Where Did GT2 Fail?

[mustang_4_ever]

i forgot about that game lol, one thing were gt3 and 4 fial......
ai (all gtseries)
and pikes peak, loved tha rallllyyyyyyyy

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I beg to differ with Parnelli Bone...after five years of racing in GT2, i am still a half a second over on most of the licence tests...in Analog mode. sorry, but you "one quarter geniuses" are a few steps ahead of me...a first generation gamer (i grew up on 2 bit games from Atari)

the general prob what GT2 was the rush to production

Actually, I was referring to the fact that smelly socks thinks the Supra is 'unusable', yet he can control a 4WD GTO or Skyline. Most people (not all of them, but most of them) who have trouble with high-powered RWD cars are still using the D pad for gas & brakes, unaware of the fact that analog gives you a lot more control.

 

[Jmac279]

I still use the D-Pad and buttons for steering, gas, and brakes

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Strange topic this one; did GT2 fail? Where?? GT2 has only one weak point; the lousy PS1 grahics..

What about the garage thief bug? The fact that you can't qualify like you can in all the other Gran Turismo series? The car wash that barely does anything? The long long list of typos, cars that can't get upgrades and cars like the Acura Integra GS-R that are messed up in the gear box? I could go on...

 

[TMM]

I still use the D-Pad and buttons for steering, gas, and brakes

So do I, and in GT I can drive all the cars. I won't boast and say that I can drive them well, but well enough to beat the AI and win races. I haven't checked my lap and race times against some of the published times as I suspect that I am well behind the best.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I still use the D-Pad and buttons for steering, gas, and brakes

Hey, all I'm saying is that if it works for you, go for it! Personally I like variable controls and when I first tried to drive a Viper in GT1 using the Dpad I was like “this game sucks” because I had no idea that you could change from digital to analog in the options menu. When I switched my controls, all the sudden I went from zero to hero!

 

[HYBRIDLVR]

I don't know why this thread exist, GT2 was awesome IMO!!!

 

[Cosmic]

I can't even think about were GT2 failed.
It's the 2nd best GT game ever (after GT4).

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I don't know why this thread exist, GT2 was awesome IMO!!!

Come on, bro, stop the nonsense! Nobody here is saying GT2 isn't awesome, cuz it is. But it definitely had issues. Go read the early bulletin boards at Gran Turismo Forum when the game was first released and people were posting their first impressions of it...I've read about all the folks who were disappointed with the game, unsure of why they couldn't achieve 100%, why all the sudden all their cars got wiped out from their garage, where's the dragstrip? Stuff like that. It's all there! And then there's thread after thread of racers who wanted an answer from Sony and wanted fixed copies of their game...There was so much negative gossip about the game that some folks would specifically start new threads in a desperate attempt to say nice things about it!

 

[HYBRIDLVR]

Great, That's your opinion! Everyone also new that the 400MM and 1000MM would wipe out your garage if you saved the game and they still did it anyway, There the one's with problems, I have no problem with GT2 other than it being out dated like this thread!

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Great, That's your opinion! Everyone also new that the 400MM and 1000MM would wipe out your garage if you saved the game and they still did it anyway, There the one's with problems, I have no problem with GT2 other than it being out dated like this thread!

This thread is only outdated because we're so familiar with the game, but what about all those who are still buying copies of GT2 (I was a newbie last year, don't forget) and losing all their cars? It's my opinion and thousands of others too that the game is flawed! People didn't know that the machine tests were at fault when the game was released. It took about a month for some gaming genius who knew about the way GT2 is coded to figure out the thief thing.

 

[HYBRIDLVR]

What's a thief thing? And your not familiar with this game as you think you are! You don't know half of it's real features, Did you know there a up down trick to adjusting the synthesizer races far beyond hard? This thread says how did GT2 fail, I'm saying it didn't fail!

