Will someone please explain 3D!

[witham]

3d is clever from a technological view but it is only here to fill the gap between HD and HDX4 which comes out in late 2011-2012 and true 3D with no glasses called autostereoscopic.

I think half the problem is that due to lack of knowledge of the depth of technology they can sell you any thing even if is pointless e.g 600hz pure motion bla bla bla, my example here is that any rate over 200hz is pointless and makes no difference. YES 3D CAN LOOK GOOD im not a hater it has is uses like in war films at a cinema but must technology is a made up name for something that was found while trying to re design the wheel

 

[drivatar]

Interesting though that I was in a conversation today about the GT5 release date and was told the 3D is nothing to do with the delay. Apparently there has been a licencing issue with Ferrari. Whether there is any truth in this statement I don't know.

Is your source somehow credible?

 

[X-Power]

I'm really annoyed at Sony/PD delaying GT5 to install a gimmick that only around 5% of GT5 owners will use. 3D isn't that great anyway, I've watched Avatar in 3D and all it did was make my eyes feel weird after the film. If they are going to delay GT5 to implement every new tech that comes along, we will never get it!

PD/Sony, don't you think the game should be released by now?!

Regards,
A fed-up GT fan.

 

[H20HYBRID_GT]

This whole 3D thing with having to wear funny glasses doesn't make any sense imo.
Also remember GTA1 & 2 with that topdown view? That's 2D, but stuff like GT1, MGS1, etc was 3D already, so I really don't see the point in selling it as new yet again. (Besides films like Jaws, etc. where you had to wear stupid glasses aswell had it ages ago.)
So, yes it's just another way to get more money from uneducated customers like 800 Hz TVs...
That's cool with me, what's not cool is, if I have to wait for GT5 even longer because of that silly gimmick.

 

[Mr Latte]

Has anyone any proof that GT5 has been delayed soley for 3D and that if it were not for 3D the game would already be released?
Has it been announced and I missed it or are you guys just basing the delay on assumptions?

Ive researched 3D a lot in the last 6 months out of curiosity and have to say I have enjoyed some cinema releases with it and others not so much.
To be fair their are large communities that promote and hold it in high regards, maybe to a degree because they like it but I fail to see why it deserves to be attacked.

If you dont like 3D then fine you wont be effected. Anyone that buys a 3DTV will have the option to view content in 2D or 3D when available and they may even only use 3D occasionally.
The point is if they enjoy it or indeed grow to accept it more then they can, if they decide not to bother with it and watch in 2D all the time it wont matter.

I cant stand the attitude some of you have towards technology trying to offer something better and comparisons to previous 3D technologies can not be used to compare to shutter technology.
If you take that approach then is seems to be a bit pigheaded. What the hell is this comparing to reality, did you guys say if you want higher resolution or 1080p you should look out of a window.
What are some of you on? Totally pointless comments that make no sense.

Many of you went out and bought HDTVs yet in gaming its not a massive benifit, particulary the premium for 1080p until recently over 720p. Yet Im sure many of you just had to get 1080p.
Then weve had 100HZ 120HZ 200HZ 240HZ 400HZ 600HZ etc.

If you read into things more you will find and I can relate to the Panasonic 3DTV plasma that got best TV at CES in Jan that with the advent of 3D technology it has also made manufacturers increase performance in their TVs even for 2D. One example is the much faster response phosphers needed for 120HZ dual 1080p that 3D requires. This reduces phospher trails even in 2D viewing.

Video link detailing this here

On certain AV related forums Ive read a lot of people wanting to buy the 3DTV model for that particular reason of improving 2D picture and they maybe arnt even that caring like many here for 3D. Yet they are willing to see if indeed it does eventually begin to appeal to them more when increased 3D content becomes available.

 

[H20HYBRID_GT]

No there's no proof for 3D having delayed GT5 (I think?), but it seems very likely, hence I said "if"...
Should GT5 come shortly after those 3D ... TVs are released, I don't need much more proof tho then tbh.

BTW I don't say this new 3D thing is totally fail, just it's way too early (for GT5) to say it's worth it and just like 800Hz, I doubt it's any useful, other than bragging rights...

My opinion, but only time will tell.

