Why the GT1 Turbo is not a "drift car"

[Drift_Monkey]

Worthless post imo.

No car on the game is tuned for a "drift" car unless its the actual d1gp cars. We take cars such as the c63 or the 350z and tune them to drift. In fact most these cars are tested and tuned for the nurburging, not drifting. I will admit the car is fast, this is due to lose of angle. But i have a member on my team who started in a gt1 and is very good at what he does.

Might as well tell every person tuning a premium car to drift to not add and aero parts (front bumper, wing etc) because it in turn adds down force as well making it faster. The reason why pro drifters use wings like Diago Saito or Chelsea Denofa. The wings may loom ridiculous but it adds control to the car at highspeeds while sideways.

Just my. 2¢

Let's not be confused between real life and the game. The whole point of this post was about the fairness of the car IN THE GAME. I honestly don't even have a problem with people drifting D1GP cars in the game.

But again, the issue is taking a pre-tuned race car and giving it oversteer isn't being fair.

Edit: Most of the cars we use to drift are tuned for nurbergring... but don't forget that they were meant to be mass produced and road driven.

 

[JR86]

Right there, some people drift cars solely on looks! A lot of these "controller kids" (clarification: I'm not calling people who use controllers, kids, I'm talking about "kids" that use controllers) don't worry about weight transfer and all that, they just mash the e-brake and turn!

A huge trend that I'm seeing now is, people drifting Race cars/LMP! What's that all about?

In Auz there are a lot of kids who drift with 700 hp cars and just rip the e brake. One time I saw a kid run RS tyres on a 700 hp car of some sort. You also see a lot of bogans in Holden's. On many occasions I can pull away from a amateur Commodore in my 86 or even hold them up and ruin their line for calling me slow

Back on topic, the car isn't built for drifting as in D1GP and more circuit speed.

 

[MrSwagg]

In Auz there are a lot of kids who drift with 700 hp cars and just rip the e brake. One time I saw a kid run RS tyres on a 700 hp car of some sort. You also see a lot of bogans in Holden's. On many occasions I can pull away from a amateur Commodore in my 86 or even hold them up and ruin their line for calling me slow

Back on topic, the car isn't built for drifting as in D1GP and more circuit speed.

Yeah I see this alot, I just love it when you find someone with a 1000HP Viper SRT, w/ SS tires and argue that they only have those tires because the Japanese drift these tires, and say these tires take more "skill" then CH tires.

 

[DragsNitemare]

The car is naturally fast but a good tunner can make it faster.
It is an awesome car by all means not every one just halls ass with it, sine of us tune the car to be a follow car that will drift in the back at any speed via transmission. That's why I enjoy the car, but I tune almost everything and drift it

 

[DragsNitemare]

In Auz there are a lot of kids who drift with 700 hp cars and just rip the e brake. One time I saw a kid run RS tyres on a 700 hp car of some sort. You also see a lot of bogans in Holden's. On many occasions I can pull away from a amateur Commodore in my 86 or even hold them up and ruin their line for calling me slow

Back on topic, the car isn't built for drifting as in D1GP and more circuit speed.

I drift high horsepower but I rarely use hand break , you feather throttle and use normal breaking, how drifting was intended to be done

 

[BenBurroughs]

Edit: Most of the cars we use to drift are tuned for nurbergring... but don't forget that they were meant to be mass produced and road driven.

BenBurroughs likes this. What Suzuki or Daihatsu engineer ever expected one of their Kei cars to be driven on the Ring at night and in the rain? I've done it and I know I'm not alone.

 

[Drift_Monkey]

high hp is not a problem for me... but don't tandem with me and complain about me being slow when i only have 500 and you have 900. I think when it comes to open lobbies people should start being more considerate and fair instead of being the first one around the corner or leading the pack through a section.

The best drift sessions i've ever had were always because we were always right up on each others doors not just drifting fast to set the highest lap time

 

[DragsNitemare]

high hp is not a problem for me... but don't tandem with me and complain about me being slow when i only have 500 and you have 900. I think when it comes to open lobbies people should start being more considerate and fair instead of being the first one around the corner or leading the pack through a section.

