost them alot of sales).

Similar can be said about PD in regard to making sure GT6 has features that are now common in racing games these days, like a livery editor. Also, making sure GT6 works in a way that makes sense (paint chips anyone?), and the fact GT5 was below par in some areas compared to previous GT games.

 

[Conza]

Exactly.

There is lots of evidence that GT6 will be a PS3 game.

Sony continues to maintain that the PS3 will have a ten year life span.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...ife-cycle.html

Sorry, this point is mute, (also your link is broken, but I've read evidence that the statement 'PS3 10 year life cycle' is true elsewhere), the continuation for support of a console for 10 years (eg. 2006-2016), means we're in 2013 now (give or take a few months), PD develop GT6 within 3 years, lets assume 2 years, then GT6 is on the PS3 for 1 whole year before its axed, and we're also assuming that the entire time of the life cycle cannot overlap with the PS4. I don't think so.

When asked if there would be a GT6 Kaz said this:

“Yes. You won't have to wait as long as you did for GT5. GT5 was basically the creation of a whole new operating system, and developing GT6 will be like adding new applications that run on that new operating system.”

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20091103/SEMA/911039983

I would actually interpret that as 'we're keeping the GT5 engine for GT6, but with the presumed power of the PS4, we'll be able to add better textures, AI, and unlock the full potential of the physics engine within the GT5 game already.'. I wouldn't hold out too much hope that we're a hop skip and a jump away from GT6, just because they're implying it'll maintain the same engine, look at the engine too, its struggling under the current limited hardware, go ahead and play a 2 player race, and have one player go into the pits, you know what you'll experience? LAG. It's a good engine, but its clearly being held back by the old PS3 system.

GT6 is based on GT5 which is a PS3 game. It will run on the GT5 system like kaz said. It will have enough tracks to make your hat fall off and have lots of new apps.

Don't see any references to this, but, would love for most of that to be true, oh, except have it on the PS4, not the PS3.

I believe one of those new applications is the Toyota 86 data logger which they have already said will be released in 2013.

...For GT5 on the PS3, since Data Logger is already contained within this game, no need to wait for GT6 to use it, it's there just add this utility to a pre-existing feature.

To have a real world auto manufacturer team up with a game developer is a big deal.

Actually they've been doing it for donkey's years, all you need to do is look back at Ferrari and EA, Porsche and EA, many japanese manufactuers and GTs 1-5, I'm sure there are many more examples then the top of my head.

I doubt very seriously that this is simply going to be an update for a 3 year old video game.

The evidence to date shows that for a 2 year old game in a few months, they'll simply be adding to a pre-existing feature of that game, because GT6 has barely begun development...

No this is going to be a selling point for a new video game, one that will be released in 2013.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=7392927
https://www.gtplanet.net/real-world-d...rismo-in-2013/

GT7 will come out on the PS4 and they will have to start from scratch just like they did with GT5.

Just think about your overall position. GT5 comes out in 2010, they support it well for 12-18 months, move on to develop GT6, and hey presto it's here for 2013, with new cars, blah blah, and the PS3 will continue to live on for 3 more years without any PS4, in which time PD will have moved onto GT7 at some point.

I'm sorry, but to me, and many others on here, none of your theories make any sense.

The PS3 is old, they've already had to nerf certain things they could've done with GT5 because of the limitations and difficulty programing the PS3-1, and don't believe me, just go into the game and race at, idk, Eiger and take a look at the flat people and obstacles they used to avoid overloading the PS3's system.

Not to mention, the PS2 is technically still going! I mean it might've truely been overlapping for a year or two, but its stayed in the market for 6 years after the PS3 was released! there's no reason why the PS4 couldn't be released next year, and then GT6 comes a few years after that, or maybe they postpone the PS4 in order for GT6 to be ready, for the PS4.

Except for having the buy a PS4, I can't see why anyone would want a GT6 PS3 game, if they keep updating GT5 that should keep us all going until GT6 comes, and we'll be getting a current game if GT6 is released on a PS4, we won't be if we receive it for the PS3.

