Who is the genius at PD.......

[TT92]

I think most people feel the same, it's our passion for the GT series that moves us to speak out about it's short comings. After all, if we were apathetic towards the game we wouldn't even be on here talking about it, would we! That's why I make threads, make replies to threads, & even make memes; all in the hope that if we make enough noise PD will listen & start to inject some common sense/thoughtfulness into their design decisions.

True, make enough noise and perhaps someone will listen.

It is my hope that, just maybe, someone from inside PD will see this thread and may actually take the time to read it. Hence the attention grabbing title I chose ;-)

I know when I read this (and other forums) I skip over short threads and only quickly glance at them but then there are sometimes longish ones (like this) that become quite convoluted and interesting to read as they develop.

I do believe we have an excellent cross section of views here and it has not degenerated into a slanging match. I believe anyone reading this will pick up on the passion here as well as the abject disappointed of what the community is struggling with. Well here's hoping (fingers crossed).

 

[Squanto]

@GBO Possum - Maybe that does come across as being rude sometimes, especially to the Japanese ...

I know pride is deeply rooted in Japanese culture ... but so is pain and suffering ... I often find it such a contradiction ... when I see a Japanese corporate CEO cry on CNN when he made the wrong decisions for his company ... And then there is that other dark side too ... with pain ... masochism ... as shown in Manga ... self inflicted torture and stuff ... on what side of Japanese culture do you think Kaz feels at home ... May be he really doesn't want to be spoken to in such soft language .. may be he wants a point blank and honest opinion ... We do assume all Japanese use the same rules ... But I guess globalization makes us all more "Western" in the end ... or should I say democratic and liberal ? ... Hope I get my point across.

 

[VBR]

@Squanto - Good point. It's not always beneficial to assume that someone is stereotypically Japanese, even though they are Japanese. However, we know next to nothing about Kaz really, except for some weird insights from the occasional interview, & that documentary that was made recently. I thought he came across as a nice bloke in the doc, but that doesn't tell us much about how he reacts to constructive/negative criticism etc.

Seeing as there's a mix of different approaches on this forum, maybe something will grab his attention. 👍

 

[ptb]

If the game is so bad, then drive another game.
Its that simple.
Surely there are better things to do in life than whine about something you have no chance of changing.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

If the game is so bad, then drive another game.
Its that simple.
Surely there are better things to do in life than whine about something you have no chance of changing.

Are you going to catch up on lost time and post that in each thread critiquing GT?

 

[sosa]

Are you going to catch up on lost time and post that in each thread critiquing GT?

You can't blame him for being right.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

You can't blame him for being right.

Well that's if you don't know the definition of being subjective. I hope you do

 

[Johnnypenso]

If the game is so bad, then drive another game.
Its that simple.
Surely there are better things to do in life than whine about something you have no chance of changing.

Yes, because if you love the series you shouldn't critique it because you want it to be better, you should just quit and take up another game. Makes total sense. If everyone who had a gripes about the game left for other games, there wouldn't be very many people left and no Gran Turismo either.

 

[GBO Possum]

If the game is so bad, then drive another game.
Its that simple.
Surely there are better things to do in life than whine about something you have no chance of changing.

Are you going to catch up on lost time and post that in each thread critiquing GT?

Yes, because if you love the series you shouldn't critique it because you want it to be better, you should just quit and take up another game. Makes total sense. If everyone who had a gripes about the game left for other games, there wouldn't be very many people left and no Gran Turismo either.

There is a vast difference between "whining" and "critiquing", and an even bigger jump to "constructive criticism". "Whining" is just annoying, IMHO.

 

[Johnnypenso]

There is a vast difference between "whining" and "critiquing", and an even bigger jump to "constructive criticism". "Whining" is just annoying, IMHO.

Yes it is annoying, so is blind defense of a flawed game. Everyone on both extremes is annoying. So what?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

There is a vast difference between "whining" and "critiquing", and an even bigger jump to "constructive criticism". "Whining" is just annoying, IMHO.

Yeah and what exactly is that difference since it's quite subjective, and I've seen hardliners for GT knee jerk and "cry" with emotional fervor at even the slightest comment against the franchise from other fans. The other fans then somehow lose respect for seeing issues, so let me ask you this what is a good time to complain?

 

[daddyo845]

People seem to think that games can be made perfectly. You have to expect there to be flaws because every game has its flaws. To expect a video game to be made perfectly that has everything you want and nothing you don't is truly one of the most ridiculous things. And if you think making a video game is so simple to make why don't you try to make one that will create a huge fan base that will last for years.

