Why Post Tunes if You're Using Assists Like Skid Recovery?

[SS_1182]

For people posting tunes, please understand that as soon as you turn skid recovery on, your tune settings become irrelevant. Please do not post tunes you came up with when using skid recovery, or very high levels of TCS and ABS. What's the point of even tuning the LSD if you're going to use a lot of assists? IMO, any TCS or ABS setting over 1-2 defeats the purpose of tuning the car. You might be able to tune the amount of over/understeer and acceleration/top speed, but that's really about it.


2¢

 

[MidianGTX]

I'm not a tuner so I can't vouch for how much sense this topic makes... but it sounds good to me since I use TC 2 and ABS 1, so yeah, tune 'em all to my standards please

 

[SS_1182]

I don't think ABS and TCS of 2 is too much to affect the purpose of tuning, but for using settings above and beyond that I don't think there's much sense in spending a lot of effort tuning.

 

[mulholland]

if you dial the car in to be faster with or without assists, it doesnt matter in my mind, so long as you specify.

if you tune with assists on, the tuning is getting better and making the car more capable so said assists are cutting in less, which makes yoy faster. if you tube with none on, the car becomes more capable so you are able to go flat out more.

Same end result either way, only discrepency should be if you tune with/without any aids, as the tunes likely work differently with and without aids on.

 

[Dotini]

The best reason to post setups including game-accessible driver aids is to help others enjoy and progress through the game of GT5. Some of us are rather ordinary in our skills, and are not gifted with razor sharp reflexes, superior eye-hand coordination, and youthful thumbs. Still, we are trying our best to work on these things, although my thumbs are definitely arthritic at my stage of life. So I use a wheel, and when required to advance in the game, use all the tuning resources the game legitimately provides for me to use. I am not an elitist who thinks only the gifted few should be allowed to play and win at this game, or to post setups. I am a democrat (small d), who likes to play and advance through a game. I also like to help others. So that is why it is a good and correct thing to post helpful setups, even if they occasionally include tuning that the games top genius players might not necessarily need to use.

Respectfully,
Dotini

 

[jorday]

it depends on the car imo.

for example, F2007 I can drive it just fine with absolutely everything turned off. ABS = OFF, TCS = OFF, etc...on my very first attempt on nurburgring with this car, on this game with these settings was a 5:30.

Normally I will use ABS = 1, though.


FGT is EXTREMELY difficult for me to control with everything set to off regardless of settings though. I guess I can make myself feel better about turning the TCS up a little bit in the fgt is because a few years back when F1 cars had 900 hp like the FGT does, an advanced TCS would have been in place on those cars even though TCS is not allowed in F1 now.

 

[SS_1182]

Hmm, well part of the problem that I see is that someone will post a tune that they use assists with. Then someone comes along and says "Hey, this isn't working for me. What assists are you using?" Then the OP usually names off a few assists they're using, etc. Aside from the fact that things like skid recovery basically negate any tuning settings in the first place, not stating that you are using assists when posting a tune just leads to more confusion, IMO.

 

[jorday]

yeah, i understand you.

 

[Dotini]

Hmm, well part of the problem that I see is that someone will post a tune that they use assists with. Then someone comes along and says "Hey, this isn't working for me. What assists are you using?" Then the OP usually names off a few assists they're using, etc. Aside from the fact that things like skid recovery basically negate any tuning settings in the first place, not stating that you are using assists when posting a tune just leads to more confusion, IMO.

This would be solved if a standardized format for tuning/setups could be instituted. GT4 tunes can be posted at GTVault.com, but they are not updating their format to accept GT5 setups.

 

[progaor06]

i always have tcs off skid recovery off active steering mild active stabilty on and abs on 1..My car handles well,I turn off active stability then its game over for me to me..That keeps the car on road for me,steering im trying to not use but i dont like oversteer so i set it to mild or is it understeer one the 2 but i like these settings best i used to have all them on but tcs makes me skid more then with it off now if its fr car i have tcs on 1 depending on the tires i use if racing mediums i have off if sports tires i have it on 1

 

[sinner]

Yes, I agree with the OP.

I was just wondering the same thing right now as I searched for a good setup for the Focus Seasonal Event race. It's an FF car so naturally it understeers (a LOT!). I went through a few setups listed in the main forum and noticed that a few folks were using a "stiff front / soft rear" setup, which (correct me if I'm wrong) should make an FF car understeer even more. However, a few guys have indicated that it was a setup that worked for them, which led me to believe ASM or some other aid might have been a factor.

I guess ultimately it's important, when posting a setup, to indicate whether any driving aids were used. I try to play with everything off, except ABS 1.

 

[hokage]

I guess ultimately it's important, when posting a setup, to indicate whether any driving aids were used. I try to play with everything off, except ABS 1.

this would be nice, so as not to second guess what driving aids to use in trying the setup posted.

