Who is the worst human being alive?

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Hm, interesting nomination choosing the heads of tobacco companies. Here are some names of the big five:

Altria Group (Phillip Morris USA)
Martin Barrington, Chairman & CEO

British American Tobacco
Richard Burrows, Chairman; Nicandro Durante, Chief Executive

Imperial Tobacco
Mark Williamson, Chairman; Alison Cooper, Chief Executive

Japan Tobacco
Mitsuomi Koizumi, President & CEO; Hiroshi Kimura, Chairman; Thomas A. McCoy, CEO of Japan Tobacco International

Phillip Morris International
Louis Camilleri, Chairman; André Calantzopoulos, Chief Executive

Are they really as bad as people who actively and intentionally murder? You draw the lines differently or you could argue that they are the "worst human being alive" in different categories.


Thanks for providing the names, you should also include Indonesian tobacco companies leaders, in Indonesia tobacco business is lucrative, with tens of millions of prospect consumers and almost unlimited freedom in advertising, even on public tv ad broadcast. For tobacco related deaths, I have known many in my life who got sick and died due to tobacco addiction or being in heavy smokers environment, including my own old man who was heavy smokers, that led him to stroke, lung damage, complications that leads to heart failure ( been sick since he was in his 50's ) I also known some who have succumbed to drug addiction, one of them died when we were in high school due to OD, it's painful to see someone struggle and failed to break free from addiction, and you can't do much about it, and when they fall ( sick and died ) :(

My younger brother also got addicted to tobacco when he was in late teens ( bad friends ), and he never got free till today, slowly watching him harming his body, wasting money only to be burned away to smoke. It's scary, the mindset of addicted man, they know full well the risk but they are still doing it, like being chained.

Ask one self, would a well intent man make and sell tobacco to others knowing how addicting and harmful it can be to one's health and others who inhaled the smoke ?

In my opinion, we can blame the smokers for their own choice, but sometimes it started from peer pressure, and one time is usually all it takes .... but the worst person in my view would be the tobacco provider/company owners. Remember when it started, someone saw opportunity to sell tobacco and make it a big business, GREED for money at the expense of others suffering, pain and death, just as bad as bad people who kill for money.
 
The Pope.

The current one seems slightly more open to reform, but as the leader of the Catholic Church, he's still accountable for all the crap that still goes on within it.
 
I don't mind you saying, but are you serious about the pope? or is it the institution, or what.

He's the figurehead of an institution, just as many of the other nominees on this thread are. But as we are meant to be talking about individuals, the figurehead/leader/CEO etc has to be the focal point as the buck stops with them at the end of the day.
 
That makes sense, but just how bad is the church? you don't have to answer that, it just made me take a pause.
 
That makes sense, but just how bad is the church? you don't have to answer that, it just made me take a pause.
You could make excellent arguments for the Catholic Church's stances on homosexuality and contraception have caused more poverty, more disease and more persecution than any other body in history.
 
Peter Mandelson
Henry Kissinger
Christine Lagarde
Bill Clinton
Hillary Clinton
The Pope
Angela Merkel
Donald Trump
David Cameron
Lyndon Johnson
Al Gore
Bill Oddie
Gorden brown
Julia Gillard
Bob Brown
George Bush
 
You could make excellent arguments for the Catholic Church's stances on homosexuality and contraception have caused more poverty, more disease and more persecution than any other body in history.


I guess you could, or it could just be society anyway. I do not think the pope is all that bad, I don't care for him, but there are way worse in my book.
 
You could make excellent arguments for the Catholic Church's stances on homosexuality and contraception have caused more poverty, more disease and more persecution than any other body in history.

And their systematic covering up of clergy who take their fondness of children to an unpleasant level.
 
I have always looked at it this way, and I hope you guys get me; two or more gathered in my name are in the presence of the lord. I do not and have never cared for any sort of organization. 👍
 
I have always looked at it this way, and I hope you guys get me; two or more gathered in my name are in the presence of the lord. I do not and have never cared for any sort of organization. 👍

How can you rail against repeated accusations of vagueness and then come out with something like that? Are you saying you're a lord of some kind?
 
I'm tempted to try to pick a category:

Physical Awfulness (murder, torture, etc.)
Political Awfulness (attempt to subvert human rights, perhaps some are highly concerned with pollution?)
Religious Awfulness (death-by-belief)

I'd like to pick one of those categories but we have a nexus on all of those categories in the middle East, and possibly North Korea. Russia usually lacks the final category. The pope is missing at least the first one. The problem in the Middle East is that I don't follow the situation well enough to know the names of all of the major players at any given time. Who's in charge of Hamas right now? Or the Palestinian movement in general? I'm sure there's someone out there screaming death to the Jews, infidels, and anyone who wants women to be able to bare their ankles or walk in front of a man. That guys is the worst person on the planet right now (the one who leads that charge anyway). Kim Jong Un is way up there, maybe he'll take the crown at some point.
 