 

[TokyoDrift]

Mr Latte, you say you can't stand the attitude of people who basically disagree with your views, attacking 3D. Well, hearing people moaning about other people moaning isn't exactly riveting either, especially when those other people often provide a valid argument for why they don't like something. These are forums, so just as you recently lectured me, stop having a go at people, telling them they are wrong and pigheaded just because you feel passionate about something.

You mention HDTVs and how a lot of us bought into them, and in some ways the analogy is fair. Yes, I am one of those early adopters of 1080p, partly because I was just in the market for a new TV at the time, and partly because I use my display as a PC screen for my small NetTop. 1080p offered me a higher resolution panel for that, as well as some better image processing. However, I have to disagree and say that 720p IS a massive benefit for gaming, and movies alike. 1080p is not such a big leap over 720p in those regards, but certain games like GT5P, with lots of lines and edge detail on cars, do benefit.

However, in the way that HDTV benefited my games, movies, and PC use over standard def, please explain how 3D is going to offer me such benefits. The fact is, it won't, apart from maybe the panel benefitting from a higher refresh rate, better contrast, colour, brightness etc. As I've said before, a better quality, higher resolution panel is worth far more to me than some image floating unrealistically in front of the screen. If 3D helps facilitate better panel development as a result, great.

For me, 3D will have arrived when we don't need to wear glasses, and are able to look around and behind things. If that's wrong of me, so be it. If that view annoys people like you Mr Latte, so be it.

 

[Invictus321]

I will take the time to remind everyone here that PD have already confirmed Head Tracking in GT5.

We will likely have BOTH the head tracking "Look-around-stuff" 3D and the Stereoscopic 3D.

Sounds pretty freaking cool to me.

https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5s-head-tracking-explained/

Aye, with decades old technology and a limited audience, great start.

Perhaps the fact that 3D has persisted as a gimmick for all those decades, indicates that it may be able to become mainstream.

Wake up to the fact that Sony is a corporation, and their only real concern is profit. If Sony and Hollywood market 3D like they are, people WILL buy it, and it WILL become mainstream. They have been selling this stuff for years, they know what people will buy (except maybe you, Tokyodrift), and apparently right now its 3D.

Besides, why does anyone need HD TV? So we can see the horribly concealed wrinkles on our beloved Bold And The Beautiful stars? Its all pointless technology that we don't need, just WANT.

 

[Kryz11]

Anyone knows the SONY 3D TVs will cost? around 32 inch?

 

[Mr Latte]

This isnt an argument....

Regards 1080p being a massive benifit for gaming and in that I refer to PS3.
By all means and tell us how many games really benifit 1080p and how that is massive benifit.

I personally tried 720p & 1080p on various games on two projectors I once owned using a 80" screen for comparing and the differences are not in games particulary PS3 games to the level you gain from movies. Jaggies on GT5P (yes the game youve played for 5 hours) even in 1080p are VERY aparent. This is partly to do with the game using 2xAA in 1080 mode and 4xAA in 720 mode. Further to this the 1080p mode in game is not FULL HD but the only difference over 720p is the vertical resolution being 360 lines of resolution higher. The 1280 horizontal is the same in both 1080p or 720p It is also a reason why the games jaggies are virtually no different in either mode in the horizontal plane (number plates / door pillars in shadows) if anything the added AA in 720p mode may help. Differences in the quality of the hardware scaling and the quality of the two projectors were taken into account with yes the 1080 model having other advantages in general picture quality and shadow detail but then again what do I know youve studied this extensively right?

So 1080p a massive benifit in PS3 games, I disagree based on personal testing and not assumption.

'fraid so... The principle of "stereoscopy" is exactly the same, just using polarizing shutter glasses instead of red and green filters to make each eye see a different image.

Far from the actual truth, New technology has several advantages, colour performance more stable image and faster refresh with the ability of full 1080p resolution per eye.
The various forms of glasses over the years and indeed the technical performance of shutter glasses can vary a lot and have a major effect on the end result.

Funny how Blitz187 calls it a gimmick. The same can be said of the pseudo-3DTVs needing glasses. Images don't float in front of me in real life, so how does such a thing translate to anything other than gimmicky?

3DTV is not all about things floating, its to give added immersion, depth, height, distance and occasional pop out effects

Aye, with decades old technology and a limited audience, great start.

