White Privilege

[novcze]

funnily enough someone in this thread said that white privilege is neo-marxist construct, it actually looks like it is




btw. still waiting for that "solution" to "white" privilege which wouldn't look like genocide

 

[PocketZeven]

funnily enough someone in this thread said that white privilege is neo-marxist construct, it actually looks like it is




btw. still waiting for that "solution" to "white" privilege which wouldn't look like genocide

Why is the US always so devided in left-right, right-wrong, liberal-conservative, Bue-red in american politics it just seems much much harder to find a middle ground.

It seems that americans have grown up with the thought you are either for us or your the enemy. It often seems like 1v1, and you have to chose one or the other. Is this something that you are taught in school?

edit: added question.

 

[TenEightyOne]

funnily enough someone in this thread said that white privilege is neo-marxist construct, it actually looks like it is

Nope. Did you read any of the original works or is your argument based on a YouTube video that you couldn't be bothered to summarise?

btw. still waiting for that "solution" to "white" privilege which wouldn't look like genocide

Classily worded.

 

[Northstar]

Why is the US always so devided in left-right, right-wrong, liberal-conservative, Bue-red in american politics it just seems much much harder to find a middle ground.

It's really not as bad as it seems, most people are somewhere in the middle, but as with most things the loudest people (those on the extreme ends) get all the attention while those in the middle get drowned out. This has the very negative impact of third party candidates also getting lost in the shuffle which leads to people not even knowing they exist.

 

[PocketZeven]

It's really not as bad as it seems, most people are somewhere in the middle, but as with most things the loudest people (those on the extreme ends) get all the attention while those in the middle get drowned out. This has the very negative impact of third party candidates also getting lost in the shuffle which leads to people not even knowing they exist.

I fully understand that, but in politics you guys are pretty much screwed with only 2 choices. If you 're a moderate republican your only choice was Trump and on the opposite side you were stuck with Hillary.

It is probably discussed endlessly before but they should really have a budgetcap or governement budget for political campaigns. Get that money out of politics.

 

[Mr Tree]

funnily enough someone in this thread said that white privilege is neo-marxist construct, it actually looks like it is





btw. still waiting for that "solution" to "white" privilege which wouldn't look like genocide

What would you call neo-marxism? Because jordan peterson often uses this term interchangable with post modernism.
He then often goes on claiming marxists had to disguise their beliefs and started calling it post modernism (get out those tinfoil hats).

So this term currently loses all meaning if not explained what neo-marxism entails according to the user of the word.

And ouy of curriosity, what solution has been proposed by whom that would be white genocide? I don't seem to be familiar with this subject.

 

[PocketZeven]

What would you call neo-marxism? Because jordan peterson often uses this term interchangable with post modernism.
He then often goes on claiming marxists had to disguise their beliefs and started calling it post modernism (get out those tinfoil hats).

So this term currently loses all meaning if not explained what neo-marxism entails according to the user of the word.

And ouy of curriosity, what solution has been proposed by whom that would be white genocide? I don't seem to be familiar with this subject.

Why do people use marxism like its something bad?

 

[Danoff]

I fully understand that, but in politics you guys are pretty much screwed with only 2 choices.

Only if you think your vote only matters if you vote for the winner.

 

[Rallywagon]

Cause its communism, and historically, that has been bad?

 

[novcze]

What would you call neo-marxism?

I would go with this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Marxism.

"Neo-Marxism is a broad term encompasing twentieth-century approaches that amend or extend Marxism and Marxist theory,"

Nope. Did you read any of the original works or is your argument based on a YouTube video that you couldn't be bothered to summarise?

Is it an argument? I don't think so ... it's a video related to the subject and it describes how Frankfurt marxists influenced US universities.

 

[Mr Tree]

Cause its communism, and historically, that has been bad?

No people conflate it with communism.

Communism is derived from marxism that's not the same as communism is marxism.
Marxism is a philosophy communism is a way to govern a state based on a marxist philosophy which then lead to a system that's far from the outcome marxism hopes to achieve for instance due to a very corrupt government.

I would go with this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Marxism.

"Neo-Marxism is a broad term encompasing twentieth-century approaches that amend or extend Marxism and Marxist theory,"



Is it an argument? I don't think so ... it's a video related to the subject and it describes how Frankfurt marxists influenced US universities.

Thanks!

Also wondering about the white genocide claim. I haden't yet heard of it until now, where do I find this so I can read up on it?

 

[PocketZeven]

Cause its communism, and historically, that has been bad?

technically it isnt communism. Communism is a derivative. but badly executed. Modern communism almost always have a dictator. And it does not matter what political system is in place that never works out for the good.

Marx's ideas were idealist and not inherently evil. It was flawed ofcourse, but only because people are greedy and selfish. He did not take that enough into account.

Only if you think your vote only matters if you vote for the winner.

It is just flawed in the sence that if i am american and I want to pay less tax, stronger military but dont want a border wall, against a "muslim ban", family seperation of immigrants, fiercely agains white nationalism etc. you pretty much ******. It is the same prinicipal if you want universal healthcare but stronger borders. Heck if you are a lifelong republican and think Trump is unfit for office or you were a democrat and absolutely hated the clinton family. There just isnt enough compromise or a middle road. It often is one or the other.

 

[novcze]

No people conflate it with communism.