-1 http://news.cnet.com/sony-ps3-is-hard-to-develop-for-on-purpose/

-2 http://www.technologytell.com/gamin...e-sony-says-systems-life-cycle-will-continue/

 

[AmericanStig]

Haha. Very true. Nothing new for PD.

As far as GT6 on the PS3; it has a great base of console owners, that's for sure. The new slim PS3 doesn't hurt, either. More users = more potential for profit.

GT is one of the, if not THE biggest franchise that the Playstation has going for it, they know people will buy it up either way, so why not use GT's power and influence to push new systems? It only makes sense from a business standpoint.

 

[CorvetteConquer]

GT is the one of the, if not THE biggest franchise that the Playstation has going for it, they know people will buy it up either way, so why not use GT's power and influence to push new systems? It only makes sense from a business standpoint.

Yea, it can go both ways.

But with new hardware = longer wait. GT5 is an example of that.

The system is already there. Just need to add apps to it.

You don't need MOAR POWER to make a better game.

 

[counter345]

Yea, it can go both ways.

But with new hardware = longer wait. GT5 is an example of that.

The system is already there. Just need to add apps to it.

You don't need MOAR POWER to make a better game.

However, it has been said that the PS3's lack of RAM does hinder GT5's performance-based opportunities. I can't remember who it was, but apparently part of the sound problem for cars was that the limited RAM only allowed for a certain amount of samples to be used.

Nonetheless, a lot of the problems, such as lack of content (which in my opinion, is the biggest one of all) does not require a platform change to fix.

 

[Samus]

apparently part of the sound problem for cars was that the limited RAM only allowed for a certain amount of samples to be used..

Complete baloney. The problem is squarely with the samples they recorded, not how many of them they can use.

 

[avens]

However, it has been said that the PS3's lack of RAM does hinder GT5's performance-based opportunities. I can't remember who it was, but apparently part of the sound problem for cars was that the limited RAM only allowed for a certain amount of samples to be used.

Nonetheless, a lot of the problems, such as lack of content (which in my opinion, is the biggest one of all) does not require a platform change to fix.

Obviously lots of features weren't included because of PS3's problems, but at this rate GT6 will compete against forza6 and GT7 against forza10.

 

[PAPPACLART]

I don't think PD rushed GT5 they had plenty of time, just looks like that they have problems with multitasking.

 

[avens]

I don't think PD rushed GT5 they had plenty of time, just looks like that they have problems with multitasking.

Or traveling around the world instead of putting pressure on employees and do some necessary lay offs.

Most GT5 flaws are upper management based. For example the game truly feels like Kaz never played it before release.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

For example the game truly feels like Kaz never played it before release.

Speaking of which, someone needs to make Kaz play through GT 1-4 so he can know what made his games so much fun. Looking at GT5 makes me wonder if the man even remembers his older games.

 

[sumbrownkid]

With the shortcomings of GT5, PD is in no position to rush GT6 really. And all this talk of PS4 is still just talk, nothing concrete. Why develop a game for a system in which the specs aren't even finalized yet? Better for PD to scrounge up as many sales as possible on a proven platform than on one that isn't even in production yet.

 

[GTP_Gearhead]

^ That's it, maximize the profits.

The only information I really care about is how many employees they currently have on the books. Not the PR, HR, or marketing folks. How many actual coders, testers, graphics artists etc.
Are they running around the clock?
Has Sony given them a firm deadline this round?

I'm reading here 150 people, where'd that number come from?

 

[Conza]

Far out, how many times people, GT6 = PS4, end of. On an unrelated note, PD actually have approximately 110* employees, I think I said 150 in an earlier post. Likewise Turn 10 has 300**

There's no explanation why in 2012/13, a console brought out in 2006, to be axed in 2015, could possibly have such a large scale game developed as GT6, its nonsense, GT5 was released in basically 2011, and we're basically 2013 now, so if GT6 was released, tomorrow, it'd have as much time on the PS3 before the PS4, as GT5 has had till now.

