Why do I keep drifting?

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I have this Audi R8 5.2 FSI quattro '07 that oversteers just slightly. At the High Speed Ring, every long curve I would take would be a massive DRIFT! The longest, most beautiful drift I've ever done but completely unintentional.

What is wrong with this tune?

Audi R8 V10
All detachable mods; no unremovable mods; no aerokit
608 HP/8400rpm
426ft-lb torque/7100rpm
1620Kg
PP: 562

Ride height: 2/-2
Spring rate: 10.7/11.3
Dampers Ext: 6/8
Dampers Comp: 7/7
Anti-Roll: 5/3
Camber: 2.2/1.8
Toe: -0.01/0.15

LSD front/rear
Initial Torque: 6/16
Accel Sensitivity: 18/36
Braking Sensitivity: 9/23

Torque split: 25 front/75 rear

I don't understand why this car is acting up
 
I always found the car to be a drift monster also. Always happy to go sideways but always catchable. Probably the mr 4wd combo. Maybe slightly more front bias (if that doesn't hurt the handling too much). You could also adjust rear camber to limit oversteer. Cannot advise on what to use as not at home to try and been off gt for a few months so rusty on what to change. Hope you sort the car mate. How's your throttle control?

Edit. Are your brakes 9f 23r? That'll make the rear go under brakes but not power on drift.
 
You don't understand? Look at your settings man! 2/-2 suspension, 25/75 torque, softer suspension at the back, anti roll at 5/3, dampers at 6/8 and you still wonder whats wrong...
 
You don't understand? Look at your settings man! 2/-2 suspension, 25/75 torque, softer suspension at the back, anti roll at 5/3, dampers at 6/8 and you still wonder whats wrong...

How about you go ahead and explain why those settings are causing problems, that might be slightly more useful than scoffing at the OP...

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I have this Audi R8 5.2 FSI quattro '07 that oversteers just slightly. At the High Speed Ring, every long curve I would take would be a massive DRIFT! The longest, most beautiful drift I've ever done but completely unintentional.

What is wrong with this tune?

Audi R8 V10
All detachable mods; no unremovable mods; no aerokit
608 HP/8400rpm
426ft-lb torque/7100rpm
1620Kg
PP: 562

Ride height:- 2/-2
Spring rate: 10.7/11.3
Dampers Ext: 6/8
Dampers Comp: 7/5
Anti-Roll: 5/3
Camber: 2.2/2.5
Toe: -0.01/0.15

LSD front/rear
Initial Torque: 6/16
Accel Sensitivity: 18/20
Braking Sensitivity: 9/9


Torque split: 25 front/75 rear

I don't understand why this car is acting up

I'm not at home right now so I can't try it but the things in bold shoul help a little. :dopey:
 
Ride height: 2/-2
Lower rear than front = more oversteer
Spring rate: 10.7/11.3
Doesn't look too bad, be sure that the rear isn't too soft.
Dampers Ext: 6/8
The rear is heavier, the spring rates almost equal. Why do you set rear extension by 2 higher then? Try a lower number.
Dampers Comp: 7/7
Could work. I would set front by 1 or 2 lower, but I've never tuned this car.
Anti-Roll: 5/3
Again, a soft rear moves more and therefore it tends to oversteer more.
Camber: 2.2/1.8
Seems to be ok.
Toe: -0.01/0.15
Same, but maybe more positive rear toe would help.

LSD front/rear
Initial Torque: 6/16
Accel Sensitivity: 18/36
Braking Sensitivity: 9/23
The rear decel setting could cause problems, but I can't guarantee you that.

Torque split: 25 front/75 rear
The best setting is often 25/75 or 30/70. Try 30/70!
I don't understand why this car is acting up
Now you should. At least I hope..........
 
I have this Audi R8 5.2 FSI quattro '07.