Communism is derived from marxism that's not the same as communism is marxism.
Marxism is a philosophy communism is a way to govern a state based on a marxist philosophy which then lead to a system that's far from the outcome marxism hopes to achieve for instance due to a very corrupt government.

communism is based on marxism and it failed because it ignores human nature

edit:

Marx's ideas were idealist and not inherently evil. It was flawed ofcourse, but only because people are greedy and selfish. He did not take that enough into account.

exactly, but it's beyond me why some westeners are so keen to repeat the same mistakes

 

[PocketZeven]

communism is based on marxism and it failed because it ignores human nature

In that logic capitalism is failing for the same reason.

 

[Mr Tree]

communism is based on marxism and it failed because it ignores human nature

I disagree in part with the statement about human nature.
But that communism is based on marxism is something I allready stated.

I'm sorry to ask again, where do I find info about the genocide thing.

 

[Danoff]

In that logic capitalism is failing for the same reason.

Heh... no. But it's not a discussion for this thread.

Marx's ideas were idealist and not inherently evil.

Heh... no. But it's not a discussion for this thread.

It is just flawed in the sence that if i am american and I want to pay less tax, stronger military but dont want a border wall, against a "muslim ban", family seperation of immigrants, fiercely agains white nationalism etc. you pretty much ******.

Libertarian Party.

 

[Mr Tree]

Heh... no. But it's not a discussion for this thread.



Heh... no. But it's not a discussion for this thread.

1) eh yeah. Some people are competetive, some are caring geuss who thinks capitalism is good and marxist ideologies will fall due ti hulan natute and vice versa?

 

[Danoff]

1) eh yeah. Some people are competetive, some are caring geuss who thinks capitalism is good and marxist ideologies will fall due ti hulan natute and vice versa?

Ok, lemme guess. People who understand economics, government, and human rights think Marxism is evil and will fail. People who don't understand those things think capitalism doesn't take into account human nature. Did I win?

Capitalism can't ignore human nature, it is human nature. It's a description of human nature. It's not a system of economics so much as it is economics.

 

[PocketZeven]

Heh... no. But it's not a discussion for this thread.

We agree to disagree then.

Heh... no. But it's not a discussion for this thread.

Do some research and tell me about the evil parts in marx's theories

Libertarian Party.

That part is even farther from being moderate right/left. Isnt libertarian rather far right?

edit: right, not left

 

[Danoff]

That part is even farther from being moderate right/left. Isnt libertarian rather far left?

 

[PocketZeven]

Ok, lemme guess. People who understand economics, government, and human rights think Marxism is evil and will fail. People who don't understand those things think capitalism doesn't take into account human nature. Did I win?

Capitalism can't ignore human nature, it is human nature. It's a description of human nature. It's not a system of economics so much as it is economics.

That is your human nature. There are/were tribes in the past who had perfectly socialist-like societies.

I meant right not left. When I read the libertarian idealogy it seems rather very much right. We have a party here in the netherlands called the Forum for democracy who is exactly that and is seen as alternative right.

 

[Danoff]

That is your human nature. There are/were tribes in the past who had perfectly socialist-like societies.

Again, this is not the thread for it. And that's not a rebuttal (for reasons I don't want to explain in this thread).

 

[Mr Tree]

Ok, lemme guess. People who understand economics, government, and human rights think Marxism is evil and will fail. People who don't understand those things think capitalism doesn't take into account human nature. Did I win?

Capitalism can't ignore human nature, it is human nature. It's a description of human nature. It's not a system of economics so much as it is economics.

Argument from authority and 'because I said so'

You know, sounds like a nice discussion and doesn't look exactly the same as religious people argue.

I'm ok with you being correct but not when these are the arguments.

On top of that I consider parts of human nature to be evil. For starters blind competetiveness, the one thriving under capitalism.

And I'm not a marxist. I'm just not really fond of philosophies that overvalue the rights of an individual over that of the group. Overvalue being the key word, since I do belief in rights of individuals.

 

[Danoff]

Argument from authority and 'because I said so'

Did I claim to be an authority? Once again, this is not the thread for this discussion. If it seems like I'm trying not to have the discussion here, that's because I'm trying not to have the discussion here.

 

[PocketZeven]

Again, this is not the thread for it. And that's not a rebuttal (for reasons I don't want to explain in this thread).

The relevance is that socialism in the US is going to be a vital part of its society. I am trying to argue that marxism does not equal communism. Capitalism and socialism can coexist.

 

[Danoff]

The relevance is that socialism in the US is going to be a vital part of its society. I am trying to argue that marxism does not equal communism. Capitalism and socialism can coexist.

This thread is about white privilege.

 

[PocketZeven]

This thread is about white privilege.

Perhaps but @novcze made the connection between white privilege and Marxism.

funnily enough someone in this thread said that white privilege is neo-marxist construct, it actually looks like it is




btw. still waiting for that "solution" to "white" privilege which wouldn't look like genocide

 

[Danoff]

Perhaps but @novcze made the connection between white privilege and Marxism.

Great. Where's the connection with marxism, communism, and capitalism? And please don't tell me the connection is that neo-marxism contains the word "marxism".

Approx. 4:30 into that video

"They took marxism, divorced it from economics, and married it to culture".

 

[PocketZeven]

Great. Where's the connection with marxism, communism, and capitalism? And please don't tell me the connection is that neo-marxism contains the word "marxism".

Approx. 4:30 into that video

"They took marxism, divorced it from economics, and married it to culture".

I was trying to explain marxism isnt inherently bad. Marxism theory does not call for genocide. But I will stop talking about it.

 

[Danoff]

I was trying to explain marxism isnt inherently bad. Marxism theory does not call for genocide. But I will stop talking about it.

No need to stop talking about it. It's just not on topic in this thread. It would be on topic in another thread.