Again its not decades old technology, its new. Limited audience, mmm I read Best Buy sold out of Panasonic 3D sets in the first week.

Whoopee, 1080p images, with shutter glasses so that each eye receives a different image. Yeah, that's a really new idea. It's a an old idea wrapped in new technology - that does not automatically make it amazing.

When people like you decide to let others have a differeing opinion that goes against what the majority are brainwashed into thinking, I might stop posting about it. Until then, or you report me for going against the AUP, I'll keep on posting my opinions, especially if you feel the need to keep on replying.

Still you persist with a big Whoopee. I will allow people to give an opinion but for you to state things that are technically incorrect they need adressed. If you were even being remotely fair in your opinion to take into account many factors including waiting to we get more ideas of just how good or indeed how bad these TV will be. Many reports from tradeshows are promising but again you seem to know best regardless and have concluded its rubbish.

Yeah, I kinda' meant in terms of being able to acually see the display as it was intended. Sure we have peope who are colour blind and only have the use of one eye, have one lazy eye, whatever, but all of those people live their life in 3D, yet they will not be able to enjoy the 3D that these TVs promise.

Why are you and several others trying to draw a comparison to real life and 3D? Has somebody said that 3D is trying to sell itself as REAL unless its some daft commericial?

Yep, you are right, it is very frustrating in relation to GT5, especially when practically nobody will be taking advantage of this feature in the beginning. Personally, I'm with you - they should have saved something back for GT6, and 3D would have been perfect for it, because despite what SONY think, GT5 running in 3D is not going to shift much more 3D-ready hardware than would have otherwise have been sold.

Nobody will be taking advantage of it in the beginning?
GT5 running 3D is not going to shift more 3D TVs?

Regards the UK and US is likely almost £-$ value.
Considering these prices I very much disagree with your comments....

Samsung 40" 3DTV
LE40C750 7 Series 40" LCD TV 1080p 200Hz 4HDMI 3D Freeview HD - Black
Currently available online for £948

Samsung PS50C7000 / Slim 50" 3DTV Plasma
Currently available online for £1299.00

* 3D glasses extra on these models but packs available

Your very much aware of the money some people have already spent on GT in the past. According to you then people are not going to be interested in upgrading their TVs to enjoy not only GT5 in 3D or indeed free 3D Blu Ray support from PS3? Take again the UK into account Sky will be showing the Premiership in3D next season with no additional cost for fullpackage users. I suppose thats another reason people wont buy a 3DTV over a 2D one. Youve also made comments in a seperate thread like youd laugh if GT was delayed. Im sure people dont really appreciate reading that, again you trying to cause rows? Actually Id laugh if GT5 in 3D was excellent, offering a really good new exprience and tbh if it is good it would encourage me to get a 3DTV in all honesty.

Ive got a 40" Bravia I paid over 2K for as it was the first Bravia model in the UK. So yeah Im an early adopter of HDTV. Like many people Im due to upgrade and if anything other than for futureproof reasons maybe a 3D model is the best thing to purchase just incase it does really take off. Then I wont miss out and I could enjoy GT5 not only in 2D over triple screens but 3D as well. Yes I have a genuine interest in enjoying the game in a great way and I kinda like the idea that this 3D might not be so bad, as some people without any proof make out.

Why should I doubt 3DTV to not deliver something close to what it does in the cinema. If it does that in the comfort of my own home then Id be quite happy with 3D but then I dont expect it to represent real life or to have things always floating like how you have been commenting on. Nor does it do this let you see around stuff with your stupid remarks, it just 3D man.


You see Im trying to accept 3D for what it is not what it isnt.

For the record of people attacking PD/Sony for 3D.
Sony are not the only ones pushing 3D and if they didnt take it onboard then would it be better for them or indeed us consumers?
Superb that they have this 3D as a way of seperating it further from X360 offering a further technical advantage so great on them to actually offer this at the very beginning as new 3DTVs become available. Personally I applaud them.

 

[Invictus321]

Anyone knows the SONY 3D TVs will cost? around 32 inch?

Theres no 3D models below 40 inch as far as i know

 

[Mr Latte]

Anyone knows the SONY 3D TVs will cost? around 32 inch?

