Why we dont get this Roofcam??

[DonZonda]

Hey people! When I saw the new Replays of the Gamingshows , I mentioned that there is that hot roofcam. It looks so much better than the original one . I know the most people dont care about the roofcam but me and I guess some other people like to drive sometimes with this view.

So look at this !

Standart gameplay roofcam.

And replay roofcam .



So why we dont get this way better looking cam in the gameplay?

Is anyone agree?

 

[amar212]

Whatever the ROOFCAM is - it should have NOTHING to do with actual gameplay view.

Sorry mate.

Only 2 cameras that should be available for gameplay view are cockpit and hood view, MAYBE bumper, just for the benefit of tradition.

 

[DonZonda]

Where is the hood view in GT? I've rarely seen one . In GT4 and GT5P the cameras are on the front of the roof and not on the hood. The only cars that have it on the hood in GT5P are the Jaguar and the Subaru Impreza thats all.

Take the Audi R8 ... Ferrari F430 ... SL55... Evo... and so on, and you will see the camera is on the roof and not hood... the best example is the Ford Focus , there is the camera spotted behind the antenna on the roof.

 

[RedBaron]

Bumper cam is just on the effect of hyperspeed, it's so low that I can't see into corners properly and the front is sinking ridiculously low when braking. Roof cam is too high, not mentioning that I often look into some antene stick. I drive in cockpit view, it's so much similar to real car that it just immediately feel suited for me and you really see what your car does. I would give a try to well positioned hood cam with viewpoint somewhere upper on the windshield.

But fully customizable views with saveable view banks would solve it all, it's their time now, PD.

 

[DonZonda]

But fully customizable views with saveable view banks would solve it all, it's their time now, PD.

Yes I agree that would be the perfect solution 👍.
But to be honest I guess we will not see such option.

 

[Jay]

These cams are available in GT5P's replays also.

 

[DonZonda]

These cams are available in GT5P's replays also.

Yea thats true , but the ones in GT5P are on 30fps with motion blur.
And this new ones are normal 60 fps gameplay

 

[Jay]

You said "When I saw the new Replays of the Gamingshows"

I assumed it was from a replay video and not a gameplay video.

 

[DonZonda]

You said "When I saw the new Replays of the Gamingshows"

I assumed it was from a replay video and not a gameplay video.

sorry , yeah I its from the Replay .


But I mean , now this Roofcams runing at 60fps like the gameplay does. This roofcams in GT5P replays are on 30fps with motion blur.

I just expressed me wrong.. sorry

 

[Jay]

Thats alright, cool to see it in gameplay then.

 

[DonZonda]

But means, that we aren't able to play in the view. We can just choose it in the replay now at 60fps . And my point was that I want this cam in the gameplay as well. Instead of just be able to chose it in the replay

 

[hardvibes]

Whatever the ROOFCAM is - it should have NOTHING to do with actual gameplay view.

Sorry mate.

Only 2 cameras that should be available for gameplay view are cockpit and hood view, MAYBE bumper, just for the benefit of tradition.

Amen.

 

[Tenacious D]

Whatever the ROOFCAM is - it should have NOTHING to do with actual gameplay view.

Well, I completely disagree. The driver views should be flexible enough to suit any player. I only play racing games from roofcam or chase cam. In fact, I've been harping off and on that the driver view should have settable parameters for position, angle and fixed/floating dynamic range, like some PC sims are offering.

Prologue's cockpit view, as good as it is, still isn't right. It looks like you're looking from just over the driver's shoulder... well, through his head, while the seat is inclined. Too low and too far back. Many of us still drive from bumper, chase or roof view because it seems that too many coders drive from the LeMans/F-16 position, half lying down, and that posture gives a horrible view of the road.

Driver views should make just about everyone feel comfortable playing the game, not please the purists.

 

[TokyoDrift]

Whatever the ROOFCAM is - it should have NOTHING to do with actual gameplay view.

