Will someone please explain 3D!

[Stonemonkey]

The old 3d glasses with red and green glass didn work on me, because im a bit crosseyed. Does that mean the new 3d thing wont work on me either?

Often with the colour filter glasses there's noticable ghosting which instantly destroys the illusion, the shutter or polarised TV systems should be better and some will be better than others.

 

[cakefoo]

If you want to look around the A-pillar, yes, you'll have to move your head. Speaking of which, it may surprise you to know that a large number of people actually use one eye mainly - I certainly do, so in effect, yes, I'm driving with my left eye closed (it's literally just there for peripheral vision). This is why I cannot see stereoscopic images as well as others.

Then how can you tell me whether stereoscopic movies/games are good or not? My friend has a lazy eye, and I can tell she can't see it as well as other people can, so I stopped asking her opinion on it.

The pseudo-3D effect is a gimmick, and ultimately nothing like real life. So lets say in GT5 it makes it look like the steering wheel is foating in front of you.

Well, not floating out in front of your face... You're thinking that 3D is just the gimmickry people once complained about because it just popped things out at you. Today's 3D is a lot more refined and subtle. They don't exaggerate specific object more than others anymore- especially not in games, where they simply render the world twice, as-is. I played NFS in 3D on a Panasonic plasma and the wheel wasn't "floating."

when I dropped my daugter off at school this morning, my steering wheel was not just floating in front of me. It stands proud of the dashboard and if I move my head, I can look behind it. This is why I feel some kind of tracking is far more effective.

Why, so you can see where to put your key? I mean, sure, headtracking is actually effective in GT for seeing around the A-pillar, but most games out there don't need headtracking because you have the left stick for strafing. Stereoscopic view would, on the other hand, be applicable in fps's, racing games, third person action, platformers, sports, fighting games, rpg's- pretty much anything that is rendered with 3D models, really.

Oh I agree, and I would even go as far as saying that the pseudo-3D that they are implementing in movies and games is NOT more realistic at all. Things just pop out of the screen at you and as a result you perceive a bit of depth. In reality, you don't go through your day with things floating out in front of you - they are just "there", in 3D space, for you to move and look around.

There you go again showing that you have no idea what stereoscopic images are like. Nothing but a couple arrows and floaty jellyfish popped out of the screen. The other 99.9999% of the movie happened -inside- the screen, consistent with how it would look in reality.

People like you with vision problems need to stop opining about stereo 3D as if we all have vision problems. It should be a big disclaimer: "Warning: I have vision problems which prevent me from viewing stereoscopic 3D. I might not know what I'm talking about."

 

[BlacqueJacques]

So you are uncle 3D? Would you like to wait 1-2 more years for 3D GT5?

I'd rather have 2d GT5 now!

 

[cakefoo]

If you want to sound stupid say something like.

"If you want real 3d images I suggest looking out the window"

It's funny. It's like anti-gamers: "If you like football, why don't you just play it in real life?" Now we have anti-3D: "If you like 3D, why don't you just look out a window?" Let me take a look outside and see if there's a lush tropical rainforest out there. Let me go check my porch and see if that grapple hook from Just Cause 2 came in the mail yet. Darn. Yeah, maybe I should just go steal a helicopter and jump off the Statue of Liberty- I'll respawn at home, right?

 

[Ardius]

I think what we are experiencing here is this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_adoption_lifecycle

Some people are just too conservative in their ways to even try new technology and some people prefer to wait before they adopt the technology.

I'd say I'm with the late majority, I don't particularly avoid 3D but I'm a little skeptical about its benefits to the overall experience compared to say developing peripheral vision or other viewing methods.

 

[Mr Latte]

So you are uncle 3D? Would you like to wait 1-2 more years for 3D GT5?

I'd rather have 2d GT5 now!

Thats just another pointless post and what are you on about another 1-2 more years.

It's funny. It's like anti-gamers: "If you like football, why don't you just play it in real life?" Now we have anti-3D: "If you like 3D, why don't you just look out a window?" Let me take a look outside and see if there's a lush tropical rainforest out there. Let me go check my porch and see if that grapple hook from Just Cause 2 came in the mail yet. Darn. Yeah, maybe I should just go steal a helicopter and jump off the Statue of Liberty- I'll respawn at home, right?

They just have more vivid imaginations to us, were at fault not them...
I was going to suggest to them why do they even play games when they could experience real life in full 3D and even without having to buy a new TV or wear stupid glasses.

