White Privilege

[TenEightyOne]

Yes - well who knows exactly what people mean when they call something "socialist", "social democracy" or "democratic socialist". To American conservatives any of those words is a red flag. In fact, as we have seen, many American conservatives even object to the use of the term "democracy" to describe the US.

Quite. And when taking a self-identified socialist, democratic government it's literally correct to refer to them as democratic socialists even though not all democratic socialists across the world agree on the nitty-gritty of the definition. For example some feel that Norway doesn't hold enough production to meet a true purist's definition. Tomaters tomatoes.

 

[Groundfish]

Hmm, look at Norway’s demographics.
I guess white privilege.
https://www.niche.com/places-to-live/norway-white-in/residents/

 

[TenEightyOne]

Hmm, look at Norway’s demographics.
I guess white privilege.
https://www.niche.com/places-to-live/norway-white-in/residents/

The most incredible thing about Norway on that map is how far from Norway it is. I is astonish.

 

[G.T.Ace]

Hmm, look at Norway’s demographics.
I guess white privilege.
https://www.niche.com/places-to-live/norway-white-in/residents/

 

[Groundfish]

Norway is not diverse. The USA is diverse.
Comparing govt there to USA is a poor comparison.
Look at Venezuela.
Maybe folks outside the USA are not aware of how poorly millennials in the USA think. Again it’s freedom privilege, they don’t have much to worry about.

 

[Rallywagon]

Hahaha, freedom privilege! I mean, I guess so when in comparison to other countries. I dont think any country is truly free though.
So whats the next random good thing we can try to shame by attaching privilege too?

 

[TenEightyOne]

So whats the next random good thing we can try to shame by attaching privilege too?

Particular generations of Supra?

 

[Rallywagon]

Particular generations of Supra?

Just to stay off topic a second. Toyota screwed the pooch and us rotards are definitely never getting another rx7. Had the Supra received glorious fanfare, which toyota could have done had they not rebadged a Z4, Mazda might have decided to compete in the market.

 

[G.T.Ace]

Norway is not diverse. The USA is diverse.
Comparing govt there to USA is a poor comparison.
Look at Venezuela.
Maybe folks outside the USA are not aware of how poorly millennials in the USA think. Again it’s freedom privilege, they don’t have much to worry about.

And what did you want to prove with your link?

I guess so when in comparison to other countries.

The USA are most likely one of the least "free" western countries.

 

[Rallywagon]

And what did you want to prove with your link?


The USA are most likely one of the least "free" western countries.

Maybe, I mean, we arent at the "tax them to watch tv" level of oppression yet, so there is that.

 

[Biggles]

Hmm, look at Norway’s demographics.
I guess white privilege.
https://www.niche.com/places-to-live/norway-white-in/residents/

Not surprising, as it's located in White county.

 

[UKMikey]

Maybe, I mean, we arent at the "tax them to watch tv" level of oppression yet, so there is that.

Because watching adverts on TV is a basic human right?

 

[Rallywagon]

Because watching adverts on TV is a basic human right?

Depends... some would argue that a business is a human and thus freedom of speech could be applied... who is the government to tell a Samsung tv when it can show you an advert for coca cola or not.

 

[UKMikey]

Depends... some would argue that a business is a human and thus freedom of speech could be applied... who is the government to tell a Samsung tv when it can show you an advert for coca cola or not.

Some people may think corporations are people but I'm happy paying for content like this BBC "documentary" (even if it may count as a commercial anyway).

Language warning: Prince Harry (thanks @Ten)

 

[G.T.Ace]

I think this video brings up some valid points, which fit well here:

 

[Sander 001]

Norway is not diverse. The USA is diverse.
Comparing govt there to USA is a poor comparison.
Look at Venezuela.
Maybe folks outside the USA are not aware of how poorly millennials in the USA think. Again it’s freedom privilege, they don’t have much to worry about.

People always want to look to race as some catch all boogeyman. The problem with the US isn’t racial diversity, it’s economic diversity. You have the upper class grabbing more and more power, using religion and facebook feeds to buy votes, marginalizing more and more groups of people.

The plutocracy hasn’t stopped at non whites, it’s already decades into marginalizing the entire middle class.

 

[Biggles]

People always want to look to race as some catch all boogeyman. The problem with the US isn’t racial diversity, it’s economic diversity. You have the upper class grabbing more and more power, using religion and facebook feeds to buy votes, marginalizing more and more groups of people.

The plutocracy hasn’t stopped at non whites, it’s already decades into marginalizing the entire middle class.

You're right - here's a perfect example:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47557056

Turns out it's those with fame, wealth & privilege who are receiving the benefit of "affirmative action" ... because you can never be too rich, too thin ... or have too much privilege.

 

[PocketZeven]

You're right - here's a perfect example:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47557056

Turns out it's those with fame, wealth & privilege who are receiving the benefit of "affirmative action" ... because you can never be too rich, too thin ... or have too much privilege.

Exactly this is what happens without intervention and just let schools admit people, without oversight, on the basis of "merit".

