who is your favourite bad driver?

[millencolin]

in the years of F1 many drivers have come and gone. some good, some great and some well down right crap.

everyone has a soft spot for a bad driver. im asking, who is your favourite bad, slow, talentless driver?

 

[Mike Rotch]

Originally posted by millencolin
in the years of F1 many drivers have come and gone. some good, some great and some well down right crap.

everyone has a soft spot for a bad driver. im asking, who is your favourite bad, slow, talentless driver?

Juan Pablo Montoya


Jokes aside, I'd have to say Jos the Boss (although made in holland and sn00pie will be with me).

Never does much, but I always quietly give the lad a cheer.

 

[Pupik]

I'll have to agree; I've always wanted to see Jos Verstappen do well, but it really looks like the clock has struck midnight on his F1 career.

Anyone who can give Michael Schumacher advise on car setups ('94 Hungary), and have less experience (!) is alright in my book. But that's just about how weird the '94 season was...

Failing that, I wanted to see Tora Takagi do well (born around the same date I was), but he really stank up the circuits in '98-'99. Seeing him attain a strong 5th at Indy this year was a pleasure, though.

 

[Race Idiot]

Originally posted by Mike Rotch
Juan Pablo Montoya


Jokes aside, I'd have to say Jos the Boss (although made in holland and sn00pie will be with me).

Never does much, but I always quietly give the lad a cheer.

Mih likes mr Verstappen, but sn00pie definitely doesn't.

Although I always felt kinda sorry for poor Alex yooung.

 

[wee_man]

I always thougth Alex Young was a bit of a Gooner!!
Herbert I like, but I thought he didn't have any really amasing talent (even though he had a one off fluke F1 victory at the European GP some time back). Though apparantly when my dad saw him drive before his hge accident at Brands Hatch which did some serious amage to his legs, he was absolute mustard!

 

[GilesGuthrie]

Originally posted by wee_man
I always thougth Alex Young was a bit of a Gooner!!
Herbert I like, but I thought he didn't have any really amasing talent (even though he had a one off fluke F1 victory at the European GP some time back). Though apparantly when my dad saw him drive before his hge accident at Brands Hatch which did some serious amage to his legs, he was absolute mustard!

Johnny Herbert was a monkey. He actually won three Grands Prix - you're forgetting the races he won where Michael and Damon took each other off. His three wins were in the British and Italian GPs (1995) and at a rain-affected European Grand Prix (Nurburgring, 1999). Otherwise he was a journeyman who failed to really achieve any kind of success, and his chief talent seemed to be overstating his chance of a good result. He did/does have a vehement fan club though, and you would always see "Go Johnny Go" banners, usually at Stowe corner for the British GP. I always wanted to go down there and right "Please" at the end of the banner.

My favourite rubbish driver was Pedro Diniz. I loved the way he managed to drag the mobile chicane that was the Forti to the finish of some 11 of that year's 16 races. It was that car which prompted the FIA to introduce the (now scrapped) 107% rule in qualifying.

He drove for Sauber in 1996, and spun off in a fiery incident that led to the best sport headline ever

The headline was "Diniz in the Oven".

 

[millencolin]

Originally posted by GilesGuthrie

"Diniz in the Oven".

crafty!!!!

my fav bad driver would have to be tarso marques. no matter what he tried, it was slow, just like him.

probibly the most famous moment in his career was when he helped JPM win at michigan superspeedway. he was a lapped car in front of a battle for the lead between montoya and andretti, and the draft from his car helped montoya gain his nose ahead of andretti on the line.

but in f1 tarso was........well.....outshined. beaten in every round in qualifying by a YOUNG rookie caled alonso in the same minardi.

 

[advanR]

tak innoue. i got a vid of him at f1 seasons. funny stuff.

 

[Mike Rotch]

Originally posted by wee_man
I always thougth Alex Young was a bit of a Gooner!!
Herbert I like, but I thought he didn't have any really amasing talent (even though he had a one off fluke F1 victory at the European GP some time back). Though apparantly when my dad saw him drive before his hge accident at Brands Hatch which did some serious amage to his legs, he was absolute mustard!

Yip, on both counts. Now i hear rumblings that Yoong wants to buy a F1 ride again. Lets all pray that doesnt come off. He surely stank.

Ukyo Katayama. Remember him. He also took the mobile chicane thing a bit seriously, but still, had nothing against the champ.

Another who stank when he arrived in F1 was Michael Andretti. Boostes viewership of F1, cos you were guarenteed a crash at turn 1 with him on the grid.

 

[SandStorm]

Originally posted by millencolin
in the years of F1 many drivers have come and gone. some good, some great and some well down right crap.

everyone has a soft spot for a bad driver. im asking, who is your favourite bad, slow, talentless driver?

Truthfully? I must say either Olivier Panis or Giancarlo Fisichella. Both of them have been if F1 for some number of years and are not obviously good enough to join the top teams, or they'd be there already.

 

[hippyneil]

Originally posted by Mike Rotch
...I'd have to say Jos the Boss ...Never does much, but I always quietly give the lad a cheer.

I think I have to go along with mike on this. He has his moments but never seemed to get any real consistency. And he aways comes across as being a very nice chap!