And who the hell wants that? We'd have a GT5 clone, developed in no time at all, with hardly any of the problems fixed, or new cars added, or better graphics or physics or gameplay, you wouldn't have a new game, you'd have GT5 in new clothes.

There's only one reason people would want GT6 on a PS3, its so you wouldn't have to buy a PS4, and frankly, there's no reasonable explanation for Sony to say 'gee, you know what? We're happy to remove that incentive from the PS4, because we're just so confident those consoles will sell themselves anyway, no need for a GT6 for a console release.'

If you look at the likely development time of GT6 from right now, and the release of PS4, it wouldn't be impossible for them to time it so that they are both released at the same time.

Also, its not as though Sony release the PS4 and go 'SURPRISE! Here you go PD, here it is, now that the whole world knows what it is and knows the specs, you may commence development of your games, hooray!' They'll be an array of prototypes, later ones extremely close if not virtually identical to the launch product, as there would've been for the PS1 and PS2 before they were launched, to allow developers for their launch titles something to develop with.

Who knows, the PS4 prototypes may already exist. But bottomline, it is just futile to expect or even hope GT6 could possibly be released on the PS3, doing so would be utter madness for Sony on a long term scale.

*http://www.polyphony.co.jp/english/

**http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_10_Studios

 

[IceMan PJN]

Ok, there are already rumors that the next Forza (Forza Motorsport 5) is under development. Here's the link.
http://www.forzaplanet.net/turn-10-beginning-work-on-forza-motorsport-5/

PD, you need to hurry up and release GT6.
2 Reasons:

1.) If FM5 comes out before GT6, then it will be an embarrassment to PD, because the Forza series has improved drastically in a short period of time, and soon PD is going to be overtaken by T10 in all aspects.

So PD needs to do everything to get GT6 released as soon as possible without it being a disappointment, otherwise they will be humiliated and lose a lot of fans to T10, Microsoft and the Forza Series. Hire more people of it means getting the job done quicker, GT6 could be the make or break game for the future of Gran Turismo.

We don't need rumors about the next Forza game being in the works because there's always a new one in the works. On the day that FM5 releases, FM6 will already be in the works. It just goes without saying.

FM5 releasing before GT6 won't be any more shameful than two Forza games releasing for the current generation by the time GT5 finally joined the generation. Within a year of GT5's release the generation received its third full Forza title. FM5 releasing before GT6 is just expected and it wouldn't be any more disgraceful than FM2 and FM3 both releasing before PD pinched off a loaf of GT5.

GT has already pretty much been overtaken by FM already. With a bit more tweaking with the physics, GT won't even be able to hold that over FM.

As for losing fans to Forza, I've suspected this process has already been happening. In general, people seem tired of waiting longer for PD to turn out less product, when Turn 10 is producing the highest-rated, most highly-acclaimed racing games of the generation at a fairly rapid pace.

Yes, but the sooner we get GT6, the less polished it will probably be. Look what happened when Sony rushed PD for GT5.

It's more of the same old excuses from the fans.

PD wasn't rushed. They're just too incompetent and slow. If the various developers were represented as marathon runners, PD is the guy walking while everyone else is running. Telling PD to pick up the pace and at least attempt a jog isn't "rushing" them. It's not as though PD are running faster than everyone else and yet still being told to up the pace. They're just being asked to stop dragging their feet. If they can't pull it off, perhaps the staff needs replaced with folks who can get the job done in a reasonable amount of time.

It's not like they have excuses for staffing issues, either. GT still sells more copies than other racing games, including Forza, so they have more revenue per title than the other guys.

 

[sumbrownkid]

There's only one reason people would want GT6 on a PS3, its so you wouldn't have to buy a PS4, and frankly, there's no reasonable explanation for Sony to say 'gee, you know what? We're happy to remove that incentive from the PS4, because we're just so confident those consoles will sell themselves anyway, no need for a GT6 for a console release.

Sony has plenty of other incentives besides GT, don't worry about that.

Why is it futile to hope for a new GT on a system in which PD knows way more about and are more adept at handling?

And we all know all Gran Turismos are rehashes of old stuff mixed in with the new. They've doing it since 1997.