 

[Geoff]

People seem to think that games can be made perfectly. You have to expect there to be flaws because every game has its flaws. To expect a video game to be made perfectly that has everything you want and nothing you don't is truly one of the most ridiculous things. And if you think making a video game is so simple to make why don't you try to make one that will create a huge fan base that will last for years.

my feeling is that, back in the day, they were able to make great games without having any feedback from players or possible updates because internet wasn't existing yet.
now look at it that way:`PD is actually on the 6th opus, 2nd one with updates, and 8th update of the last game...
so i think they have all the room now to have a game with less "flaws"

 

[daddyo845]

my feeling is that, back in the day, they were able to make great games without having any feedback from players or possible updates because internet wasn't existing yet.
now look at it that way:`PD is actually on the 6th opus, 2nd one with updates, and 8th update of the last game...
so i think they have all the room now to have a game with less "flaws"

While I understand why people want games with less flaws myself included. I'm just saying its not easy to do so

 

[IfAndOr]

There is a vast difference between "whining" and "critiquing", and an even bigger jump to "constructive criticism".

Yeah and what exactly is that difference since it's quite subjective.

I cant say exactly since it is subjective. But my subjective view is...

Whining - I want this. I want that. And I want it now. (or else)
Critiquing - I'd quite like this, I'd quite like that. Possibly soon?
Constructive Criticism - It would be better if it had this & that. Maybe sometime.

Of course other views are available - and will no doubt be made known!

Since the game was (is?) "flawed", for a short while I was at the whining stage. After things began to improve and I moved on to critiquing. And now on reflection I've mellowed to constructive criticism. What ever happens, happens.

Don't get me wrong, I'd still like the course maker. And I want it now - oh hang on I'm back to whining.

Everyone on both extremes is annoying.

Yes they can be. It's a shame that "just a game" brings out the worst extreme views in people. But I suppose that goes for anonymity of internet forums in general.


Everyone - Take a deep breath, hold and release slowly.

Peace and Love. Peace and Love.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I cant say exactly since it is subjective. But my subjective view is...

Whining - I want this. I want that. And I want it now. (or else)
Critiquing - I'd quite like this, I'd quite like that. Possibly soon?
Constructive Criticism - It would be better if it had this & that. Maybe sometime.

You're quite lenient on what you would call a critique or constructive criticism and really you only begin to certify my point that things outside slight criticism is reasonable. Look it's great you have a franchise you love, but to push that to dogmatic levels as some do here rather than have an intellectual conversation isn't right and is ironic because as @Johnnypenso said you become as bad as the supposed "Anti-GT" crowd.

Of course other views are available - and will no doubt be made known!

Since the game was (is?) "flawed", for a short while I was at the whining stage. After things began to improve and I moved on to critiquing. And now on reflection I've mellowed to constructive criticism. What ever happens, happens.

Wow if only the world was that easy going about it, I'd have passed many of University classes with ease, and could have been much more relaxed at jobs. I've never heard constructive criticism be seen as "whatever happens, happens" type levels as you've put it.

Don't get me wrong, I'd still like the course maker. And I want it now - oh hang on I'm back to whining.

Also I haven't seen me nor anyone claim we want it now. In last page or so. Either way there are plenty of threads with very smart people on this forum that have shown why GT6 is more flawed then a missing course editor/creator.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Also I haven't seen me nor anyone claim we want it now. In last page or so. Either way there are plenty of threads with very smart people on this forum that have shown why GT6 is more flawed then a missing course editor/creator.

The other side of it is, what's wrong with wanting some of the missing features now anyway right? We actually paid for them 6 months ago. Other than a house or maybe a car or other major purchase, what else do we wait patiently for, for 6 months? People are getting antsy because the major promised features that we can all use, are not here, and PD is completely silent on the matter.

2 or 3 months in, yeah, it's a little early to expect major features to drop. It's now 6 months, we have every right to be impatient at this point, especially considering we've had not a single track DLC (slight mods to existing tracks don't count in my book), nor any car packs outside of Senna which we knew about 6 months ago, a couple of VGT's and a couple of others. Where are the DLC street cars?

 

[IfAndOr]

Of course other views are available - and will no doubt be made known!

@LMSCorvetteGT2, you seem to have read me wrong. I like GT and get a great deal of enjoyment from it, but it's not as black and white to me as it seems to be to others. Do I love it? I wouldn't say love, but I do like. However it's just a game after all, not life and death. Which is what I was trying to convey in my post.

So therefore I agree with your point that to push (their ideas) to dogmatic levels as some do here is completely disproportionate. But like I said others have their own views and just because you/I disagree with them it doesn't make them wrong (well not always).
If someone has more love/hate for the game to constantly "go against them" only makes you more angry. Some don't want an intellectual conversation - and it probably wont change their views anyway. It's just a never ending cycle you get drawn into - look you've made me reply to you.