 

[Parnelli Bone]

What's a thief thing? And your not familiar with this game as you think you are! You don't know half of it's real features, Did you know there a up down trick to adjusting the synthesizer races far beyond hard? This thread says how did GT2 fail, I'm saying it didn't fail!

The Garage Thief...where you lose all your cars, you never heard of that? Oh lord help us.

I admit I never heard of the up down trick you speak of, but then I don't own a gameshark. Hybrid cars and tricks are your specialty; I'm looking at the game from the point of view of someone who just bought it and doesn't know what's in store.

Put yourself in the shoes of this person: you buy the game on a whim from a used game shop, you only have a $20 budget or something, and you don't have a gameshark or knowledge of the game's inner workings. Okay, so little do you know that you've bought a version 1.0 copy of the game. You laugh at the various mispelled words, refuse to use the 5,000 credit carwash cuz it doesn't do anything. But one day you're racing and right in the middle of the race the game freezes! Or in between menus everything goes black! You take your game back to the game store and try to return it, but the clerk says there's nothing wrong it so you buy a newer version (greatest hits). Well, the new game doesn't freeze up on you, but after another week of playing all your cars one day vanish from your garage. Yes it's a videogame, but you're pissed! This wasn't supposed to happen!

A year ago I was this person, HYBRIDLVR. I got my game from Amazon.com instead of a 2nd had store, but the result was the same. It was only thru reading posts on this website that I know why GT2 has problems, and that's what they are: problems. The game as a whole didn't fail, but don't deny that it's not flawed!

 

[TMM]

The following is my opinon and I don't expect anybody to agree with it.

GT2 failed. It failed to deliver on the excitment that you got when playing GT, the gameplay is worse, the graphics are worse, there are bugs in the game, etc. All of this is well documented.

GT2 does have some good features, the amount of manufacturers and cars included, the number of tracks and well known exisiting race tracks. The specific car races, MR, open top etc. The fact that you can build hybrid cars with the use of a cheat cartridge, etc.

In my humble opinon, the failures out weigh the successes.

Please discuss.

 

[Sniffs]

if it was THAT much of a flop, would I still be playing mine 5 years after it's release, and gone through 20 different saves for it? I think not.

if you guys are that spoiled on XBox, Gamecube and PS2, that you can't stand a little pixilation...then you guys are younger than I thought.
it could be worse...they coulda used Tob Raider 1 style graphics

 

[Biased turkey]

The day I purchased Gt4, I sold my copy of Gt3 but guess what: I still have my copy of GT2.
I kept it because it has some exclusive cars TRD2000GT, Tom's MR2 ( you know, the one with a snorkel ), and most BTCC cars ( Nissan Sentra, Megane, Alfa, Mondeo etc... )
Plus almost all the cars can get a racing mod. There is some dirt track racing ( I won't even name that Rally racing ).
Yes there are some glitches , strange AI and maybe I was lucky not to have the vanishing garage problem.
So GT2 didn't fail, at least for me. And it fullfilled it's mission: I had some fun playing that game, the same way I had fun playing CMR2, and TOCA2. What else could I ask for.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Snifs, let me reiterate: I never said the game failed. As a whole, it's awesome. I'm still exploring it after an entire YEAR even tho GT3 and GT4 both await my greedy palms. I'm dedicating a good chunk of my free time towards making a ridiculous website that's mostly about GT2. All i said is that it has glaring problems, which can't be denied.

 

[Biased turkey]

Is there any statistics or sale figures of how many copies of GT1 were sold vs. Gt2 ( or even GT3 because I doubt GT3 will sell a lot more copies now that GT4 is out ) ?
Of course I never said that high sales figures = quality.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I did a search and found a website called http://www.gamegossip.com/pressrelease.php?id=12336 that has this to say about GT4 and the GT series as a whole, but it doesn't break down the sales figures for each game. This isn't the complete article (the complete one rambles on and on) Anyways:

Sony Computer Entertainment Europe announced today that first day sales of Gran Turismo 4 have broken the record for Playstation 2 in PAL territories. The single day sales have been impressive to say the least, shipping 3,182,535 units of the game. The game is also shipped with the new slimmer Playstation 2 model. In total so far, the Gran Turismo series has sold about 38 million units around the world.