 

[Conza]

Why is it futile? Go ahead and read my post once more, look at the years in that first paragraph, that spells futile for you.

There's also no need for GT6 to contain anything more than the same engine from GT5, possibly some of the same premium cars, re-re-done, they could still look quite nice.

What you're proposing is that GT6 will be here, yesterday, have w, x, y and z included, and magic will happen - that makes no sense.

And yes! Do worry about the PS4, forget this make or break non-sense for PD and GT6, the PS4 could be their Dreamcast, the whole company has been behaving stupidly for years and years, and if the PS4 doesn't sell like hot cakes, they may pull out entirely, so why would they risk releasing GT6 on the PS3 when it'd be such a great marketing tool to sell the PS4 anyway? We all know the GT series is the highest selling PS game series.

 

[sumbrownkid]

Where did I say GT6 is going to be here today, tomorrow, and yesterday?

All I said is that it was coming out for the PS3. Why? Because again: They know the system more, and to maximize profits. Sony themselves are still pushing out new first party titles for this gen. So why should PD stop?

Besides that, it's only recently in the PS3's history that Sony isn't making a loss on each console made. Why jump ship onto an entirely new system which will be beyond any doubt produces losses for each console made? Especially when Sony is having real trouble keeping the books in the black? The only real reason for the super slim was so Sony can trim the fat wherever they can to please the accounting department.

If anything, what you just posted doesn't make it seem futile on my part, but more of desperation on your end for a PS4.

Until PD and Sony come out and say anything concrete about the Playstation 4, then the assumption of GT6 being on PS3 is the safer bet.

 

[Youngun]

I think making GT6 for the PS3 would be a bad idea. The truth is (weather we like it or not) the GT series and the Forza series are competitors. We know Forza 5 is in development and we know GT6 is in development.

With Forza Horizon coming out this year, we can assume that Forza 5 will come out sometime next year or early 2014, which means it will probably launch on the Xbox 720. No matter how good GT6 is, there is no way it can compete with a next generation Forza.

As for the price of the PS4, I think it will be reasonable. The blu-ray tech has gotten much cheaper, also Sony is rumored to switch from the cell tech to a more simple quad core chip. If Sony and PD worked together they could launch the PS4 like this:

PS4 Base model: PS4, Power cord, Dual Shock, HDMI, Standard video cables, USB charger, 125gb solid state HD. $349.99

PS4 Premium model: Everything from base model plus, 250gb solid state HD, media remote, blu ray movie, copy of GT6. $399.99

WOW 250gb SSD for £250 plus a PS4 to go with it.........i WISH

 

[deep_sky]

Why is it futile to hope for a new GT on a system in which PD knows way more about and are more adept at handling?

PD is adept at handling PS3? Judging by GT5 that's not the case. Whereas if Sony are moving to x86 with PS4, PD's engineers will be able to get up to speed and get to grips with PS4 much quicker. PD also got up and running on PS3 pretty quickly, so I don't know if this recode/rebuild argument that gets played to discredit a PS4 release holds much water; less one when the console in question is/should going to be much friendlier for devs.

Sony themselves are still pushing out new first party titles for this gen. So why should PD stop?

Because PD, through either chaotic mismanagement or just in their nature, take years to do anything, and have never proved themselves to be capable of sticking to release timetable in the way that say Naughty Dog or Sony Santa Monica have. If you're asking PD to make a GT PS3 title now, the chances are that puts GT PS4 further away, and, while saying Sony might pull out is probably going too far, PS4 is going to need all the help it can get right out the gate, as Conza says.

 

[sumbrownkid]

The release of a PS4 GT is going to be far away regardless of anything.

And PD is more adept at the PS3 because the PS4 doesn't exist yet (as far as we know). On paper the system may seem easier to code for, but reality also likes to drop water on paper from time to time.

That said, I'd welcome a GT6 on PS4, but with the way PD operates and with the number of people to work with, I won't expect it to be a launch title. Perhaps a GT7 or GT7 prologue for the PS4.