 

[Pupik]

Well, both Panis and Fisichella have a GP win. In odd, wet-race, crash-ridden circumstances, too! Both of them suffer form being better drivers than racers, which both are good at bringing the car home.

Panis was lucky (Monaco '96), but he's come home in the top three when everyone else wasn't there, so it's hard to say he didn't deserve it. Fisichella had the most 2nd places of any other F1 driver in history with no wins until this year's Brazilian GP. I am rather surprized they are both still at it, considering the lack of teams and wealth of up-and-coming drivers, but neither can be criticized for dangerous driving, slow lap times, nor being pay-drivers.

When you compare lap times, Alex Yoong really wasn't the worst of the worst all-time. Far from it. He was only a second or two of the pace of his teammate, who happened to a bright star named Mark Webber. In fact, I believe there were some occasions in '02 where Yoong had out-qualified the entire Jaguar team.

 

[millencolin]

Originally posted by pupik


In fact, I believe there were some occasions in '02 where Yoong had out-qualified the entire Jaguar team.

Nope. if he did qualify, it was ALWAYS last

 

[James Barrington]

Originally posted by millencolin
but in f1 tarso was........well.....outshined. beaten in every round in qualifying by a YOUNG rookie caled alonso in the same minardi. [/B]

Hmm, not EVERY round, I seem to remember that Marques outqualified Alonso in Malaysia .

And in all fairness to Tarso, whenever I've seen him driving it's been in a car which is more often than not the WORST car in the field, the Minardi of 2001 for instance, in fact to keep the costs down Minardi an Marques' car with steel brakes an the like compared with Alonso who got the better parts first an foremost. So, in essence he was made to look worse than he actually was, and he did better than Yoong anyway!

 

[millencolin]

but marques was driving a penske in champcars, one of the best funded teams out there. and didnt do too good

 

[Wastegate]

I was always a fan of Bernd Schneider, whose F1 career looks like this

Races Entered: 34
Non-qualifications: 25
Results: 2 x 12th place.

The Zakspeeds he drove never allowed him to show the speed he could have shown in a midfield team. Although he didn't have the ability to be F1 World Champion, he would have made a quick journeyman.

His career, post F1, has been somewhat more fruitful.

 

[millencolin]

what was his post-f1 career? wasnt it sportcars?

 

[Wastegate]

Yes, Schneider did a bit of GTs winning the FIA GT championship in 1997, but has mostly run in the German Touring Car Series (DTM), winning that title in 1995, 2000, 2001 and 2003. All for Mercedes-Benz.

 

[VIPFREAK]

Forget about anyone on F1 how bout the whole friggin European and British Touring car Championship Series! Everytime I watch them on Speed they all suck... One time there were more cars parked on the side of the road or sliding off the track than actually racing! WTF? Oh and don't forget passing or ways to win a race... No people, were not playing GT3 now...

Nick

 

[millencolin]

Originally posted by Wastegate
Yes, Schneider did a bit of GTs winning the FIA GT championship in 1997, but has mostly run in the German Touring Car Series (DTM), winning that title in 1995, 2000, 2001 and 2003. All for Mercedes-Benz.

thanks for the info, youd think that someone with 4 DTM championships would do better in f1. Fisichella raced in DTM as well, and look he is a race winner of soughts

 

[Aveiro-F1]

Alex Yoong...

Went over to Cart and kicked ass lol

 

[millencolin]

i wouldnt say he kicked arse. but he did better than those other ridiculous drivers dale coyne hires. Geoff Boss, Gualter Salles, Alex Sperifico e.t.c e.t.c

 

[Wastegate]

Does anyone remember Riccardo Rosset, who drove for Tyrrell in 1998, and fleetingly for Lola in 1997. Poor guy, slow car, slow driver and his name is an anagram of t*ss*r - a fact that didn't go unnoticed by the F1 paddock at the time. I wonder what he's doing now.

 

[millencolin]

Originally posted by Wastegate
Does anyone remember Riccardo Rosset, who drove for Tyrrell in 1998, and fleetingly for Lola in 1997. Poor guy, slow car, slow driver and his name is an anagram of t*ss*r - a fact that didn't go unnoticed by the F1 paddock at the time. I wonder what he's doing now.

i remember Riccardo. no good driver he was. heres the only pic i could find of him. proves the skils about the man

 

[millencolin]

what about zsolt baumga....i give up. didnt impress me with his jordan drives, how will he go at minardi?

 

[vat_man]

Originally posted by Wastegate
Does anyone remember Riccardo Rosset, who drove for Tyrrell in 1998, and fleetingly for Lola in 1997. Poor guy, slow car, slow driver and his name is an anagram of t*ss*r - a fact that didn't go unnoticed by the F1 paddock at the time. I wonder what he's doing now.

Heh - I saw him on debut for Tyrrell at Albert Park in 1997. He looked to be on the very verge of having an enormous accident - it was great to watch!

 

[millencolin]

Originally posted by vat_man
Heh - I saw him on debut for Tyrrell at Albert Park in 1997. He looked to be on the very verge of having an enormous accident - it was great to watch!

yeah i remember that, his car was very VERY twitchy