 

[witham]

THIS IS A QUOTE FROM Blitz187, only god knows why it wont stay in a quote box.
I have seen the 3D TVs with no glasses in action last year when I was in Thailand. There was a shopping mall there that had them hanging all over the place. The only drawback was that if the images werent really taped in 3D you could tell.... and you had to be sitting straight in front of the unit to experience the 3D effect. If you move a bit to the side and looked at the TV from an angle you couldnt see anything... I'm not sure if this technology has been perfected now, but I wasn't very impressed by the LCD TV's with no glasses... Cool gimmick, but nothing more.
END QUOTE

This is called autostereoscopic it is were the image is moved and tilted at speeds just bellow what your eye can see, once to the left for your left eye then once to the right for the right eye and if you do this at high speeds it gives the effect of 3d it works a bit lick interlace scan on a hd tv and yes lg and phillips have been doing this for years and it was scrapped but now it is being brought back for the 3d gimick.

 

[machschnel]

If you want to sound stupid say something like.

"If you want real 3d images I suggest looking out the window"

Or yeah If I want to enjoy 3D in racing games I should go do a track day, or do go-karting or watch a real race or just wise the hell up!!!!


I await the "3D is Crap" thread and then you guys can all be anti 3D with all your wise crack ideas in their.
Some of us even though we may not buy into the hardware are curious to understand if indeed it will be good and improve the fun of the game or indeed it will be overhyped.

Just remember mate, it's just a game, nothing more..........

Film/game is a 2D medium. The screen is FLAT. Anything that simulates 3D on a 2D medium is, at best, a hack. It's a workaround to present the illusion of depth, but it isn't actually depth. To me, a 3D experience means that if I move my POV, I ought to be able to see around and behind things. And a viewer shouldn't need specialized eyewear to experience it. Like how our eyes work in the real world

 

[BlacqueJacques]

machschnel:
Film/game is a 2D medium. The screen is FLAT. Anything that simulates 3D on a 2D medium is, at best, a hack.

Exactly the point

Remember the Americans spent millions designing and producing a pen that would work in zero gravity...

What did the Russians do?

They used a pencil!

 

[Mr Latte]

Just remember mate, it's just a game, nothing more..........

Yeah your right and if I play it on a black n white 20 year old CRT with mono sound it will still be the same game, wont it.

However it wont offer the same enjoyment or entartainment. How is 3D any different, the point you guys should remember is if it can enchance the entertainment of the game then to some maybe its a benifit or at least interesting. Do you guys go about saying projectors are a waste as they only show the same image just bigger? Perhaps 7.1 isnt worth while either as you can hear the audio fine with stereo.

To be quite frank I want to play the game in triple display more than 3D. However if within a year an affordable 3D projector arrived Id like to maybe enjoy the game in that way as well and well maybe even movies too if its not a crime.

The attitude of some of you is like "How dare Sony come up with this and possibly delay the game" shame on them.
As I said earlier lets criticse 3D if indeed it turns out to be a turkey and the game doesnt make good usage of it. Is that fair, so maybe the doubters should at least give it a chance.

 

[cakefoo]

Just remember mate, it's just a game, nothing more..........

Film/game is a 2D medium. The screen is FLAT. Anything that simulates 3D on a 2D medium is, at best, a hack. It's a workaround to present the illusion of depth, but it isn't actually depth. To me, a 3D experience means that if I move my POV, I ought to be able to see around and behind things. And a viewer shouldn't need specialized eyewear to experience it. Like how our eyes work in the real world

In real life, we don't have a giant flat thing sitting 7 feet away from us at all times, but I don't see you complaining about needing TVs for watching movies and games.

 

[cakefoo]

nvm

 

[ItsHim]

A man with crayons can beat "3D" modern day technology in a heartbeat, Don't believe me? Take a look at this: http://users.skynet.be/J.Beever/globe.html

or indeed, this:

http://users.skynet.be/J.Beever/snowman.html

Depressing, isn't it?

 

[SrRd RacinG]

Life is 3D. Games are not. We are amidst a fad. Let it pass.

 

[Stonemonkey]

Life is 3D. Games are not. We are amidst a fad. Let it pass.

The fad here seems to be to hate 3D without giving it a chance, and people with one eye don't want anyone else to experience it just because they can't.

 

[Robin]

I have seen many 3D demo's in public and in stores and everytime I have been totally unimpressed or the effect didnt even work. Plus is made my temporarily disorientated after using them and I have 20/20 vision. The fact that you currently have to wear glasses for it is ludicrous.