Sony needs more help getting to the gate to begin with, let alone get out of it. A new system costs a lot of money to produce, especially the first few models. Trust me, I'd love it on the PS4 also, but I'm not gonna hold my breath.

 

[Samus]

Far out, how many times people, GT6 = PS4, end of.

No, not end of unless you have some proof. You really should read the AUP about posting misleading information.

 

[finnracer]

Or traveling around the world instead of putting pressure on employees and do some necessary lay offs.

Most GT5 flaws are upper management based. For example the game truly feels like Kaz never played it before release.

Don't make assumptions like that when you have no idea who is responsible for what inside Sony/PD, I very much doubt that any staff would be laid off and while GT5 had many problems which are often highlighted on here it is very naive and disrespectful to suggest people should lose their jobs because a game didn't meet your expectations.

I do however agree that Kaz should re-play GT4 for some inspiration on how to do a great GT mode!

 

[avens]

Don't make assumptions like that when you have no idea who is responsible for what inside Sony/PD, I very much doubt that any staff would be laid off and while GT5 had many problems which are often highlighted on here it is very naive and disrespectful to suggest people should lose their jobs because a game didn't meet your expectations.

I do however agree that Kaz should re-play GT4 for some inspiration on how to do a great GT mode!

If you were in charge and with your money on the line, would you keep...
... the sound department, especially after the HSV?
... the guy who did the menus, menu system and GT mode?

No matter if you pay them more or if the game is released for the ps4, those employees and their job will still suck. We (or rather someone obsessed) will see on GT6's credits who is still on PD and who isn't.


If GT6 sucks (in comparison to the ever improving upcoming racing games) or sells badly, would you...
... lay off Kaz after 10 years of failures? (date assuming 2014 release)
... be tempted to steal some of turn10/simbin/iracing/kunos/slightlymad upper management and/or employees?

The second question can be applied to GT6's development too but putting it in perspective means hiring turn10's(etc.) sound department and replacing the current one, hence lay offs unless Sony finds a pot of gold to pay them all.

 

[daus26]

Here we go again. We have to give this whole PS3/PS4 thing a break guys. We're going in circles and I see the same argument over and over again. Granted, I don't have the right to tell anybody what to do, but we just have to reflect within our self for a moment. NONE of us know anything, so it's a bit pointless in arguing this thing in circles. If you want to keep talking about it, there are already plenty of other threads for it.

On second thoughts, go ahead, but if we're going to keep discussing this, at least don't state things like it's fact. Other than that, argue on!

And yes! Do worry about the PS4, forget this make or break non-sense for PD and GT6, the PS4 could be their Dreamcast, the whole company has been behaving stupidly for years and years, and if the PS4 doesn't sell like hot cakes, they may pull out entirely, so why would they risk releasing GT6 on the PS3 when it'd be such a great marketing tool to sell the PS4 anyway? We all know the GT series is the highest selling PS game series.

You always say things like you're a business/marketing, doctorates degree, analysts guy or something and that things will be a guarantee fail if things doesn't go what you foresee. You're saying it like a GT6 launch title is Sony's lifeline for the PS4. It's not. If Gran Turismo is the only game for it, then maybe.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

I’m not going to waste my time going point by point with your post like you did with mine.
My original post stands on it’s own with out any help.

But when Kaz says this:

“Yes. You won't have to wait as long as you did for GT5. GT5 was basically the creation of a whole new operating system, and developing GT6 will be like adding new applications that run on that new operating system.”

You ramble on with this?

I would actually interpret that as 'we're keeping the GT5 engine for GT6, but with the presumed power of the PS4, we'll be able to add better textures, AI, and unlock the full potential of the physics engine within the GT5 game already.'. I wouldn't hold out too much hope that we're a hop skip and a jump away from GT6, just because they're implying it'll maintain the same engine, look at the engine too, its struggling under the current limited hardware, go ahead and play a 2 player race, and have one player go into the pits, you know what you'll experience? LAG. It's a good engine, but its clearly being held back by the old PS3 system.

Do you even understand what Kaz is saying here?