The best drift sessions i've ever had were always because we were always right up on each others doors not just drifting fast to set the highest lap time

So true bro let's tandem soon

 

[Drift_Monkey]

Definitely... I see you using that SLR nowadays. If you want a beastly tune let me know as i don't need any more controller tunes.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

The original drift car:


Keiichi Tsuchiya's favourite car; the AE86.

Any other arguments?


In other words, though, if I hear about people running 900 hp, I ask them "if you're half-throttle at 900 hp, how is that any different from 450 hp at full throttle?"


If I hear people talk about drifting LMP cars, I ask them "Why?"


If I hear people talk about drifting the GT1 Turbo, I say "Nice car. It doesn't get much angle, though, does it?"


Taking inspiration from Keiichi; it always seems like a good idea.

 

[DragsNitemare]

Definitely... I see you using that SLR nowadays. If you want a beastly tune let me know as i don't need any more controller tunes.

Ya I drift it now and then I love my rx7 Tc though lol. But ya I'll try your tune out. I like comparing modifying tunes, helps me learn

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Ya I drift it now and then I love my rx7 Tc though lol. But ya I'll try your tune out. I like comparing modifying tunes, helps me learn

Does the RX-7 TC not have the same problem as the GT1 Turbo does? Too much aero=too much grip=too much speed for tandems?


I love the way it looks, but I can't drift a car based JUST off of the way it looks. Otherwise, I'd end up drifting a Civic Type R '08, or a Mitsubishi Evo X, neither of which are FR.

 

[Stavingo]

Meh, doesn't bother me if the car is made for drifting or for racing.

I'll use it how I want to for drifting or for racing.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Meh, doesn't bother me if the car is made for drifting or for racing.

I'll use it how I want to for drifting or for racing.

👍 Yeah. I'm just curious about whether people have found ways around that downforce problem, because I like the styling of some high-downforce cars. I agree with what you're saying, but even my street car tunes for drifting are getting negative feedback (only 4 out of 5 ) for using downforce. So, I'll do my best to figure something out, but I'm not really a fan of drifting with downforce.

 

[daus26]

I haven't drifted in a long time, and honestly even till now, I still don't understand the frustrations over what other people want to use for drifting as to lose respect for them. If it's because the person is show boating or something, I can understand. Other than that, why so much stress?

It's just my opinion, but sometimes we just get too touchy with the whole thing. I never get the whole AWDs are noobs, Drift Trials are noobs, and now specific cars being noob. When I play the game, I just play. I couldn't care less what people use to drift. Plus there happen to be really good players who drift AWDs, does drift trials, or use such a car such as the GT1 Turbo. Usually, they're actually the ones that are well rounded.

Now if we're so concerned about unfair advantages in a competition, it's simple. Make a rule and make people follow it.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

I haven't drifted in a long time, and honestly even till now, I still don't understand the frustrations over what other people want to use for drifting as to lose respect for them. If it's because the person is show boating or something, I can understand. Other than that, why so much stress?

It's just my opinion, but sometimes we just get too touchy with the whole thing. I never get the whole AWDs are noobs, Drift Trials are noobs, and now specific cars being noob. When I play the game, I just play. I couldn't care less what people use to drift. Plus there happen to be really good players who drift AWDs, does drift trials, or use such a car such as the GT1 Turbo. Usually, they're actually the ones that are well rounded.

Now if we're so concerned about unfair advantages in a competition, it's simple. Make a rule and make people follow it.

Read my post above. It's a difference in speed, grip, and technique, which makes the different types of cars hard to work with. You COULD put a guy in a 480 hp Silvia S13 against a 600 hp Amuse S2000 GT1, but in doesn't work in tandems, D1GP battles, or anything similar. I could use an Amuse S2000 GT1 and not feel noob-ish, but it's not a similar car to the competitors.