Even those future 3D TV's which produce the effect without you needing glasses are flawed because you have to sit directly infront of the TV, not at an angle. What is totally unrealistic in a typical home situtaion.

Seeing 3D in a cinema cannot be compared to using it at home day in day out like the tech companies want us to eventually do. Using it for 2 hours is fine, using it hours and hour each day is going to seriously mess up your vision and also your head. I just just see the lawsuits now with kids going blind playing 3D videogames.

I think its just another time that 3D has reared its head and it will die again like every other time its appeared.

Robin.

 

[Mr Latte]

Thing is 3D has never died.
Its always been techy stuff but due to LCD/Plasma technology becoming popular but not able to support it insured it halted any progress.
Its innacurate to say it died of and dissappeared because it was rubbish or a fad.

Difference is now LCD/Plasma technology can support it and it actually is good enough. Shutter glasses will improve it over old anaglyph and indeed todays current passive glasses used in cinemas. It will however always be towards a target market but what companies are trying to do is grow that target market.

I totally get it that not everyone can see it properly or can enjoy it but those that cant are unfortunate. To that point people will never agree it seems but those that cant see it properly have no justification to write it off neither.

As a suggestion those of you that are major doubters regards 3D gaming, google some forums discussing Nvidias Nvision for PC. By far and large the vast majority of people that buy it are impressed with it and how it changes gamming.

 

[Slurm]

Life is 3D. Games are not. We are amidst a fad. Let it pass.

Haha, I'd like to see you saying this in 2 or 3 years.

3d is kinda gimmicky at the moment but it's a pretty exciting development and I'm pretty sure it's here to stay. It'll get better integrated and more affordable pretty quickly imo.

Having said that, it's annoying to see GT5 now being delayed further to implement what is apparently still a flashy gimmick. As if GT5 hasn't been delayed enough already.

 

[TokyoDrift]

Just remember mate, it's just a game, nothing more..........

Film/game is a 2D medium. The screen is FLAT. Anything that simulates 3D on a 2D medium is, at best, a hack. It's a workaround to present the illusion of depth, but it isn't actually depth. To me, a 3D experience means that if I move my POV, I ought to be able to see around and behind things. And a viewer shouldn't need specialized eyewear to experience it. Like how our eyes work in the real world

Finally, somebody with sense. You just won post of the month.

I totally agree - to be 3D means being able to look around and behind things. The 3D simulated on a screen is nothing like what you experience in real life.

In real life, we don't have a giant flat thing sitting 7 feet away from us at all times, but I don't see you complaining about needing TVs for watching movies and games.

From somebody with sense, to, well, just somebody.

In real life, we don't have things floating in front of us in mid-air, things that we cannot look around, which is exactly what you get with current 3D.

The fact is, we have flat displays that emulate things in motion, be it recorded or rendered in real-time. Nobody is complaining about that. If you have at least one working eye, you can see in real life (at least motion parallax) and you can watch TV and play games perfectly OK. This very same person with one eye who can perceive depth and parallax in the real world cannot do so with current 3D being implemented. So, it's far from realistic, and ultimately, seriously flawed.

Personally, and I've said it before, I'd rather they focussed on giving us a better 2D image, because they haven't even got that good enough yet.

 

[Mr Latte]

Where can I order my "TokyoDrift Hates 3D" T-Shirt?

 

[TokyoDrift]

Where can I order my "TokyoDrift Hates 3D" T-Shirt?

I live in a 3D world, so have no hatred. I just think the gimmicky 3D they are implementing now is corporate-pushed trash. You can quote that on the t-shirt if you like.

 

[eSZee]

I live in a 3D world, so have no hatred. I just think the gimmicky 3D they are implementing now is corporate-pushed trash. You can quote that on the t-shirt if you like.

They have to start somewhere.

 

[TokyoDrift]

They have to start somewhere.

Aye, with decades old technology and a limited audience, great start.

 

[Mr Latte]

Aye, with decades old technology and a limited audience, great start.

Dual 1080p 120HZ with shutter technology glasses.
Yeah its old alright like about a month old 💡

Really mate, just tell us when your going to stop making an ass of yourself.
I dont even need 3D glasses to see that.

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

I personally can't understand the reasons for these anti 3D posts. I suspect the reasons are because they either cannot afford a new 3DTV, only recently purchased a HDTV, or due to delaying GT5.

Interesting though that I was in a conversation today about the GT5 release date and was told the 3D is nothing to do with the delay. Apparently there has been a licencing issue with Ferrari. Whether there is any truth in this statement I don't know.