Following your logic, why did PD create a new engine for GT5 when they could have just used the presumed power of the PS3, to be able to add better textures, AI, and unlock the full potential of the physics engine within the GT4 game already.

And don’t even get me started on your bizarre answer to the announced 2013 release of the Toyota 86 data logger.

...For GT5 on the PS3, since Data Logger is already contained within this game, no need to wait for GT6 to use it, it's there just add this utility to a pre-existing feature.

You just leave me at a loss for words man.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I would actually interpret that as 'we're keeping the GT5 engine for GT6, but with the presumed power of the PS4, we'll be able to add better textures, AI, and unlock the full potential of the physics engine within the GT5 game already.'.

That's great, but it's still just an interpretation.

I wouldn't hold out too much hope that we're a hop skip and a jump away from GT6, just because they're implying it'll maintain the same engine, look at the engine too, its struggling under the current limited hardware, go ahead and play a 2 player race, and have one player go into the pits, you know what you'll experience? LAG. It's a good engine, but its clearly being held back by the old PS3 system.

You say this as if a theoretical PS4 wouldn't also have a performance ceiling Kaz would conveniently use as his excuse for "not yet making his dream a full reality" or something. Every PS3 game has to make do with the same system specs, it's always about compromise, and that'll be just as true on future systems as it is now.

The evidence to date shows that for a 2 year old game in a few months, they'll simply be adding to a pre-existing feature of that game, because GT6 has barely begun development...

"Work on GT6 has already begun" - from prior to GT5's release!

or maybe they postpone the PS4 in order for GT6 to be ready, for the PS4.

Post-pone an entire system to hinge its release date on a game from a company infamous for their inability to hit release dates?

Except for having the buy a PS4, I can't see why anyone would want a GT6 PS3 game, if they keep updating GT5 that should keep us all going until GT6 comes, and we'll be getting a current game if GT6 is released on a PS4, we won't be if we receive it for the PS3.

Speaking personally, a lot of my issues with GT5 don't require new hardware. Considering GT5 has a good chunk of content that was far from "current" in 2010, I'm not sure what the concern is with that last sentence.

Far out, how many times people, GT6 = PS4, end of.

Cool, provide that source now. Otherwise, I remind you of the AUP:

You will not knowingly post any material that is false, misleading, or inaccurate.

Opinion =/= fact.

There's no explanation why in 2012/13, a console brought out in 2006, to be axed in 2015, could possibly have such a large scale game developed as GT6, its nonsense, GT5 was released in basically 2011, and we're basically 2013 now, so if GT6 was released, tomorrow, it'd have as much time on the PS3 before the PS4, as GT5 has had till now.

GT2 had 3 months on PS1 before PS2 arrived in Japan (the rest of the world saw a gap of about 10 months). GT4 had less than 2 years between it and PS3's launch.

Also, GTA V, MGS: Ground Zeroes, and The Last Of Us show there's still plenty of life left in the PS3.

And who the hell wants that? We'd have a GT5 clone, developed in no time at all, with hardly any of the problems fixed, or new cars added, or better graphics or physics or gameplay, you wouldn't have a new game, you'd have GT5 in new clothes.

Right. Because GT4 and GT2 were practically the same games as GT3 and GT1, respectively.

There's only one reason people would want GT6 on a PS3, its so you wouldn't have to buy a PS4, and frankly, there's no reasonable explanation for Sony to say 'gee, you know what? We're happy to remove that incentive from the PS4, because we're just so confident those consoles will sell themselves anyway, no need for a GT6 for a console release.'

Considering GT's never been a console-release game, I'd be surprised if it became one now, especially since that would place even more pressure on PD to actually hit a release date.

Plus, as mentioned above, a lot of my issues with GT5 (and therefore, my personal wish list for GT6) don't really need new hardware. Just a fundamental rethink of the basic make-up of the game; something that can't really be achieved with updates and DLC for GT5.

If you look at the likely development time of GT6 from right now, and the release of PS4, it wouldn't be impossible for them to time it so that they are both released at the same time.

It wouldn't be impossible for a lot of things.

 

[Conza]

Where did I say GT6 is going to be here today, tomorrow, and yesterday?