Sorry mate.

Only 2 cameras that should be available for gameplay view are cockpit and hood view, MAYBE bumper, just for the benefit of tradition.

Ummm, if you are going to be so pedantic, only one view should exist, and that's a cockpit view, with adjustable camera. If you want to benefit tradition, then you should include the chase cam...

 

[evilfoxhound]

The roof-cam in GTPSP looks like the second pic. Quite useful when doing drifts.

Anyway, don't mention any view other than cockpit on a forum, or the snobs will come out in force.

"Use any camera other than cockpit!? *Snort* hahahahahah, you noob hahahahah. Real racers only use cockpit *Snort* so that makes us much better than you hahahahahah *Snort* I can't believe you would use that view, silly kids hahahahah *Snort*......... Anyway I'm leaving now to wipe the cum off my ass"

 

[Ranko_SD]

I'm always driving with the roof-cam and I miss the replay one for the actual gameplay...
I think we should get more options for position of the any view and not just for cockpit...

 

[JM1681]

Whatever the ROOFCAM is - it should have NOTHING to do with actual gameplay view.

Sorry mate.

Only 2 cameras that should be available for gameplay view are cockpit and hood view, MAYBE bumper, just for the benefit of tradition.

I know you're well known around here, and I respect you (Well at least as much as I can respect someone I've never met or spoken to), but that's probably the most obtuse statement I've seen in months.

 

[Watevaman]

I know you're well known around here, and I respect you (Well at least as much as I can respect someone I've never met or spoken to), but that's probably the most obtuse statement I've seen in months.

+1


But then again, some people around here just can't see it from other people's viewpoints.

 

[JM1681]

I suppose so.

 

[Kryz11]

Whatever the ROOFCAM is - it should have NOTHING to do with actual gameplay view.

Sorry mate.

Only 2 cameras that should be available for gameplay view are cockpit and hood view, MAYBE bumper, just for the benefit of tradition.

Dont we already have ROOF cam in GT4 as well GT5 Prologue?
And I agree, Finn ally GT5 will have hood view!

 

[hardvibes]

I know you're well known around here, and I respect you (Well at least as much as I can respect someone I've never met or spoken to), but that's probably the most obtuse statement I've seen in months.

Do you mind if I ask why?
GT is a driving simulator, right? In real life do you usually drive 10 feet above and 15 behind the driving seat (chase cam)? I used to play like that when I was 12, in need for speed 2. Roof cam isn't right either, it's like cheating because you can't really see that much from your seat. Plus you don't have the feeling of being inside the car.

If you want to simulate the real vision of the road from a driving position, gt's cockpit view is the only way to go....for now. Actually what I think is better is FM3's FOV.

GT needs the ability to adjust the seat, like in GTR. Hopefully the PSEye will help.

 

[JM1681]

Do you mind if I ask why?

Not at all

I think my biggest issue with Amar's suggestion (cockpit and hood views only) is that he doesn't take into consideration that people who have been playing GT for years are already accustomed to using a particular view. Those people probably don't want to change what they've been comfortable with for years for GT5.

Sure in a perfect world, GT would be a perfect simulator and everyone would have a cockpit with wheel and pedals as well as 8 TVs that allowed them to look all around their virtual racecar in real time. In that perfect world, sure give me cockpit only.

Reality however is a different animal.

I imagine I wouldn't be alone if I said I'm going to be playing GT5 on my couch with a Sixaxis and 20 watts of stereo sound coming out of my already-outdated 37" flat-panel that is nearly 10 feet away.

That being the case, I'm sorry but we can't all make do with cockpit only.

 

[DonZonda]

I just wonder why PD dont gives us this replay roofcam in the actual gameplay. It looks just way better. And when you look back you see the back of the car. Just beautyful. So why not PD???

 

[chepe371]

TBH i dont know how anyone can race in Chase, i used to do hood cuz the bumper would throw me off and bump into apex barriers but since Cockpit i dont use nothing else, although it should be adjustable.