I tell you what though if I won the Lotto tonight I would instantly go and pre-order the 60" Sony 3DTV.

 

[TokyoDrift]

Dual 1080p 120HZ with shutter technology glasses.
Yeah its old alright like about a month old 💡

Really mate, just tell us when your going to stop making an ass of yourself.
I dont even need 3D glasses to see that.

Whoopee, 1080p images, with shutter glasses so that each eye receives a different image. Yeah, that's a really new idea. It's a an old idea wrapped in new technology - that does not automatically make it amazing.

When people like you decide to let others have a differeing opinion that goes against what the majority are brainwashed into thinking, I might stop posting about it. Until then, or you report me for going against the AUP, I'll keep on posting my opinions, especially if you feel the need to keep on replying.

 

[eSZee]

Aye, with decades old technology and a limited audience, great start.

HDTVs didn't start with a limited audience? Same goes for CDs, DVDs, Blu Ray, HiFi, stereo, cars, planes. What technology started with an unlimited audience? People are always reluctant with new tech because it usually costs lots of money.
I'm not for 3D at the current time either because the implementation won't be appealing to me for a few years, but I'm not bashing it cause I have no 1st hand experience other than watching movies in a theater.
If it doesn't appeal to you and it doe doesn't concern you, why waste your energy on it?
Just relax. You're knowledgeable and I'd hate for you to get banned or something cause among your flaming anf banter, you make good points. Relax.

 

[CTznOfTime]

I totally agree - to be 3D means being able to look around and behind things. The 3D simulated on a screen is nothing like what you experience in real life.

In real life, we don't have things floating in front of us in mid-air, things that we cannot look around, which is exactly what you get with current 3D.

The fact is, we have flat displays that emulate things in motion, be it recorded or rendered in real-time. Nobody is complaining about that. If you have at least one working eye, you can see in real life (at least motion parallax) and you can watch TV and play games perfectly OK. This very same person with one eye who can perceive depth and parallax in the real world cannot do so with current 3D being implemented. So, it's far from realistic, and ultimately, seriously flawed.

3D technology still need to make a lot of progress before we can remove the glasses to "enjoy" it...

And until then, i feel that us looking at a 3D film/movie/game through the glasses, would feel the same way as a person with only one working/functioning eye would see reality...
So really what they are simulating at this point in time is for everyone of us to see a movie the way Captain Hook would see in real life... Great if you ask me.


Personally, i really dont feel the need to buy into the 3D technology at this point in time. I am not going to die without it. It's great for those who can afford it...

Anyways/ Anyhow... It's just frustrating that SONY/PD, for whatever reason they find next, to be postponing and delaying the release of GT5.

Technology will always advance, why dont they leave some improvements for GT6???


EDIT: TokyoDrift, chill man it's ok, we are all in the same frustrating boat being pushed around by the Sony waves...

 

[TokyoDrift]

HDTVs didn't start with a limited audience?

...

Just relax. You're knowledgeable and I'd hate for you to get banned or something cause among your flaming anf banter, you make good points. Relax.

Yeah, I kinda' meant in terms of being able to acually see the display as it was intended. Sure we have peope who are colour blind and only have the use of one eye, have one lazy eye, whatever, but all of those people live their life in 3D, yet they will not be able to enjoy the 3D that these TVs promise.

Anyways/ Anyhow... It's just frustrating that SONY/PD, for whatever reason they find next, to be postponing and delaying the release of GT5.

Technology will always advance, why dont they leave some improvements for GT6???

EDIT: TokyoDrift, chill man it's ok, we are all in the same frustrating boat being pushed around by the Sony waves...

Yep, you are right, it is very frustrating in relation to GT5, especially when practically nobody will be taking advantage of this feature in the beginning. Personally, I'm with you - they should have saved something back for GT6, and 3D would have been perfect for it, because despite what SONY think, GT5 running in 3D is not going to shift much more 3D-ready hardware than would have otherwise have been sold.

Thanks guys. This is TD, chilled, over and out

 

[SrRd RacinG]

Haha, I'd like to see you saying this in 2 or 3 years.

3d is kinda gimmicky at the moment but it's a pretty exciting development and I'm pretty sure it's here to stay. It'll get better integrated and more affordable pretty quickly imo.

Having said that, it's annoying to see GT5 now being delayed further to implement what is apparently still a flashy gimmick. As if GT5 hasn't been delayed enough already.

Oh, I'll likely be around. And I will likely say it again