What ever happens, happens - I was referring to the game, not the world! Since however much whining, critiquing or constructive criticism there is, it's really out of our hands as to what PD do next. They can listen, but don't have to do anything about it. Although for the future of the franchise they probably should do.
The world indeed is a different matter. There's nothing usually easy going on it. University, jobs, life, no way. Mores the pity.

And yes I was quite lenient since I was only giving an abbreviated (and lighthearted) description on my take of the @GBO Possum comment which you questioned. At the time I didn't didn't think it warranted anything more in depth. Over to Mr Possum for that?

Also I haven't seen me nor anyone claim we want it now.

No, not so much in the last page or so, but you don't have to look very far beyond them! And it was the general (disheartening) trend on GTP over the last few months I was referring too.

Either way there are plenty of threads with very smart people on this forum that have shown why GT6 is more flawed then a missing course editor/creator.

Yes I know there are flaws, but give it a break it's a Simcade (horrible term I know) game running on a somewhat outdated games console with hardly any memory. Not a multi million pound F1 simulator! For the most part the game works - many are happy using it as is. While we don't like flaws they will hopefully be fixed. The course maker on the other hand was touted around before the game was released - which is the main reason I "upgraded" early. So that, for me at least, is my main "whine".


That's my thoughts - right or wrong.

Anyway, have a good week, and remember what ever happens, happens (and it probably will). 👍

 

[daddyo845]

I know that we haven't gotten features yet that have been promised to us and I can understand the impatience but complaining about it is not going to make it come out any sooner.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

@LMSCorvetteGT2, you seem to have read me wrong. I like GT and get a great deal of enjoyment from it, but it's not as black and white to me as it seems to be to others. Do I love it? I wouldn't say love, but I do like. However it's just a game after all, not life and death. Which is what I was trying to convey in my post.

I know what you're trying to convey and it's not going to stop people from seeing it as something they've invested much time and money into and would appreciate to see some return in their efforts. Not "we'll patch it down the road".

So therefore I agree with your point that to push (their ideas) to dogmatic levels as some do here is completely disproportionate. But like I said others have their own views and just because you/I disagree with them it doesn't make them wrong (well not always).
If someone has more love/hate for the game to constantly "go against them" only makes you more angry. Some don't want an intellectual conversation - and it probably wont change their views anyway. It's just a never ending cycle you get drawn into - look you've made me reply to you.

I'm not here to change views, I like debate and conversation like many here do. It's a forum and basically what you seem to be asking for is some monotonous comments that don't conflict with one another on a constant basis. Which if so is laughable and idealist in nature. This is a forum and this is what happens on them. Call me cynical but trying to combat complaining by complaining and then acting as the righteous voice of reason isn't going to change things around here.

What ever happens, happens

- I was referring to the game, not the world! Since however much whining, critiquing or constructive criticism there is, it's really out of our hands as to what PD do next. They can listen, but don't have to do anything about it. Although for the future of the franchise they probably should do.
The world indeed is a different matter. There's nothing usually easy going on it. University, jobs, life, no way. Mores the pity.

I'd have agreed with you five years ago but they have been constantly flirting with the idea of putting themselves in the line of fire with fans to try and improve the game. Their approach or execution when they do get around to it is what is questionable.

And yes I was quite lenient since I was only giving an abbreviated (and lighthearted) description on my take of the @GBO Possum comment which you questioned. At the time I didn't didn't think it warranted anything more in depth. Over to Mr Possum for that?

Yeah that's the point...

No, not so much in the last page or so, but you don't have to look very far beyond them! And it was the general (disheartening) trend on GTP over the last few months I was referring too.

Last few months, GT has had increasing complaints since GT4 on this forum and others. I'd recommend you read why such hard criticism is given to GT based on the last two games and then you might see why people are harsh. And I'm not talking about the ones who complain about every little minor issue. I'm talking about those who talk about the major AA issues, lack of online support that was promised all the way back to GT5P and even GTHD for example.

Yes I know there are flaws, but give it a break it's a Simcade (horrible term I know) game running on a somewhat outdated games console with hardly any memory. Not a multi million pound F1 simulator! For the most part the game works - many are happy using it as is. While we don't like flaws they will hopefully be fixed. The course maker on the other hand was touted around before the game was released - which is the main reason I "upgraded" early. So that, for me at least, is my main "whine".

Plenty of threads to read to show you want this generic thought doesn't hold up but by all means if you want to believe that you have that right, as you've said.

 

[Gravitron]

Anyone talking about how this bug was fixed? Alrighty, then.