"The reaction to Gran Turismo 4 from retailers across PAL territories has exceeded even our high expectations," said David Reeves, President, Sony Computer Entertainment Europe. "This Day One number reflects the popularity and broad appeal of the series – not only with seasoned GT buyers but with driving fans, motoring enthusiasts and casual gamers alike. We expect Gran Turismo 4 to become the "must-have" title for anyone who owns a PlayStation 2 or anyone thinking about purchasing one...

 

[smellysocks12]

One thing GT2 failed at was not being able to give BMW's new wheels... good they fixed that in GT4.

 

[gavrilo]

They should lock this thread. I'm not coming back. When was GT2 released? 2000? 1999?
This is the world of today not yesterday.

 

[TMM]

They should lock this thread. I'm not coming back. When was GT2 released? 2000? 1999?
This is the world of today not yesterday.

And... Whats your point?

 

[HYBRIDLVR]

I Think if we keep fussing about this issue, we can bump this thread up to 25 pages in no time, What do ya say?

 

[Sniffs]

Gavrillo...get over your "new or Nothing" attitude...somne of us have to wait untill a system drops down to "antique or collectable" age in order to AFFORD it...when the PS3 comes out, I can finally get a PS2.
and, btw...I've never had any problems putting off market wheels on anything.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

They should lock this thread. I'm not coming back. When was GT2 released? 2000? 1999?
This is the world of today not yesterday.

Huh? I don't remember you being here in the first place! No one's making you read posts here, are they? silly.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I Think if we keep fussing about this issue, we can bump this thread up to 25 pages in no time, What do ya say?

Ha ha, then we can force Gavrillo to read it all!

 

[JohnBM01]

The premise of this deal is "where did GT2 fail," and it's for those who actually think it has. So where did GT2 fail, if it did somewhere? Or DID it fail at all?

 

[TMM]

The premise of this deal is "where did GT2 fail," and it's for those who actually think it has. So where did GT2 fail, if it did somewhere? Or DID it fail at all?

It failed, but I still play it. I don't enjoy it as much as GT but there was a time when I got very frustrated with GT and stopped playing for a while. But I came back and now I'm happier than ever.

Posted earlier: -

The following is my opinon and I don't expect anybody to agree with it.

GT2 failed. It failed to deliver on the excitment that you got when playing GT, the gameplay is worse, the graphics are worse, there are bugs in the game, etc. All of this is well documented.

GT2 does have some good features, the amount of manufacturers and cars included, the number of tracks and well known exisiting race tracks. The specific car races, MR, open top etc. The fact that you can build hybrid cars with the use of a cheat cartridge, etc.

In my humble opinon, the failures out weigh the successes.

Please discuss.

 

[Hitandrun]

Most of you like me have said that GT1 had a certain 'feeling' and it was lost in GT2.

Its only because GT1 was the first of its kind. There was more in GT2 so there will be more faults or annoyances.

To me GT1 was very very easy and GT2 a little to hard.

I have GT3 (boring) and 4 and although im playing GT4 as much as possible I cant get any good feelings from the game - however I do accept it, coz a good thing cant last forever!

 

[TMM]

Most of you like me have said that GT1 had a certain 'feeling' and it was lost in GT2.

Its only because GT1 was the first of its kind. There was more in GT2 so there will be more faults or annoyances.

To me GT1 was very very easy and GT2 a little to hard.

I have GT3 (boring) and 4 and although im playing GT4 as much as possible I cant get any good feelings from the game - however I do accept it, coz a good thing cant last forever!

You found GT very very easy and GT2 a little too hard? I would think it was the other way round. The point about GT being the first of it's kind and so having a certain feeling that the other games following don't have is a fair point, but then other games have had a series which have improved the feeling rather than losing it.