Actually at present the only 32" I am aware of was announced by Phillips.
Its a stupid price though and LED.

The Samsung Slim Plasmas look to be amongst the more affordable sets avilable. Reviews on some of the models should be appearing in the usual places pretty soon.

Hope its some help.

 

[machschnel]

Has anyone any proof that GT5 has been delayed soley for 3D and that if it were not for 3D the game would already be released?
Has it been announced and I missed it or are you guys just basing the delay on assumptions?

'We can release Gran Turismo 5 any time'

Kazunori Yamauchi, E3 2009
So why the year wait when it was "ready" a year ago? Oh, 3D.

you dont like 3D then fine you wont be effected.

Wrong. As mentioned above GT5 has been delayed for 3D - no if's or but's about it. Therefore, I am effected, I've been waiting a year for a game that was "ready". I don't think any of us hate 3D, we just love Gran Turismo, and have waited long enough that we deserve to have a whinge when the game is delayed for technology 90% of us won't use. You enjoy it though.

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

Theres no 3D models below 40 inch as far as i know

According to the Sony website their will only be two models 40", 60". The 40" costs £2000, 60" £3500.

I tell you what also excites me with this TVs is the way you can connect these to your network via wi-fi.

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

Wrong. As mentioned above GT5 has been delayed for 3D - no if's or but's about it. Therefore, I am effected, I've been waiting a year for a game that was "ready". I don't think any of us hate 3D, we just love Gran Turismo, and have waited long enough that we deserve to have a whinge when the game is delayed for technology 90% of us won't use. You enjoy it though.

I certainly share your frustration because im unlikely to play GT5 in 3D. However im also a realist and fully understand why Sony are doing this. What I feel will happen is Sony will use GT5 3D as the killer application to highlight the capabilities of the PS3, Sony 3DTVS thus hoping to increase the sales of all 3.

I will add that im only unlikely to play GT5 in 3D due to cost of the TVs. I have nothing against 3D and feel this adds a whole new exciting dimension to TVs. I will probably be playing GT5 in 3D in around 3yrs time.

Like i've repeatedly said if Sony turn up at E3 with GT5 running in 3D then MS might aswell not bother turning up. I feel Sony are going to own E3 this year.

 

[TokyoDrift]

Regards 1080p being a massive benifit for gaming and in that I refer to PS3. By all means and tell us how many games really benifit 1080p and how that is massive benifit.

I personally tried 720p & 1080p on various games on two projectors I once owned using a 80" screen for comparing and the differences are not in games particulary PS3 games to the level you gain from movies. Jaggies on GT5P (yes the game youve played for 5 hours) even in 1080p are VERY aparent. This is partly to do with the game using 2xAA in 1080 mode and 4xAA in 720 mode. Further to this the 1080p mode in game is not FULL HD but the only difference over 720p is the vertical resolution being 360 lines of resolution higher. The 1280 horizontal is the same in both 1080p or 720p It is also a reason why the games jaggies are virtually no different in either mode in the horizontal plane (number plates / door pillars in shadows) if anything the added AA in 720p mode may help. Differences in the quality of the hardware scaling and the quality of the two projectors were taken into account with yes the 1080 model having other advantages in general picture quality and shadow detail but then again what do I know youve studied this extensively right?

So 1080p a massive benifit in PS3 games, I disagree based on personal testing and not assumption.

Before I start, the level of "interest" you seem to be taking in my posts lately is not healthy. Anyway, let me remind you what you said originally:

Many of you went out and bought HDTVs yet in gaming its not a massive benifit

Wrong. HDTV (over SDTV) is most definitely a massive benefit.

particulary the premium for 1080p until recently over 720p

To which I predominantly agreed, so what's you problem? You seem to want to read into things and pick fault for the sake of arguing. Remind you of a similar statement you made against me recently? Pot calling the kettle black here. Read my post again and you will see at no point did I say 1080p is always a massive benefit in PS3 games.

To coin a phrase from somebody else recently, who are you to tell me what I can/cannot see on my equipment? In our house we have a 40" 720p BRAVIA D3000 and a 46" 1080p BRAVIA X3000. In 720p mode, GT5P looks basically the same on both TVs. However, in 1080p mode, there is a noticeable increase in image clarity (less shimmer and jaggies). You can quote facts and personal experiences at me all you like, and no, I didn't study it extensively (don't recall saying I did) - I just had to use my own two eyes, while not perfect 20:20, are adequate enough.