The problem is, that one car will be much faster; meaning, that it NEEDS speed to hold its line, while the other car, on the same line, could be 20km/h faster or slower. THAT causes spins and crashes. Today, I was drifting with a guy named blurrrr, and he was in a 370Z, while I was in my trustworthy Skyline GTS-t Type M '89. So far as I know, we both had similar figures for hp and torque etc., but I got a better launch (by grip) and the whole way through a 30 second long section, I was continually having to steer to avoid him, because my car hooked up and got more grip while following DIRECTLY "beside." I'll admit that I hit his door about six times, with my wheel, as I was countersteering, and it probably looked more like Initial D anime, than D1GP. THAT is the difference in downforce; speed, which causes bumps, scrapes, and scratches.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Reminds me when Orido drove Supra RSR with 700Ps of power, and JGTC wing, did he have the same problem when tandem ? The Supra was known as a car with heavy front, and built for high speed corners, it's also very uncommon to drift in competition as it's main use are for top speed run and time attack.

Maybe the problem are within us, matching speed and angle are key aspect for tandem drifting, differences in power and grip are common thing in real life drift competition.

 

[daus26]

Read my post above. It's a difference in speed, grip, and technique, which makes the different types of cars hard to work with. You COULD put a guy in a 480 hp Silvia S13 against a 600 hp Amuse S2000 GT1, but in doesn't work in tandems, D1GP battles, or anything similar. I could use an Amuse S2000 GT1 and not feel noob-ish, but it's not a similar car to the competitors.


The problem is, that one car will be much faster; meaning, that it NEEDS speed to hold its line, while the other car, on the same line, could be 20km/h faster or slower. THAT causes spins and crashes. Today, I was drifting with a guy named blurrrr, and he was in a 370Z, while I was in my trustworthy Skyline GTS-t Type M '89. So far as I know, we both had similar figures for hp and torque etc., but I got a better launch (by grip) and the whole way through a 30 second long section, I was continually having to steer to avoid him, because my car hooked up and got more grip while following DIRECTLY "beside." I'll admit that I hit his door about six times, with my wheel, as I was countersteering, and it probably looked more like Initial D anime, than D1GP. THAT is the difference in downforce; speed, which causes bumps, scrapes, and scratches.

Yes, I understand. I read the OP bro. What you are saying is basically your own version and experience to what the OP is saying. I'm emphasizing how we as players portray others. I'm not talking about disadvantages/advantages/incompatibility in my previous post. All that can be sorted in a proper manner through RULES and RESTRICTIONS.

What I keep seeing in threads like this is that feeling and vibe of looking down to players who do things that are not "pro" according to their way of doing things. Again, I understand how this can be frustrating in a competitive competition, but for online play, we can't just automatically portray a player as noob, childish, or lost of respect to them just because of their car of choice. Heck like some say here, maybe they just want to drift it for looks. Does that mean they're childish or noob? I've had friends get kick out of rooms for these simple assumptions, without really given a chance to reason or given an explanation.

Also, I'm not directing this to you or anyone specifically. It just seems like something I keep encountering in every drift room nowadays. Then again, it's been a long time since I drifted and have only begun a week ago. Perhaps, people are more open minded now... I don't know.

 

[Mad4missiles]

I don't think there is a problem with people using the gt1 for drifting but for battles there is the car is just too quick and gives an unfair advantage

 

[daus26]

I don't think there is a problem with people using the gt1 for drifting but for battles there is the car is just too quick and gives an unfair advantage

If the thread title was something like "Why GT1 Turbo should be banned from competition" I probably wouldn't think of such thing. However, this thread as a whole is implying why GT1 is NOT a drift car. That may or may not offend those who likes to drift such car, or as far as this discussion have gone, "racing" cars made to drift.

Don't get me wrong though, I pretty much agree with you and most of the people here. What I'm reflecting off of is not any specific post or someone, but a vibe that I've felt quiet some time ago and still do since getting back to drifting after a long break, and that's the feeling of noobish assumptions to people who does or use certain things/cars.