 

[Danoff]

People always want to look to race as some catch all boogeyman. The problem with the US isn’t racial diversity, it’s economic diversity. You have the upper class grabbing more and more power, using religion and facebook feeds to buy votes, marginalizing more and more groups of people.

The plutocracy hasn’t stopped at non whites, it’s already decades into marginalizing the entire middle class.

Uh...

First of all, middle class warfare. Second of all, why not include the poor? "Middle class" is so exclusionary to the "lower class". What not say the 99%? Third... exactly how?

You're right - here's a perfect example:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47557056

Turns out it's those with fame, wealth & privilege who are receiving the benefit of "affirmative action" ... because you can never be too rich, too thin ... or have too much privilege.

Rarely... compared to actual affirmative action (what on earth does being "thin" have to do with it?).

Exactly this is what happens without intervention and just let schools admit people, without oversight, on the basis of "merit".

Unless the school is federally funded (and I think some of the schools implicated are), then there is no issue with the school admitting people on the basis of whatever.

 

[Biggles]

(what on earth does being "thin" have to do with it?).

Not up on your royal quotes I see, Danoff.

"You can never be too rich or too thin". Wallis Simpson - Duchess of Windsor The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations.

The words of a stupid & undeservedly privileged woman seemed very apropos in the context ...

Second of all, why not include the poor? "Middle class" is so exclusionary to the "lower class".

You're right: it's really the poor - black, white & every other color who are most disadvantaged in this process.

Unless the school is federally funded (and I think some of the schools implicated are), then there is no issue with the school admitting people on the basis of whatever.

It never fails to impress me how you jump in to defend the morally indefensible on the basis of "morality". It's probably the way the aristos of the ancien régime felt just before their heads were cut off by the guillotine. In case you hadn't noticed, it's not just "leftists' who have a problem with entrenched privilege, a lot of Trump voters were also pretty pissed off about it.

 

[Danoff]

Not up on your royal quotes I see, Danoff.

"You can never be too rich or too thin". Wallis Simpson - Duchess of Windsor The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations.

The words of a stupid & undeservedly privileged woman seemed very apropos in the context ...

Thanks for the information. As long as we're clear that the "privilege" of monarchies is not of the same nature as the "privilege" that we're talking about here... we can move on.

You're right: it's really the poor - black, white & every other color who are most disadvantaged in this process.

By disadvantaged you mean have the least money? That seems tautologically tautological.

It never fails to impress me how you jump in to defend the morally indefensible on the basis of "morality". It's probably the way the aristos of the ancien régime felt just before their heads were cut off by the guillotine. In case you hadn't noticed, it's not just "leftists' who have a problem with entrenched privilege, a lot of Trump voters were also pretty pissed off about it.

You wouldn't claim that it's morally indefensible for person to offer their house painting services to the highest bidder, and yet for some reason you think it is here. It never fails to impress me how quickly people are willing to set up arbitrary moral boundaries that they have no chance of defending.

Also, you should know by now that I have absolutely zero concern for how many people agree with me. Billions of people can be delusional.

 

[Biggles]

Thanks for the information. As long as we're clear that the "privilege" of monarchies is not of the same nature as the "privilege" that we're talking about here... we can move on.
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You'd have to explain how exactly you think it's different before we can move on.

 

[Danoff]

You'd have to explain how exactly you think it's different before we can move on.

Monarchies enjoy privilege by force of government.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Monarchies enjoy privilege by force of government.

Generally their social privilege is from the inheritance of vast wealth too.

 

[Danoff]

Generally their social privilege is from the inheritance of vast wealth too.

You're straining my knowledge of the modern powers and implementation of royalty within the UK. I looked up the person that @Biggles mentioned and it seems like that line was probably stated in the 1930s (not completely sure on that). My assumption is that British royalty is kept wealthy, and separately kept powerful, at least in part, via the British government. I'd be shocked to find out that's not the case today. I'd be even more shocked to find out that that's not the case when the quote originated.

 

[PocketZeven]

Unless the school is federally funded (and I think some of the schools implicated are), then there is no issue with the school admitting people on the basis of whatever.

It depends on how the school had set their admission requirements. If they anounced they admit on the basis of wealth and contribution I would agree. But I am sure this wasnt the case. Federally funded or not.

 

[Danoff]

It depends on how the school had set their admission requirements. If they anounced they admit on the basis of wealth and contribution I would agree. But I am sure this wasnt the case. Federally funded or not.

Why would that be the case? Do you think that it would constitute some sort of contract? Without consideration?

 

[PocketZeven]

Why would that be the case? Do you think that it would constitute some sort of contract? Without consideration?

I dont know how the schools are regulated in the US but even in other countries private schools also need to abide to rules.

 

[Danoff]

I dont know how the schools are regulated in the US but even in other countries private schools also need to abide to rules.

There are various certifications that you can get in the US. Universities may be "accredited" by local governments for example. Accreditation is voluntary though. There are big lists of non-accredited universities that one can download.

 

[PocketZeven]

There are various certifications that you can get in the US. Universities may be "accredited" by local governments for example. Accreditation is voluntary though. There are big lists of non-accredited universities that one can download.

Does accredition come with certain laws/rules of conduct?