 

[mulholland]

as stated, the need exist only to publish driving aids as part of a tune, as most tuners do when publishing tunes.

skid recovery doesnt negate tuning whatsoever. it simpky adds grip to a hightened threshold, and with tuning you can push even further. a stock car that can do a corner at say 80mph can do it closer to 100 with skid recovery on, and a tuned car with no aids could probably do it close to the same, but a tuned car with skid recovery on would rip through it faster.

I turn it on for grinding the ovals, quicker times=quicker cash, without cheating in any way. Other than tinkering with aids to test them, I drive with all off including abs.

 

[Denilson]

Sinner: Ford Setup

Ford Fucus ST Setup:

All aids OFF, ABS 1.
Tyres: Comfort soft
Brakenalance: F5/R6
Ridehight: F-14/R-6
Springrate: F7,5/R8,5
Damper ext: F4/R5
Damper com: F4/R5
Anti Roll Bars: F4/R4
Camber: F1,5/R0,1
Toe: F0,00/R-0,40
Cluth: Race
Flywheel: Race
LSD: 5/60/5
Race gearbox set to 210 km/h (1mph=1,63km/h)
Sports intake manifold

Nothung else is done to the car and I can't remember if I did an oilchange, so install the above parts and see if an oilchange is needed to reach the hp limit.

Aversge laptime: 1:42.XXX.
First lap around 1.44-45 because of traffic.

Good luck!

 

[oppositelock]

Here's my verdict:

A tune done with aids off will work with either aids on or off and should therefore work for everybody .

A tune done with aids on is only good with aids on and is therefore only good for the (hopefully) small segment of people that use them.

 

[DiaGTR]

I agree with SS_1182 completely.. I would even go further and say. A tune done in GT Mode is not much worth, a tune done online without any helping things, will work everywhere! And when I hear about setups those NEED helping aids to help out other driver, than it will tell you much about the setup itself. A good setup would help them with AND without such toys.

 

[Denilson]

If you post a tune.. Plz tell us all aids used. I always race everything off, ABS 1. I did try a tune for the RX-7 Seasonal 2 that I found here in the forums.. It was rubbish.. So I started to doubt my self until I realized it was done with SRF.. So 100% info in all tunes posted plz.

 

[nasanu]

A tune done in GT Mode is not much worth

Why?

 

[DiaGTR]

GT-Mode will forgive you some mistakes and the online mode will show you all of them. Online setup is subler, so the LSD works more precise and the suspension is more sensitive than in GT-Mode.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

GT-Mode will forgive you some mistakes and the online mode will show you all of them. Online setup is subler, so the LSD works more precise and the suspension is more sensitive than in GT-Mode.

Hmm.. I've noticed something similar.. A car that is driveable on GT-mode is easy to spin online.. And settings to fix that online handling will not work on GT-mode..

 

[Tharain]

Hmm.. I've noticed something similar.. A car that is driveable on GT-mode is easy to spin online.. And settings to fix that online handling will not work on GT-mode..

I didn't experience the same... I had to adjust my offline tuning to online and to be honest after that the setups work better offline than before!

 

[DiaGTR]

Yep, that is what I noticed.. All of my online setups work fine in GT-Mode. You just have to adjust the spring rate, they are to hard for GT-Mode. 5 clicks less at front and rear and it will work like it did online. Some cars will oversteer a lil bit, but that comes from LSD. To fix it is very simple too..

 

[Sincx]

HIGHLY annoying that the grip levels and hence the setups aren't simular on online and offline modes. Completly retarded if I may say so. Really baffled why they made it this way actually....UGH !

And people making tunes with RACE cars make sure you use SOFT RACE slicks, unless you plan on doing 10 + lap races tune with hards or meds or a mix.
Street cars with sport softs..fine but the rest :S

And as the OP said....NO AIDS for setups, you won't see proper race cars irl using any neither.

 

[MyName1sMud]

Nice AV. I'm a big soccer fan myself.

 

[nasanu]

GT-Mode will forgive you some mistakes and the online mode will show you all of them. Online setup is subler, so the LSD works more precise and the suspension is more sensitive than in GT-Mode.

And you can prove that is not all in your head?

 

[MyName1sMud]

hmmm I still use people tunes and not turn on any assists....

they seem to still work for me.... maybe it's just my driving style.

 

[DiaGTR]

Why should I prove it? I tested it for myself, because there was something that messed up with my settings those were done in GT-Mode. If you are not able to do the same, than its fine for me. It was just a small hint for other people.

 

[PNut]

I think OP is referring specifically to skid recovery only, not saying ASM and TCS should not be used. The difference is that the latter are actually found on cars, while skid recovery seems to be a "traction cheat". I think he's saying that the use of skid recovery renders a tune less...good (=p)...since skid recovery helps the car drive right even with a less than ideal tune.

If "skid recovery" was an actual function of real cars like TCS, I don't think the OP would have as big an issue with people using it while posting their tunes.

EDIT: After reading OP again, he does seem angered by high levels of TCS/ABS/ASM etc, but in a binary sense, he doesn't seem to care if they are on or off, just not overpowering. Still I think skid recovery being on is his main gripe.