 

[Ollie1066]

I find roof cam completely unusable, makes me feel like I'm driving a double decker Cockpit cam ftw, except its lack of 900 degree 1:1 steering, you would of thought it would be in seen as though the wheel of GT5P and probably GT5 is the DFGT.

 

[Ranko_SD]

TBH i dont know how anyone can race in Chase, i used to do hood cuz the bumper would throw me off and bump into apex barriers but since Cockpit i dont use nothing else, although it should be adjustable.

I was driving with chase cam till GT4, it had fixed chase cam that I didn't like much, so I switched to roof and stayed with it, only thing I hate with roof-cam in Prologue is no ability to look left and right, but in replays with that cam you can, hope it will be fixed in the full game...

 

[JM1681]

As cockpit users seem to have their issues with the other views, I personally find the cockpit view to merely shrink my viewable area.

Like I said, with an ideal rig the cockpit view I'm sure is absolutely fantastic. But for those of us who can't do a huge rig just to play GT5, cockpit is just another view.

And if any of you are playing on a screen 37" or smaller, with a sixaxis, from over 10 feet and are STILL using and loving cockpit, you have my highest respect.

 

[Nattefrost]

Do you mind if I ask why?
GT is a driving simulator, right? In real life do you usually drive 10 feet above and 15 behind the driving seat (chase cam)? I used to play like that when I was 12, in need for speed 2. Roof cam isn't right either, it's like cheating because you can't really see that much from your seat. Plus you don't have the feeling of being inside the car.

If you want to simulate the real vision of the road from a driving position, gt's cockpit view is the only way to go....for now. Actually what I think is better is FM3's FOV.

GT needs the ability to adjust the seat, like in GTR. Hopefully the PSEye will help.

How is that cheating? Bear in mind that many players sit some distance away from their tv which isn't necessarily very big. Using cockpit view might seriously limit visibility in that case, making it very hard to see the track ahead and not very enjoyable. Besides, a hood view also robs the player from his ability to see the cars next to him (cockpit view has that advantage, at least on one side, and there's always the side mirrors). It's not so black and white that one view is cheating and another isn't.

We're still talking about a game played on a flat screen. That's radically different from sitting in a car with periphal vision, so we shouldn't be such purists about the view.

If we want to be such simulation purists, shouldn't we also force players to use a clutch and manual gearbox in car models that don't exist without them? Or take away the posibility of shifting in an automtic-only model? All of those things only serve to make the game less enjoyable for certain sets of people, and imo that's against the very nature of a game.

 

[JM1681]

^ Exactly.

 

[cletus 669]

How is that cheating? Bear in mind that many players sit some distance away from their tv which isn't necessarily very big. Using cockpit view might seriously limit visibility in that case, making it very hard to see the track ahead and not very enjoyable. Besides, a hood view also robs the player from his ability to see the cars next to him (cockpit view has that advantage, at least on one side, and there's always the side mirrors). It's not so black and white that one view is cheating and another isn't.

We're still talking about a game played on a flat screen. That's radically different from sitting in a car with periphal vision, so we shouldn't be such purists about the view.

If we want to be such simulation purists, shouldn't we also force players to use a clutch and manual gearbox in car models that don't exist without them? Or take away the posibility of shifting in an automtic-only model? All of those things only serve to make the game less enjoyable for certain sets of people, and imo that's against the very nature of a game.

Perfectly said! I do not like the cockpit view at all,and I have a sim cockpit set-up in front of my 36" Samsung HDTV, I tried it a few times and could not for the love of God hit my braking or turn-in points. I am a bumper cam guy and it too has it's drawbacks, like trying to see if you have cleared the car that was next to you. But that said, there is a view that every individual GTer feels most comfortable to them, so when some wise guy posts that it is cockpit view or it's cheating, or that it is the only view that should be in the game, I just sit back and wonder how some people can be so narrow minded.