Now, may I suggest you listen to some of your own advice instead of acting like Lord Hypocrite? Such are the pitfalls when you decide to lecture people. There you were, telling me off for "having a go" at people and telling them how things are or should be, yet here you are, "having a go" at me and telling me how things are or should be. Perfect example:

Nor does it do this let you see around stuff with your stupid remarks

I find it highly amusing that you see fit to lecture me about my conduct towards other members, yet here you are, calling my views and opinions stupid. I don't recall telling anybody they, or their comments, were stupid. Besides, what is so stupid about wanting the ability to be able to look around and behind things in an image? That's how things work in the real world when I move my head about, so why not have that emulated on-screen? As I said, that is something I'd be interested in. If you cannot handle the fact that some people are not bothered about current 3D tech, regardless of reason, that's your problem.

Anyway, you clearly have a personal issue with me, which is why I have asked you on two occassions now to take things to PM. You completely ignored me, and even decided to resort to dishing out insults and writing in a condescending manner. I wouldn't mind, but you are being a total hypocrite, acting in the manner in which you seemingly disapprove of.

If you want to get reported, keep this up in the public forums. Otherwise, for the third time, take it to PM. Even better, let's just give it up already, have a , and move on.

 

[[UK] ANDYW]

</RANT>

3D TV Explanation:

You have to bin (trash) your perfectly good 2D HDTV, bend over, and let Mr Sony shaft you for thousands, maybe millions of monies (depending on currency)

In return you can enjoy 3D tv on your own, while your friends point and laugh as you sit in the corner, wearing sunglasses indoors, ducking and diving at objects 'popping' out of the tv at you - which they cannot see - in 3D at least.

Unless your friends also bend over for Mr Sony and get serviced by their money collecting monkeys - because their Samsung super 3D specs wont work with your Sony super 3D v1.0742​

</RANT>

Watch me eat humble pie when I actually try a 3D tv

 

[Myansie]

GT5 is going to be an amazing experience in 3D.

Having a sense of depth will give so much more feel to the weight of the car coming into corners. Combined with the head tracking it`s going to be pretty amazing and new.

With regards to Witham`s claim that stereoscopy is only effective within 20 feet is actually not true.

We do certainly have a sweetspot in that distance, but you can see depth beyond. You only have to look outside for proof. Still we are playing in a computer world and in this place we can alter the interocular distance. If you push the cameras apart you will exaggerate depth. If you go to far you will make it feel like a go-cart track, so realism will still play a part. With Nvidia`s 3D vision you can tweak this setting yourself.

TokyoDrift`s constant claims of pseudo 3D come off as a bit trollish to me. Our brains perceive 3D by combining two 2D images. One from each eye. The idea of using two lenses is to mimic our own eyes.

As for parallax viewing being 3D? It helps depth perception, but so do lighting and perspective. It`s going to be fantastic in games. Headtracking is looking to be one of the coolest innovations this generation, up there with 3D, certainly. In the film world, though, I totally disagree. Avatar 2 or 3 won`t be touching parallax via head movement (directors and cinematographers already exploit this through camera tracking, dollying handheld etc).

48 frames per second is the next big step in cinema after 3D. Judder is 3D`s biggest problem.

 

[JDMKING13]

Man after reading all these post i cannot understand why people are so mad about 3D 1st of all nobody is forcing us to buy these 3DTV If you want one get it if you dont, dont buy it. I can understand if GT5 was only available on 3D but its not. People who can afford it prob will have a great time with it people who cant still will gave a great time playing GT. What ever makes playing GT better I'm all down for. I will not be buying a 3D TV, but Im not going to call it stupid, I'm pretty sure SONY knows what they are doing.

 

[Mr Latte]

TD
Ive had a couple of pretty stressfull days and yes I guess youve had part of the brunt of that.

Tokyo you need not worry about my level of interest in your posts from here on in.
In future I will ignore any posts you make that get me fired up.