Ibrahim Awad Ibrahim al-Badri (Leader of SSIS) although probably won't be for too long.

Yup, that guy seems like a great candidate. I knew there'd be someone filling that role. The middle east never seems to run out of energy for being horrible.
 
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You could make excellent arguments for the Catholic Church's stances on homosexuality and contraception have caused more poverty, more disease and more persecution than any other body in history.

You can also argue that the catholic church is responsible for the development of western civilization and did more for humanity through the arts and sciences than any other body in history.
 
You can also argue that the catholic church is responsible for the development of western civilization and did more for humanity through the arts and sciences than any other body in history.
Yeah, but you'd be wrong and in the wrong thread - and the current Pope isn't a renaissance era Pope, but still presides over an institution that dictates against sexual health causing the spread of devastating diseases, particularly in Africa.
 
You can also argue that the catholic church is responsible for the development of western civilization and did more for humanity through the arts and sciences than any other body in history.

Well, I'm not sure if Galileo Galilei would agree with that description. The church was in many cases more of an oppressor than a catalyst. But let's say that we give the church credit for the development of Western civilization, and by extension the progress made in arts and sciences, wouldn't we also have to consider all the bad things that the western civilization is responsible for, and give the church credit for that as well? I mean, if we give the church credit for Newton's theory of gravity, wouldn't we also have to give the church credit for Hitler?
 
Governor Snyder or whatever his name is, the guy who gave everyone in Flint, Michigan lead poisoning just to save a negligible amount of money.
 
We are all so in awe of your wit and your courage. Now, could you provide a bit of the reasoning behind your answer?
I don't like his middle east policies and hold him responsible for a lot of the death and destruction that is happening right now.
 
I don't like his middle east policies and hold him responsible for a lot of the death and destruction that is happening right now.

What specific actions did he take (or not take), and which specific Middle East events do you attribute to those (in)actions?
 
I'd like to nominate my roommate who burns this really strong herbal something or another that makes me want to stop breathing.

On a serious note, Kim Jong un is who I would pick at the current moment because he appears to be set to start world war 3 with whatever nuclear technology North Korea has. We really don't need another world war, especially just because some dictator is unhappy with how his country is being treated, which is his own fault in the first place.
 
But you come from a country where the dangers of smoking are well known and are an accepted hazard under cost/benefit analysis. It isn't the same in other countries and criticism of the tobacco industry often goes around that many (we're talking millions if not touching a billion or two) of their customers do not know about the health hazards associated with smoking and that the tobacco companies turn a blind eye to, and fail to correct, this ignorance. It's closer than you think too; I've lived in, and visited, a few countries in Europe where smoking is such a common activity and I am absolutely astonished at how prevalent it is.

Even then, that revolution didn't occur in many western countries until the 1970s and the criticism also falls on their past actions (or inactions) as well as their current ones. Tobacco firms are also notorious for their AstroTurfing and lobbying campaigns.

I'd be hard pressed to call these people the worst people alive but I certainly wouldn't be lauding them for their success.
To be a bit fair, the dangers of smoking are well known here in the US as well, it is just that the tobacco industry isn't as regulated in the US as it is in the UK or Europe. At best, we get a $1.01 per pack federal tax, as well as any additional taxes the state and local authorities would want to charge. (According to the latest data, Jan. 1, 2014, New York state charges the highest state tax at $4.35 a pack and Missouri charges the lowest at $0.17 a pack. To put the two extremes into perspective, Iowa(25th) charges $1.36 a pack and my state of Texas(24th) charges $1.41 a pack.)

While I can't find any statistical data to prove it, while less and less people do smoke, high taxes in combination of city wide smoking bans in bars and restaurants does help curb the smoking rate.
 
I'd like to nominate my roommate who burns this really strong herbal something or another that makes me want to stop breathing.

On a serious note, Kim Jong un is who I would pick at the current moment because he appears to be set to start world war 3 with whatever nuclear technology North Korea has. We really don't need another world war, especially just because some dictator is unhappy with how his country is being treated, which is his own fault in the first place.

There's a risk for Famous Last Words here, but I don't think he's interested in nuking anyone. He wants to protect himself and his country, and nuclear weapons are going to make anyone think twice before they invade.
 
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