 

[Mad4missiles]

I think people don't like the gt1 because of bad drifters giving it a bad image by hitting people off track the car is seriously fast and some people don't have the skill to follow slower cars and instead of backing off they just ram people out of the way

 

[obsessive rules]

I think people don't like the gt1 because of bad drifters giving it a bad image by hitting people off track the car is seriously fast and some people don't have the skill to follow slower cars and instead of backing off they just ram people out of the way

I think people don't like the gt1 because it isn't meant to drift. I you drift it your not a good driver, quite the opposite. I have a 300 bhp golf R drifter and it does the job better, and it requires skill to do well rather than driving like an idiot with lead shoes.

 

[MrSwagg]

Probably the same reason why people don't like Viper and Corvette drifters.. They're overpowered cars and are overused by many inexperienced drifters, which in result give the car a bad image.

 

[DragsNitemare]

Does the RX-7 TC not have the same problem as the GT1 Turbo does? Too much aero=too much grip=too much speed for tandems?

I love the way it looks, but I can't drift a car based JUST off of the way it looks. Otherwise, I'd end up drifting a Civic Type R '08, or a Mitsubishi Evo X, neither of which are FR.

No dude after tuning it , it's brilliant I took down the down force in the back to even the front etc I tuned it to obey and not straighten out, I just have yo commit when I drift it, it takes nasty corners at high speed. If say the LSD made a big digg as well. It was the same thing when getting the speed 12 to obey. It has the worse down force I have ever encountered. You just gotta learn tuning and be able to adjust your style of drift with in the cars boundaries. I like making hard to deft cars tandemable just takes time.

 

[Rub1nho]

Let's not be confused between real life and the game. The whole point of this post was about the fairness of the car IN THE GAME. I honestly don't even have a problem with people drifting D1GP cars in the game.

But again, the issue is taking a pre-tuned race car and giving it oversteer isn't being fair.

Edit: Most of the cars we use to drift are tuned for nurbergring... but don't forget that they were meant to be mass produced and road driven.

Newsflash: hitting the gas on a 500 hp FR shoebox isn't going to make it understeer...

 

[Drift_Monkey]

Newsflash: hitting the gas on a 500 hp FR shoebox isn't going to make it understeer...

What are you trying to say?

 

[Rub1nho]

Well, there's nobody 'giving' it oversteer, being FR and having 500 hp it's going to have oversteer anyways. So how can it not be fair?
If you don't like them drifting it, that's your opinion and you're entitled to have it, but if people want to drift it that's theirs...live with it. Going on a rant because of people drifting a certain car in a PS3 game, I can't imagine you've got nothing better to do.

 

[Mad4missiles]

Well, there's nobody 'giving' it oversteer, being FR and having 500 hp it's going to have oversteer anyways. So how can it not be fair?
If you don't like them drifting it, that's your opinion and you're entitled to have it, but if people want to drift it that's theirs...live with it. Going on a rant because of people drifting a certain car in a PS3 game, I can't imagine you've got nothing better to do.

Well said

 

[Drift_Monkey]

Well, there's nobody 'giving' it oversteer, being FR and having 500 hp it's going to have oversteer anyways. So how can it not be fair?
If you don't like them drifting it, that's your opinion and you're entitled to have it, but if people want to drift it that's theirs...live with it. Going on a rant because of people drifting a certain car in a PS3 game, I can't imagine you've got nothing better to do.

so cars that are 500hp and rwd can't be tuned to go through a course without drifting? These cars aren't made to oversteer. The way you drive might make it do so but it's not what the car wants to do.

it's like saying i can drift a gt500 car and expect to have fair battles and judgement.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

so cars that are 500hp and rwd can't be tuned to go through a course without drifting? These cars aren't made to oversteer. The way you drive might make it do so but it's not what the car wants to do.

it's like saying i can drift a gt500 car and expect to have fair battles and judgement.

Tire compounds make a huge difference.