Your attitude towards 3D has been very much condemn it regardless. Id rather give it the benifit of the doubt and look at it with interest even with the possibility it wont be as effective on small screens within the home. So much talk here with little proof or user experience hardly assures anyone that people criticising it are being fair.

Regards 1080p. You are welcome to prove to people via photos how amazingly better 1080p is over 720p regards PS3 games. Many would likely agree its not a massive benifit at all for PS3 games and is overrated particulary as its not even Full HD but in PS3 games is exactly only 1.5x the resolution of 720p.

I bet if you walked into a shop with many TVs and from a typical viewing distance you couldnt tell corectly point out what games were being displayed in 720 or 1080p as many cant.

We need not coninue this further...
I will evaluate 3D performance/experience based on its performance and not beforehand. If its crap well then I know not to buy into it, if its as good as the cinema I will definately buy into it.

 

[TokyoDrift]

TD
Ive had a couple of pretty stressfull days and yes I guess youve had part of the brunt of that.

Tokyo you need not worry about my level of interest in your posts from here on in.
In future I will ignore any posts you make that get me fired up.

Your attitude towards 3D has been very much condemn it regardless. Id rather give it the benifit of the doubt and look at it with interest even with the possibility it wont be as effective on small screens within the home. So much talk here with little proof or user experience hardly assures anyone that people criticising it are being fair.

Regards 1080p. You are welcome to prove to people via photos how amazingly better 1080p is over 720p regards PS3 games. Many would likely agree its not a massive benifit at all for PS3 games and is overrated particulary as its not even Full HD but in PS3 games is exactly only 1.5x the resolution of 720p.

I bet if you walked into a shop with many TVs and from a typical viewing distance you couldnt tell corectly point out what games were being displayed in 720 or 1080p as many cant.

We need not coninue this further...
I will evaluate 3D performance/experience based on its performance and not beforehand. If its crap well then I know not to buy into it, if its as good as the cinema I will definately buy into it.

Fair enough, we all have bad days.

But no, if you are happy to chat about things rationally, I'm happy to reply. Now, I never said that 1080p was amazingly better than 720p regarding GT5P or any other game. I really do wish you'd stop making things up and twisting what I say, because you only serve to further discredit yourself ever more. I said that in the case of GT5P, IN MY HOME SETTING, WITH TV'S THAT WE OWN, 1080p (1.5x or whatever) looks better than 720p. I don't need to prove anything to anybody. I also agreed that for the most part, 1080p is overrated and does not look significantly better than 720p. Honestly, why do you always seem to want to fight it out and turn the argument into something that it's not? Chill out for just one day eh?

As for 3D, you have at it, and I hope you enjoy it. I just know that based on my experience with it at the cinema and theme parks, it's a gimmick on the path to a better technology.

 

[[UK] ANDYW]

Man after reading all these post i cannot understand why people are so mad about 3D...

You're quite right, it's consumer choice, but I'm angry about 3D TV's because I'm sure it's why GT5 no longer has a release date, and in my personal opinion, it will offer little benefit to the final product - even then, only the 5% who get chance to see it in 3D.

I often wonder why VR Headsets dont exist today - they were all the rage in the 'tech scene' about 10 years ago, and now we actually have near photo realistic graphics and microchips/projectors/batteries small enough to make a light-weight headset, they're nowhere to be seen.

Being able to move your head over your shoulder to see the car beside you would be incredible!!!

Head tracking could be a step toward this, but very limited.

 

[JDMKING13]

You're quite right, it's consumer choice, but I'm angry about 3D TV's because I'm sure it's why GT5 no longer has a release date, and in my personal opinion, it will offer little benefit to the final product - even then, only the 5% who get chance to see it in 3D.

I often wonder why VR Headsets dont exist today - they were all the rage in the 'tech scene' about 10 years ago, and now we actually have near photo realistic graphics and microchips/projectors/batteries small enough to make a light-weight headset, they're nowhere to be seen.

Being able to move your head over your shoulder to see the car beside you would be incredible!!!

Head tracking could be a step toward this, but very limited.