All I said is that it was coming out for the PS3. Why? Because again: They know the system more, and to maximize profits. Sony themselves are still pushing out new first party titles for this gen. So why should PD stop?

Besides that, it's only recently in the PS3's history that Sony isn't making a loss on each console made. Why jump ship onto an entirely new system which will be beyond any doubt produces losses for each console made? Especially when Sony is having real trouble keeping the books in the black? The only real reason for the super slim was so Sony can trim the fat wherever they can to please the accounting department.

If anything, what you just posted doesn't make it seem futile on my part, but more of desperation on your end for a PS4.

Until PD and Sony come out and say anything concrete about the Playstation 4, then the assumption of GT6 being on PS3 is the safer bet.

No, not end of unless you have some proof. You really should read the AUP about posting misleading information.

Here we go again. We have to give this whole PS3/PS4 thing a break guys. We're going in circles and I see the same argument over and over again. Granted, I don't have the right to tell anybody what to do, but we just have to reflect within our self for a moment. NONE of us know anything, so it's a bit pointless in arguing this thing in circles. If you want to keep talking about it, there are already plenty of other threads for it.

On second thoughts, go ahead, but if we're going to keep discussing this, at least don't state things like it's fact. Other than that, argue on!



You always say things like you're a business/marketing, doctorates degree, analysts guy or something and that things will be a guarantee fail if things doesn't go what you foresee. You're saying it like a GT6 launch title is Sony's lifeline for the PS4. It's not. If Gran Turismo is the only game for it, then maybe.

That's great, but it's still just an interpretation.



You say this as if a theoretical PS4 wouldn't also have a performance ceiling Kaz would conveniently use as his excuse for "not yet making his dream a full reality" or something. Every PS3 game has to make do with the same system specs, it's always about compromise, and that'll be just as true on future systems as it is now.



"Work on GT6 has already begun" - from prior to GT5's release!



Post-pone an entire system to hinge its release date on a game from a company infamous for their inability to hit release dates?





Speaking personally, a lot of my issues with GT5 don't require new hardware. Considering GT5 has a good chunk of content that was far from "current" in 2010, I'm not sure what the concern is with that last sentence.



Cool, provide that source now. Otherwise, I remind you of the AUP:



Opinion =/= fact.



GT2 had 3 months on PS1 before PS2 arrived in Japan (the rest of the world saw a gap of about 10 months). GT4 had less than 2 years between it and PS3's launch.

Also, GTA V, MGS: Ground Zeroes, and The Last Of Us show there's still plenty of life left in the PS3.



Right. Because GT4 and GT2 were practically the same games as GT3 and GT1, respectively.



Considering GT's never been a console-release game, I'd be surprised if it became one now, especially since that would place even more pressure on PD to actually hit a release date.

Plus, as mentioned above, a lot of my issues with GT5 (and therefore, my personal wish list for GT6) don't really need new hardware. Just a fundamental rethink of the basic make-up of the game; something that can't really be achieved with updates and DLC for GT5.



It wouldn't be impossible for a lot of things.

Want to re-iterate, or iterate depending on your interpretation, my opinions are simply supported by the facts I reference, they are not facts within them selves, others have claimed me to state things as facts, I have not, so I don't see myself having broken the AUP, not without other users here misinterpreting my ideas as likely outcomes of the situation.

No one knows anything about GT6 100% for sure, when it comes to which console it will be released on, so I'm suggesting it will be PS4 because of A,B,C as in my previous posts, others are suggesting PS3, mostly it seems because it'll be cheaper, so that's their opinion, I'm stating mine.

 

[Foxiol]

“Yes. You won't have to wait as long as you did for GT5. GT5 was basically the creation of a whole new operating system, and developing GT6 will be like adding new applications that run on that new operating system.”

I just think that words goes with the wind...no more no less...too much talk and no news at all...pure "bla bla" and speculation guys.

Sit on your chairs...play the game or play other games and relax. Time goes by and the future is coming...slowly but it comes...

P.S: I must admit that i love to read all this debates. lol