Audi R8 V10
All detachable mods; no unremovable mods; no aerokit
608 HP/8400rpm
426ft-lb torque/7100rpm
1620Kg
PP: 562

Ride height: 2/-2
Spring rate: 10.7/11.3
Dampers Ext: 6/8
Dampers Comp: 7/7
Anti-Roll: 5/3
Camber: 2.2/1.8
Toe: -0.01/0.15

LSD front/rear
Initial Torque: 6/16
Accel Sensitivity: 18/36
Braking Sensitivity: 9/23

Torque split: 25 front/75 rear

Hi..

It's going to be a little difficult to trouble shoot this without knowing a couple of bits of info you haven't posted yet.

What tyres are you using for this car??
Are you online or offline??
Do you have tyre wear on??
What is your brakes settings Fr & Rr??

That info would be very helpful.

Also, apologies for being pedantic - but you say it's the '07 R8 but that's the 4.2 V8 - not V10 - I'm presuming that's a typo and it is the 5.2 V10 you're talking about, if you could confirm this that'd be helpful too.

The setup (I'm presuming 5.2 V10:

In all honestly, it's not horriffically bad, you''ve done a few thigs "right" and are not amillion miles away from certain things being good, but as with all setups, something as simple as a roll bar either +1 or -1 can make a huge difference.

At the moment your ride height is going to cause a small amount of "lift off" oversteer, as the rear is lower than the front.

Possibly, your rear dampers and roll bars could be tuned a litte bit better for rear stability, but your springs are pretty good and match the weight of the car quite well.

The LSD is a little "backwards though".

Try doing this - change:

Ride height to "level" i.e. front and rear both the same +5 / +5, 0 / 0 or -10 /-10.

Springs to 10.4 front and rear 10.6
Dampers (ext) to 3 front / 4 rear
Dampers (comp) to 3 front / 4 rear
Roll bars - just increase rear roll bar to 4 maybe

LSD

Try something like this:

Initial - Fr = 18 / Rear = 10
Acc Sense - FR = 22 / Rear = 12
Bra Sense - Fr - 40 / Rear = 10

That's just a "guess" from the figures you've quoted, but to be honest, to be accurate we'd need all the other info plus knowing your driving style would also be good to.

It's almost impossible to judge a setup from just a few figures though - so there's no guarantee what I said would work, what'd need changing could be masively different depending on whether you're using sports hard tyres or racing softs - or maybe driving it carefully with good throtle control compared to "slamming" it in the corners excessively fast.

Then there's wheel or controller (steering sensitity) and online of offline etc etc etc...

The more info you can give the easier and more accurate those who want to help you can be.
 
This tune was created with Quick Tune, I can tell just by looking at it. OP, it looks like you're using a balance fine tune setting of +1 which is supposed to create oversteer. Try using a negative value. Also, if you subscribe to the "backwards" suspension theory try inverting the F/R roll resistance.
 
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even out the ride height and/or soften rear compression (if its stepping out when you get on the gas) and/or add more negative camber in rear and/or decrease lsd accel in rear (if its stepping out when you get on the gas)

i suspect doing those 4 will bring it in line.
 
Wow, everyone has been incredibly helpful. I appreciate it immensely. I'm a newbie tuner, so I'm still trying to learn my way through the car's settings. I've read everyone's post, but at the moment can't respond more in detail (my cousin just flew in from texas - i'm going to grab some food with her) and once I have more available time I'll respond to everyone who has been so gracious, individually. Thank you again!
 
If your car drift alone and stay easy in this position , it can be induced to drift by the brake balance that i don't see in your settings. If you have to much brake on the rear for example. Try more brake on the front first Brake balance 7/3 or 7/2, if not enough try this settings, close to yours ,that seems good for me, les the ride height.


Ride height: -5/-2

Dampers Ext: 8/8
Dampers Comp: 7/7
Anti-Roll: 3/3
Camber: 2.0/2.2
Toe: -0.01/0.15

LSD front/rear
Initial Torque: 10/16
Accel Sensitivity: 20/36
Braking Sensitivity: 8/8

Torque split: 30 front/70 rear

Brake balance 7/3 or 7/2
 
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