That i can live with though buddy if 3D is the reason GT5 was delayed i can see people being upset. But what I'm getting from reading all these post is that people just say 3D is stupid and a waste of time. If Sony is trying to better themselves as a company you cant get mad at that. If 3D TV are going to make them more money how can anybody be upset. Thats the point to get more money. I am dying for GT5 to come out, but at the same time i can understand Sony trying to better their company. Nice reply though

 

[TokyoDrift]

I often wonder why VR Headsets dont exist today - they were all the rage in the 'tech scene' about 10 years ago, and now we actually have near photo realistic graphics and microchips/projectors/batteries small enough to make a light-weight headset, they're nowhere to be seen.

I'm sure such technology today would be much better, but I remember back in the day somebody I knew had an opportunity to try a VR Headset, and they said it made them feel really nauseous after just a few minutes - he described it like being totally realistic in term of the image changing in relation to your head, but at the same time, unrealistic (if that makes sense!), almost conflicting with what you brain sees vs what it expects to see. I had no such luck in being able to try out that particlar piece of tech.

 

[JDMKING13]

I'm sure such technology today would be much better, but I remember back in the day somebody I knew had an opportunity to try a VR Headset, and they said it made them feel really nauseous after just a few minutes - he described it like being totally realistic in term of the image changing in relation to your head, but at the same time, unrealistic (if that makes sense!), almost conflicting with what you brain sees vs what it expects to see. I had no such luck in being able to try out that particlar piece of tech.

LOL damn i dont want to be nuaseous playing GT5

 

[TokyoDrift]

LOL damn i dont want to be nuaseous playing GT5

Haha, no, these VR headsets were totally immersive - small screens right in front of your eyes. Very different to the 3D being implemented today, although that too can have similar side effects in a lot of people.

 

[[UK] ANDYW]

I'm sure such technology today would be much better, but I remember back in the day somebody I knew had an opportunity to try a VR Headset, and they said it made them feel really nauseous after just a few minutes - he described it like being totally realistic in term of the image changing in relation to your head, but at the same time, unrealistic (if that makes sense!), almost conflicting with what you brain sees vs what it expects to see. I had no such luck in being able to try out that particlar piece of tech.

Ahhh thats right, I think I saw an article in New Scientist about the nausea thing... I suppose it would be dis-orienting without a physical environment to touch as well..

Shame though..

 

[Mr Latte]

That i can live with though buddy if 3D is the reason GT5 was delayed i can see people being upset. But what I'm getting from reading all these post is that people just say 3D is stupid and a waste of time. If Sony is trying to better themselves as a company you cant get mad at that. If 3D TV are going to make them more money how can anybody be upset. Thats the point to get more money. I am dying for GT5 to come out, but at the same time i can understand Sony trying to better their company. Nice reply though

Yes money is likely ALOT to do with it and Ive asked before is GT5 to Sony more than just another game release or part of something bigger?

GT was shown at JAN CES 2009 in 3D.
So we know they have been developing it within the game for quite sometime. Its not something they decided to add in at the end of last year which I feel some think is what happened, a late desicion last minute or the reason for the delay.
Not sure if people have forgotten about "Damage" which if anything could still effect the delays. However if 3D was being implemented 2 years ago Sony themselves didnt know in 2008 when 3DTV would actually hit the market. They actually didnt even know late last year when the industry standard had to of been agreed and the 3D blu ray association spec was confirmed.

So if these things delayed all brands of 3DTVs hitting the market and taking into account Sony may indeed promote 3DTV using GT5 then development of 3D within the game isnt likely the issue but possibly Sony being one of the last major companies getting their 3DTVs to market.
Its now 6 years since Sony has made profit on their TVs so I can understand their wanting to take their time with this 3D and how they market it.

PS3 will play it seems a vital role in 3Ds chances of success as Move/3DGames/3D Blu ray and possible future 3D downloads are all part of Sonys plans for the machine and to promote 3DTV sales.

 

[Spagetti69]

3d is a way of making ones wallet lighter.

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

Man after reading all these post i cannot understand why people are so mad about 3D 1st of all nobody is forcing us to buy these 3DTV If you want one get it if you dont, dont buy it..

The real truth is probably because very few of us can afford a new 3DTV. Also some are probably annoyed that they have only just purchased a HDTV and yet within months we're going to see 3DTVs. Instead of being honest they prefer to call 3D a gimmick.

I remain open minded and won't pass judgement until i've actually seen these TVs in action.